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[Ultor84]

I don't see continuing this as a helpful exercise. I'll just say that I agree to disagree.



Some people think a change of size(though admittedly not knowing the full extent of the size difference), lack of artist signature, and limited numbering are a reasonable differences. Others feel the differences should also also difference in material if not also visual quality, if it should happen at all. Thats about it, really.

[erik212]

I've been against this idea since its first conception, and I still am. I guess it doesn't matter now though. I would say inb4crysomemore, but I'm too late...

[cheesetogo]

I find it interesting that almost nobody voiced their opposition in the original thread.

[havoc373]

personaly i am more interested in an art book rather than these smaller litho's but i'm not against them in the slightest

[cheesetogo]

Just watch eBay for the art book. I picked one up for $10.50 a few days ago.

[ilikeicehockey]

cheesetogo wrote...

I find it interesting that almost nobody voiced their opposition in the original thread.

I did.

[havoc373]

cheesetogo wrote...

Just watch eBay for the art book. I picked one up for $10.50 a few days ago.

i meant a Mass Effect 2 Full size hardcover artbook like the one they released for mass effect 1.
i already have the Art of Mass Effect, now i want The Art of Mass Effect 2
i already have all books containing mass effect 2 artwork sections. but nothing like a full blown artbook like the one for ME1.

i recently saw jed stating something about working on a re-print of an art book. i sincerely hope he meant an artbook for ME2

[Tennyochan]

i really supported the idea, except the size.(being 'mini') the smaller the reprint i think the paperweight should be standard/heavier(A4-A3ish).



if their thinking of doing anything larger than A3(A2) i would think the paperweight would be something perhaps equivalent to a poster-print or a bit heavier. but than again i wouldn't consider that being a 'mini'....

[Tocquevillain]

ilikeicehockey wrote...

Neither should Bioware be responsible for making minis for the people that missed out on the originals. It's your fault that you missed the sale of the originals. It can go both ways too my friend. 

No, it really can't. Let's go back to Econ 101 for a second and then review your quote. Bioware is selling product to make money. Bioware doesn't have to be "responsible" to fans. They're a business. They're doing it to make money because there is demand. I said that if Bioware put out reproductions of the lithos, I'd pay for them. That's money in their pocket, not yours or whoever else decides to sell their sold out lithograph for hundreds on eBay. That's a powerful incentive for them; any talk of "responsibility" is just silly.

[erik212]

While capitalism is about maximizing profit, they do have a responsibility (which they have respected) with regard to signed lithos. I was figuring that it was only a matter of time before they exploited the market for second edition lithos. One can argue that they are preserving their sell value of lithos by restricting them, but you don't see them increasing it to much higher levels.

[Tocquevillain]

erik212 wrote...

While capitalism is about maximizing profit, they do have a responsibility (which they have respected) with regard to signed lithos. I was figuring that it was only a matter of time before they exploited the market for second edition lithos. One can argue that they are preserving their sell value of lithos by restricting them, but you don't see them increasing it to much higher levels.

Yes, everything you've said I thought everyone understood implicitly. The lithographs are different, hence they are...well, different.

[DukeOfNukes]

I think what we should all take away from this is...BioWare could get away with charging much more for their lithos, and getting rid of set numbers for the "collector" ones (merely sell them until they don't sell anymore)...but they choose to keep them at an affordable 30 bucks and produce 3-500.



I might have to bite my tongue when they announce the price of this pack, but so far they've been reasonable.

[killbot92]

I think this is a great idea. I know others like me found these lithos late in the game and don't want to spend a small fortune on eBay. I just want the images to display. The fact that some might be worth something is all good an well. But, I think the purpose of these is for people to be able to enjoy them.



If you love these enough and want to spend the money on eBay that's fine too. But, I don't think it's right to say that others shouldn't have the right to own these just because you decided to pay a lot more and don't want to lose value. If you bought them to display then it doesn't really matter if they lose some value. However, if you are buying these to store in a closet in hopes that you can sell them for a lot more than you paid then I think you are missing the point. There are better ways to invest your money if that's your goal.



Just my $.02

[dbond1138]

The art world is a funny place, and a group and society I very often disagree with. As an artist myself, I believe art should be enjoyed and cherished. I personally think this a great idea. I understand, to an extent, why some of you are upset, but if you've bought these lithographs because you enjoy them as works of art and you like seeing them displayed, why do you seek to deprive others of that opportunity? Unless someday down the road you hope to see them jump in value and sell them to the highest bidder, I don't understand the logic.

