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[Kaiser Shepard]

Not until they pull a Nintendo-level face heel turn, no.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 24 août 2010 - 02:03 .

[HBC Dresden]

To OP: nope.

[TheMadCat]

Saibh wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

 If your faith in BioWare was they'd do what's best for you and for gaming "as a whole", well, bluntly put you're a fool.

Why should I ever expect a company (especially one that has the recognition the BW has) always expect them to do what I want them to do?
Why should a single company that clearly caters to a specific group be expected to be doing what is best for all of the gaming world?
Why should I worry about a company that has time after time proven that no matter what type of game they are making (be it Shattered Steele, MDK2, BG series, or Mass Effect) have proven to make games that are enjoyable be expected to hold up the entire gaming world?
Why should I worry that not matter what the changes have been the games have been fun and I am glad to have given them my money?
Sure maybe when first hearing about these games long before release, long before I ever had a chance to play them I worried about if I was going to like it and have fun but time after time they have proven to me it is not what you have but how you use it.
So my question is... why should I be acting like a petulant brat throwing a temper tantrum because he is not getting what he wants or expected to be getting when the track record has proven otherwise?

Shattered Steel was not exactly like Baldur's Gate, MDK2 (ya know the game BioWare made between BG and BG2) was not like BG2, NWN was not a clone of, which brings us to KOTOR, JE, NE, ME2, DAO. All games a majority of gamers around here have enjoyed. All games with distinct differences.

So why again should I be losing faith in BioWare?

What the hell are you going on about? Everything you said has got zero to do with what you quoted.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't read your post as "you are  fool to have faith in BioWare" so much as you're a fool to have faith in thinking that a company will always pander directly to your tastes and never change.

That's exactly what was meant.  Addiction for whatever reason first agreed with me in a snide and unintentional war, then gave me a history lesson on his opinion of BIoWare's game and their varities, then asked me why I think something I never claimed to think. I've got no clue what he's trying to get at with that post.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 24 août 2010 - 02:08 .

[Kohaku]

No way AFW. I think the more we try to help people, even if they hear the same thing over and over again, at least shows them someone is willing to help or at least try to.

[Anarya]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Nope. BioWare have yet to let me down, regardless of pre-release forum wankage. And besides, "faith" isn't exactly the word I'd use. I don't believe that BioWare will make games I enjoy for some irrational, unshakeable reason. I believe it because I've loved every game they've made, though all for different reasons.

I have the same kind of "faith" in Valve, Studio Ghibli, or any other creative studio that consistently produces quality, enjoyable work. *toasts*

Pretty much this. If Bioware had a spotty track record it'd be a different story. But they don't, so no "faith" required.

[In Exile]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I am a PC gamer. And I think that by the term "dumbing down for consoles" means that a game has to be simplified for less advanced hardware and simpler controls. Maybe when the consoles were just released they were technically capable of the same things. The years have passed and the PCs have advanced and the consoles did not make any progress. That means games written for consoles are no challenge for the PC. It used to be common to push the limits in games for the PC. That's mostly gone because the games need to be portable.

I can appreciate the opinion that less complex is less enjoyable, though I would argue about which games are less complex between the PC and console. I can't imagine playing an FPS on the console as well as I can on the PC; mouse and keyboard will always be my prefered way to go. Consoles have the JRPG turn-based strategy games like Disgea, FFT, etc. which are certainly not simple fare. Even older games like Tactics Ogre on the SNES.

Still, my main objection is that even if you are right, and all PC games are more complex than all console games, still the offensive phrase "dumbing down" should have no role. You should just call it what it is: a dislike for simplicity.

Anything else is just being insulting and trying to sound superior (not that you tried this, as far as I know, so I'm not trying to be accusatory).

They have become unbelievable. I consider the above to be intentional lies just to sell the games (in the hope we fall for that nonsense and forget about it), so I don't trust any thing they say. I only see marketing crap and hype.

That's a fair criticism. I guess to for me, the important part of what Bioware does is that they make games that I like. In the end, like with Peter Molyneux, I don't actually care that 80% of the things said are not going to be in the game - I only care about whether or not the final product is fun.

I suppose I also have a decent intuition about what is actually achievable in-game, so stuff like decisions carrying over was something that seemed prima facie impossible to be and so not something I could consider as anything more than marketing hype. Which I like I said, doesn't bother me because it isn't what I judge Bioware on.

