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[Wolverfrog]

So I've hardened Alistair, and the Landsmeet is coming up. I've managed to convince Alistair and Anora that getting married is the best idea, and now I've decided that I want to induct Loghain to the Grey Wardens so he can become a matyr killing the Archdemon and die honourably.

I've heard that if you do this Alistair leaves your party. However, if he's hardened and still marries Anora, do the two of you remain friends?

Yeah, I often worry about petty things like that. It'd be nice to know, though.

[KnightofPhoenix]

He is mad at you, even when hardened and king. Though it is believed that if Loghain dies afterwards, he might be less mad. If he doesn't, I suspect Alistair will continue to dislike you.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 août 2010 - 11:32 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

He gets pretty mad initially, but during the epilogue, he seems to have gotten over it, if Loghain becomes AD snack food.

[Giggles_Manically]

While it may not indicate much, since its in Awakening, Alistair seems to have gotten over it by then.



Also I think he has gotten over a lot of it, by the time of the Coronation, he may still be mad but I think some of it is fading by then.

[Estelindis]

You can end the game on non-hostile terms, though Alistair is still a bit miffed. He forgives you in general if you let Loghain die, but if you and Loghain are still alive at the end of the game he remains quite angry.

[Sarah1281]

If you let Loghain live through the battle then Alistair can see Loghain from where he's standing during the coronation. The conversation would probably go better if the pair were in a different room, at least. As Loghain gets sent off to Orlais should he live, that should calm Alistair down.

[TJPags]

Yea, Alistair pretty much don't wanna know you if you let Loghain live . . . not a very forgiving guy.

[Wolverfrog]

This is a bit of a Catch-22, isn't it?



Curse Bioware and their ability to make characters you care about.

[TJPags]

Wolverfrog wrote...

This is a bit of a Catch-22, isn't it?

Curse Bioware and their ability to make characters you care about.

I know, right?

Make myself happy by killing Loghain, or make myself happy by losing Alistair . . . . how to choose????????

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

TJPags wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

This is a bit of a Catch-22, isn't it?

Curse Bioware and their ability to make characters you care about.

I know, right?

Make myself happy by killing Loghain, or make myself happy by losing Alistair . . . . how to choose????????

You can have your cake and eat it too.

[TJPags]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

This is a bit of a Catch-22, isn't it?

Curse Bioware and their ability to make characters you care about.

I know, right?

Make myself happy by killing Loghain, or make myself happy by losing Alistair . . . . how to choose????????

You can have your cake and eat it too.

Letting him die a hero doesn't have quite the same satisfaction as beheading him in disgrace. 

[Sarah1281]

TJPags wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

This is a bit of a Catch-22, isn't it?

Curse Bioware and their ability to make characters you care about.

I know, right?

Make myself happy by killing Loghain, or make myself happy by losing Alistair . . . . how to choose????????

You can have your cake and eat it too.

Letting him die a hero doesn't have quite the same satisfaction as beheading him in disgrace. 

If you believe that killing the Archdemon literally destroys your soul as Riordan says then wouldn't it be worse for Logahin to let him die a hero and cease to exist entirely? 

[TJPags]

Sarah1281 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

This is a bit of a Catch-22, isn't it?

Curse Bioware and their ability to make characters you care about.

I know, right?

Make myself happy by killing Loghain, or make myself happy by losing Alistair . . . . how to choose????????

You can have your cake and eat it too.

Letting him die a hero doesn't have quite the same satisfaction as beheading him in disgrace. 

If you believe that killing the Archdemon literally destroys your soul as Riordan says then wouldn't it be worse for Logahin to let him die a hero and cease to exist entirely? 

First, that assumes I agree that people have a soul.

Second, I'm more of an in the moment guy.  So, the take his head off as he stands there in disgrace is much better than the rational but his soul is destroyed theory.

Besides, in the eyes of the world, he kills the archdemon, he's a hero again.  I don't want him to be a hero.

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont kill Loghain since, Riordian, you know the guy with 20 times the experience you or alistair have, the one who was tortured by Loghain, and one who lost many friends at Ostagar tells me to stop.

While Alistair may not like it, thats his problem.
Besides souls exist in DA thats a fact in that universe, while you many not believe they exist HERE, they do exist in Thedas.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 24 août 2010 - 02:30 .

[TJPags]

Giggles_Manically wrote...


I dont kill Loghain since, Riordian, you know the guy with 20 times the experience you or alistair have, the one who was tortured by Loghain, and one who lost many friends at Ostagar tells me to stop.