Why are we a society that is so focused on the idea of "I have it, and you don't." I think these lithographs are great and I love the ones that I've purchased. I'm happy that other people that didn't get opportunity to pick some of these up will be able to enjoy them as well.

Modifié par dbond1138, 26 août 2010 - 07:23 .

[Tentura]

dbond1138 wrote...
Why are we a society that is so focused on the idea of "I have it, and you don't." I think these lithographs are great and I love the ones that I've purchased. I'm happy that other people that didn't get opportunity to pick some of these up with be able to enjoy them as well. 

Simply stated - and perfectly describes how I feel, as well.  I plan on displaying and enjoying the lithos and other art I own on my walls for a long, long time.  I selected these pieces because I love to look at them, not because of a value others place on them.  I feel grateful that I had the opportunity to snag the Normandy, which sold so quickly and I wanted so much.  My opinion is that having my piece signed and actually touched by the artist is the true distinction of owning one of these 'limited' prints.  An unsigned copy is not the same in my mind, so I just can't understand how it is so terrible to release minis.  Especially since they are not even the same size.

I am glad that with the minis others will be able to enjoy this fantastic art, too.  Many fans here on the forums missed the Normandy (and other lithos) release - and I don't presume to think that they didn't deserve one as much as me.  These were people at work without computer access, in different time zones asleep, on vacation, sick ... who knows what else.  Maybe someone who has never played ME before will pick up the games tomorrow and fall in love with them... and say, 'hey, I'd like a picture of the Normandy on my wall.'  Whatever the situation, these fans would probably adore a mini-litho, and I can't think of any logical reason to deny them the same enjoyment I get from mine.

...just another two cents worth.  I hesitated to post at first, but now I regret not throwing in my opinion sooner; I tend to fall into lurk-dom too readily.

Modifié par Tentura, 26 août 2010 - 04:16 .

[erik212]

Well, in an ideal world the "I have it and you don't" ideology wouldn't exist, but it's an inherent human behavior to seek superiority over others, or feel exclusive ("in the club.") Some can disengage themselves from this and overcome it, but the majority (including me) like the feeling of having something not many others have, and likely never will have. It's a way we seek to think of ourselves (and individual humans) as differentiated from the general population.

Sure, we're talking about some post release videogame art that all but a very small subgroup of gamers (and people who appreciate art (or like to flip them on ebay)) will ever know existed, but it still applies. It is selfish, and in a better world it wouldn't happen. It's even funny to think that this is happening with such an insignificant topic (in the grand scheme of things), and I'm sure many people would like to forfeit this behavior, but like it or not I don't see it every going away without a major paradigm shift in human cognition.

Sorry if I come off like a jerk, but it's just what I've observed about my own behavior and that of others. I'm not trying to put down the artistic value of any artwork from Bioware or elsewhere, and I do love just staring at my lithos because they look so good, but I'd be lying if I told you that a signed litho and an unsigned one hold the same personal (not monetary) value to me. Am I just misunderstanding the discussion?

Oh, and this post is pretty much completely off topic, but I'm just feeling a bit introspective this evening.

Modifié par erik212, 26 août 2010 - 05:13 .

[cheesetogo]

I have to agree with Tentura and dbond. And I've now spent over $1000 tracking down some of the lithographs that I missed.

Modifié par cheesetogo, 26 août 2010 - 05:02 .

[killbot92]

Any info on when these will be released?

[Tennyochan]

on the main site/flash, its been updated. says Sep 1

squeee Illium! :wub:

edit: i think i've been spending an unhealthy amount at the bioware store
then come the plushis and garrus tee and me hoodie.  oh god

Modifié par tennyochan, 31 août 2010 - 12:42 .

[Dan Matrix]

I just wish they didn't do a pack sale, I already have 2 full size Omegas. I have no interest what so ever in a mini Omega but I guess I have no choice in order too get Illium.

Modifié par Dan Matrix, 31 août 2010 - 01:05 .

[SIim Charles]

That's a bit pricier than I was hoping for...

[Tennyochan]

^agreed. i thought it would be $40 for a set of 4 x.x (or $20 for 2)

[ilikeicehockey]

they also downsized it a bit from the original 13x19 they were thinking of

[Tennyochan]

^i think because i was btiching to much
LOL

*dont hate *

[killbot92]

I just noticed that. Thanks for the post.

I was lucky enough to get a free Omega. But, I'm certainly not going to complain. I want Illium. I hope they do a Citadel/Minuteman pack next.



I don't know, $30 doesn't seem too bad for 2 smaller size.



Are these supposed to be limited run also? Or, are they something that will be restocked?