[Meltemph]

I like just about every video game genre, so they would have to make a terrible game, from a design POV for me to lose faith... I just love their story telling and gameplay in every bioware game I've played.

[Rapidiul]

This thread takes the word "Fail" to another level.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I never worshipped Bioware to begin with. How does one lose faith in a god they never served under?

[goatman42]

Not at all. Go Team Bioware!

[gotthammer]

Nope. Haven't 'lost faith' (what, Bioware's a religion now?).

I am disappointed w/ some of the stuff I've heard, but I'll still be getting DA2 and, when they get to announcing it, ME3.

Oh, and SW:TOR, too, I guess (even tho' I don't really like the art/design choices they made)

[addiction21]

TheMadCat wrote...


That's exactly what was meant.  Addiction for whatever reason first agreed with me in a snide and unintentional war, then gave me a history lesson on his opinion of BIoWare's game and their varities, then asked me why I think something I never claimed to think. I've got no clue what he's trying to get at with that post.

Never ment to be snide or make a war so I apologize for that. Seems to happen a lot with me

I think part of it stems from so many of the posts on these forums that just boil down to "This new game has things that are different from previous BW games" and people are allready dismissing the game or BW as a failure.

It is much better to speak to me then to ever read my thoughts. They always come out a jumbled barley (if ever) coherent mess.

[Merlin326]

gotthammer wrote...
Nope. Haven't 'lost faith' (what, Bioware's a religion now?).

You haven't heard? It's called the Chant-something-or-other. lol

back on topic: Bioware is, first and foremost, been a company of story driven games. So long as this remains true, it is nigh impossible for me to lose 'faith' in the pantheon that is Bioware.

[Kalfear]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Every person that's complaining will buy the game, enjoy it and pretend they never hated it.

ME2 sales figures seem to be at odds with your blanket statement

I personally doubt they hit the 3 million mark with DA2 (DA:O did 3.2 million)

People are most definately losing interest and faith with Bioware

I personally know 20 people that will not buy DA2 already (I will buy at a discount off steam year or 2 after fact).
If I know 20 outta like 30 people (all bought DA:O), then how many will not buy if I knew 1000000? I dont know the answer other then to say!

Many people who still post here will NOT buy the game, Bioware lost its free get outta jail card with Mass Effect 2, now they have to actually sell most their customers on the product and so far DA2 has come up short for all but the fanboi that buy everything no matter what! They however are NOT the majority.

[SDNcN]

Kalfear wrote...

I personally doubt they hit the 3 million mark with DA2 (DA:O did 3.2 million)

People are most definately losing interest and faith with Bioware

I personally know 20 people that will not buy DA2 already (I will buy at a discount off steam year or 2 after fact).
If I know 20 outta like 30 people (all bought DA:O), then how many will not buy if I knew 1000000? I dont know the answer other then to say!

Your logic is infaliable!

[kraidy1117]

I am losing faith on the ME team, but not the DA team. I am looking forward to DA2. The only thing I didn't like was voiced PC, other then that, everything looks good and I can't wait to play this fantastic game.

[Krytheos]

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But on a serious note, yeah. If you've lost faith, why're you posting on these forums? Liek, srsly. If you've lost faith (So BioWare is the Chantry now? Dang. I wanted to shatter the Chantry, but if BioWare IS the Chantry...dammit!) then you shouldn't need to post, righteo?



I mean, sod it all, if you really need to post on these forums to do this, you REALLY need to think about your mindset. This is a discussion forum, yes; but it is to discuss the game, not..uh, BioWare as a religion. Or that you've lost faith in said pantheon, or whatever.



Seriously. I mean, it's fine that you want to talk about it with others, but you could take it to somewhere else that's much more appropiate, while we who are on the DA 2 Discussion forum wish to discuss DA2.

[ErichHartmann]

I must have a fanatical devotion to Bioware. They are one of the few developers that consistently put out awesome games. They remind me of Blizzard. You either love or hate them. /more shrugs

[SDNcN]

Krytheos wrote...

But on a serious note, yeah. If you've lost faith, why're you posting on these forums? Liek, srsly. If you've lost faith (So BioWare is the Chantry now? Dang. I wanted to shatter the Chantry, but if BioWare IS the Chantry...dammit!) then you shouldn't need to post, righteo?