While Alistair may not like it, thats his problem.
Besides souls exist in DA thats a fact in that universe, while you many not believe they exist HERE, they do exist in Thedas.

Your last point is true.

However, Riordan, that guy you mentioned with all that experience, who I don't know from a hole in the wall and showed up about 5 minutes ago, supposedly having been tortured yet looking remarkably hale right now?  Yea, his opinion doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot to me, especially after what I;ve seen of Loghain in the game.

[Addai]

jln.francisco wrote...

He's also the guy who thought jumping onto the Archdemon's back in the middle of the fight was a viable strategy. I'd take his advice with a grain of salt. While Duncan seemed very good at reading people and situations, his fellow Warden seemed a much more gullible and foolish man.

??  You're talking about the kill animation on the AD?

[Addai]

Oh oh, you mean Riordan. Gotcha. I thought you meant Alistair.

[Sarah1281]

jln.francisco wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...


I dont kill Loghain since, Riordian, you know the guy with 20 times the experience you or alistair have, the one who was tortured by Loghain, and one who lost many friends at Ostagar tells me to stop.

He's also the guy who thought jumping onto the Archdemon's back in the middle of the fight was a viable strategy. I'd take his advice with a grain of salt. While Duncan seemed very good at reading people and situations, his fellow Warden seemed a much more gullible and foolish man.

That's metagaming since Loghain's fate has been decided WAY before that point. If you're going to metagame you might as well take into account the fact that Loghain is a great Warden who doesn't try to betray you at all.

[TJPags]

Sarah1281 wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...


I dont kill Loghain since, Riordian, you know the guy with 20 times the experience you or alistair have, the one who was tortured by Loghain, and one who lost many friends at Ostagar tells me to stop.

He's also the guy who thought jumping onto the Archdemon's back in the middle of the fight was a viable strategy. I'd take his advice with a grain of salt. While Duncan seemed very good at reading people and situations, his fellow Warden seemed a much more gullible and foolish man.

That's metagaming since Loghain's fate has been decided WAY before that point. If you're going to metagame you might as well take into account the fact that Loghain is a great Warden who doesn't try to betray you at all.

Yet.  You forgot to say, "yet". 

[Sarah1281]

TJPags wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...


I dont kill Loghain since, Riordian, you know the guy with 20 times the experience you or alistair have, the one who was tortured by Loghain, and one who lost many friends at Ostagar tells me to stop.

He's also the guy who thought jumping onto the Archdemon's back in the middle of the fight was a viable strategy. I'd take his advice with a grain of salt. While Duncan seemed very good at reading people and situations, his fellow Warden seemed a much more gullible and foolish man.

That's metagaming since Loghain's fate has been decided WAY before that point. If you're going to metagame you might as well take into account the fact that Loghain is a great Warden who doesn't try to betray you at all.

Yet.  You forgot to say, "yet". 

Meh, he's off in Orlais. SO not my problem.

[TJPags]

Sarah1281 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...


I dont kill Loghain since, Riordian, you know the guy with 20 times the experience you or alistair have, the one who was tortured by Loghain, and one who lost many friends at Ostagar tells me to stop.

He's also the guy who thought jumping onto the Archdemon's back in the middle of the fight was a viable strategy. I'd take his advice with a grain of salt. While Duncan seemed very good at reading people and situations, his fellow Warden seemed a much more gullible and foolish man.

That's metagaming since Loghain's fate has been decided WAY before that point. If you're going to metagame you might as well take into account the fact that Loghain is a great Warden who doesn't try to betray you at all.

Yet.  You forgot to say, "yet". 

Meh, he's off in Orlais. SO not my problem.

Kinda like the OGB? 

[Monica21]

jln.francisco wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont kill Loghain since, Riordian, you know the guy with 20 times the experience you or alistair have, the one who was tortured by Loghain, and one who lost many friends at Ostagar tells me to stop.

He's also the guy who thought jumping onto the Archdemon's back in the middle of the fight was a viable strategy. I'd take his advice with a grain of salt. While Duncan seemed very good at reading people and situations, his fellow Warden seemed a much more gullible and foolish man.

Not that I'm saying Duncan is foolish, but it's unfair to compare the two. Duncan was the one who had Alistair in his charge for six months as a Grey Warden, took him to a few darkspawn battles knowing it was as blight, and never bothered telling Alistair what happens when the Archdemon dies.

I'm not sure how Riordan could be considered gullible or foolish, other than that you disagree with his wounding of the Archdemon.