I mean, sod it all, if you really need to post on these forums to do this, you REALLY need to think about your mindset. This is a discussion forum, yes; but it is to discuss the game, not..uh, BioWare as a religion. Or that you've lost faith in said pantheon, or whatever.

Seriously. I mean, it's fine that you want to talk about it with others, but you could take it to somewhere else that's much more appropiate, while we who are on the DA 2 Discussion forum wish to discuss DA2.

But the cycle must be completed!
Just replace DnD with a new 'Bioware game'.

[Roth]

I think the amount of awesome games Bioware has been pumping out has made the whiners spoiled. Why don't they just declare BW dead and stop making games? In five or so years these same whiners will complain on other game forums about the era when BW ruled and that nowadays you just can't find quality games like ME2 and DA2. You just can't!

Because in essence such people are whiners. They whine about their job, they whine about their car and about the society. And they sure as heck whine about the games too, because being content with something just isn't in their repertoire.

[Dave of Canada]

Kalfear wrote...

ME2 sales figures seem to be at odds with your blanket statement

I personally doubt they hit the 3 million mark with DA2 (DA:O did 3.2 million)

People are most definately losing interest and faith with Bioware

I personally know 20 people that will not buy DA2 already (I will buy at a discount off steam year or 2 after fact).
If I know 20 outta like 30 people (all bought DA:O), then how many will not buy if I knew 1000000? I dont know the answer other then to say!

Many people who still post here will NOT buy the game, Bioware lost its free get outta jail card with Mass Effect 2, now they have to actually sell most their customers on the product and so far DA2 has come up short for all but the fanboi that buy everything no matter what! They however are NOT the majority.

The complaints we're seeing on these boards have been heard thousands of times before, Dragon Age: Origins was considered a failure by the majority before launch because it was going to try ancient gameplay in a newer age. Knights of the Old Republic was considered a failure because it wasn't set in the same timeline as the original series. Baldur's Gate was considered a failure because it wasn't die-hard D&D. Mass Effect (the first one) was considered a failure because it was a shooter / RPG and that  "would never work!".

These anti-Dragon Age whiners are nothing new. Each of these games were a financial success, the people who complained about each one purchased it and loved it. Why should I expect different this time?

[Annihilator27]

Nothing is perfect, I still support bioware.

[standardpack]

I'm not so dissapointed in DA2 so to speak (I was and had my share of ranting, but now i'm willing to give it a chance WHILE I play it when it comes out) but what I am dissapointed with is their games need constant patching. Dragon age is already at patch 1.04 and still not all the kinks are worked out. When I buy a game I don't want it to be full of bugs.



To some that may not seem like much but there are some that just make me frustrated at times. The Vigilance/star fang glitch, Jowan's intentions quest, and a few others.

[Krytheos]

Kind of have to agree with Roth there. I mean, it was the same quite a bit for awhile. Then DA: O Comes out and everybody goes 'awesome!'



Now DA: 2 is announced and everyone is like 'But no! You can't ruin a game I whined about last time, and inevitably ended up loving! *boycotts.*'



Now that's not to say that is every whiners mindset, but most of the time it just sparks off silly whining. If you have criticism? Fine, that's perfect. Take a criticism of something give feedback, and tell them what you might think would make it better. That's how you do it.



But what I hated seeing was all these 'THEY RUINED IT NOW IT SUCKS' mentality. I mean, I could write a book. Then I could write a sequel to that book, that the fans ultimately dislike. And then I would get fan hate!mail or something about how it RUINED IT FOREVERRRR. Vs something like constructive critisim on writing, or things like that.



That's why I dislike movie critics. They talk about how bad the movie is, but do not give feedback or anything. Probably why I think most critics should die in a fire. But I'm a pyromaniac, so...



...what was I talking about again?

[Apollo Starflare]

I always think it's notable that half the people I see complaining about ME2 ruined everything (seriously, you'd think it got a 40 on metacritic or something judging by the way they talk about it) seem to have ME2 registered to their account anyway. Sure they could say that they have 'learnt' this time, but in the long run most of the people who are the most vocal and regular complainers are also quite loyal fans (in their way) of Bioware. Disenchanted or not, I fully expect most will end up buying DA2 if it is released as the game we currently know it as (very similar to Origins).



Anyway, the ME franchise isn't over yet. The naysayers have to buy DA2 so they can all turn up before ME3 having played DA2 and go 'we whined before DA2 came out and look what happened' etc.