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[JPR1964]

Wicked 702 wrote...

I used to be a huge fan of both companies, now I'm somewhat indifferent. Both have lost major points.

Quoted for truth! IMO naturaly...



JPR

[BrokenBirthday0]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

BrokenBirthday0 wrote...

"Blizzard games generally spend more time in development when compared to other gaming companies and it shows"

The fact that Blizzard takes a long time to complete a game is not a valid argument for the quality of the games. My wife plays WoW and it seems that almost every other week something's wrong with the servers or they're doing maintenance.

You are right, the amount of time spent on development for game is not a valid argument for the quality of a game (look at Limbo of the Lost), however the quality of Starcraft 2 does speak for itself and a lot of that comes down to the devs spending the extra time to get things right.

Also as far as MMOs go WoW did show a lot more polish than most other MMOs, as eucatastrophy has already pointed out the fact that the servers are down every Tuesday is not proof of WoW being a poor game but more proof as to Blizzard's superior quality control at work (ok every MMO does this but still), regular maintenance is a key part of offering a superior service as it allows the devs to nip issues in the bud before they become serious problems. Think of it like a car, you usually dont wait for it to break down before you see the mechanic, usually you would get it serviced regularly every couple of kilometers to stop issues before they become a problem.

BrokenBirthday0 wrote...


"Yes that must be why they keep their games in development for so long, I am sure the only reason they spent 7 years developing Starcraft 2 was just to maximise their profits."

Again. Not a valid argument. Oh yes, Blizzard is greedy as ****. As soon as They make one game that makes a huge profit (WoW), they change the art for all the new games to imitate that one (StarCraft 2/Diablo 2). Seriously, have you seen the screens for Diablo 2? ****ing rainbows? Really?

I must admit I havent been keeping a close eye on Diablo 3 but when I did see screens I diddnt see much of a problem, however I would like to see these rainbows and if you could post a link it would be much appreciated. As for Starcraft 2 I dont think I should have to explain why the units cant be uber detailed and why slightly cartoony graphics are a better option.

But regardless you cant expect everything in Diablo 3 is going to be drab depressing and ugly, even in a world of monsters one can find beauty in the most unlikely of places, it is these symbols that give the hero hope in a world that is falling apart around him.

But that''s the beauty of it. It's not supposed to be about hope and unicorns. Okay I'll stop. That was imature. I honestly have never had a technical problem with a game by either developer. But I do however love a good story. You can't honestly say that Blizzard has as high a standard of storytelling as Bioware does (and story is probably the most important aspect of a game to me). That's not even a debate.
But the reality is: it all lies in opinion and personal preferences. I prefer Bioware games but the fact that I like them better doesn't make them better.

[Onyx Jaguar]

BrokenBirthday0 wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

BrokenBirthday0 wrote...

The fact that Blizzard takes a long time to complete a game is not a valid argument for the quality of the games. My wife plays WoW and it seems that almost every other week something's wrong with the servers or they're doing maintenance.

What?

They have Maintenance every alternate Tuesday I believe. It's been that way since launch. They also have 15 minute server restarts every other Tuesday at 5:00 AM PST.

Patch days are rough, but they've become a lot better as time has gone by.

Again. Not a valid argument. Oh yes, Blizzard is greedy as ****. As soon as They make one game that makes a huge profit (WoW), they change the art for all the new games to imitate that one (StarCraft 2/Diablo 2). Seriously, have you seen the screens for Diablo 2? ****ing rainbows? Really?

An optical and meteorological phenomenon that causes a spectrum of light to appear in the sky when the sun shines onto droplets of moisture in the Earth's atmosphere in MY game?!

BLASPHEMY!!

Of course it's blasphemy. Lol.
Seriously though, I don't think the WoW Cartoony graphics and light attitude goes well with the traditional Diablo feel. It's called DIABLO for ****'s sake.
I got a little pissed when I saw it.

I agree with this, first initial reaction was like buh

I'd levy the same argument against Oblivion actually in regards to Bethesda

Also watch the new guys making Diablo 3 will get the music wrong

oh what a sad day that will be

However the art style wouldn't be the same in a fully 3D game

Also it wasn't WoW that started with those awful cartoon graphics it was Warcraft 3

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 25 août 2010 - 11:25 .

[BrokenBirthday0]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

BrokenBirthday0 wrote...

eucatastrophe wrote...

BrokenBirthday0 wrote...

The fact that Blizzard takes a long time to complete a game is not a valid argument for the quality of the games. My wife plays WoW and it seems that almost every other week something's wrong with the servers or they're doing maintenance.

What?

They have Maintenance every alternate Tuesday I believe. It's been that way since launch. They also have 15 minute server restarts every other Tuesday at 5:00 AM PST.

Patch days are rough, but they've become a lot better as time has gone by.

Again. Not a valid argument. Oh yes, Blizzard is greedy as ****. As soon as They make one game that makes a huge profit (WoW), they change the art for all the new games to imitate that one (StarCraft 2/Diablo 2). Seriously, have you seen the screens for Diablo 2? ****ing rainbows? Really?

An optical and meteorological phenomenon that causes a spectrum of light to appear in the sky when the sun shines onto droplets of moisture in the Earth's atmosphere in MY game?!

BLASPHEMY!!

Of course it's blasphemy. Lol.
Seriously though, I don't think the WoW Cartoony graphics and light attitude goes well with the traditional Diablo feel. It's called DIABLO for ****'s sake.
I got a little pissed when I saw it.

I agree with this, first initial reaction was like buh

I'd levy the same argument against Oblivion actually in regards to Bethesda

Also watch the new guys making Diablo 3 will get the music wrong

oh what a sad day that will be

However the art style wouldn't be the same in a fully 3D game

Also it wasn't WoW that started with those awful cartoon graphics it was Warcraft 3

Ah, never played it. Not a fan of the art style though.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

BrokenBirthday0 wrote...

But that''s the beauty of it. It's not supposed to be about hope and unicorns.

Yeah sorry about that, I just felt like posting something corny. Not quite sure what the point was that I was trying to make there, it is nice to have elements of beauty to contrast the uglyness in an RPG as it helps remind the hero what he is fighting for, I know in Awakening all of the environments were just dull and depressing and I wondered why the Warden would take such a crappy asignment.

BrokenBirthday0 wrote...

Okay I'll stop. That was imature. I honestly have never had a technical problem with a game by either developer. But I do however love a good story. You can't honestly say that Blizzard has as high a standard of storytelling as Bioware does (and story is probably the most important aspect of a game to me). That's not even a debate.
But the reality is: it all lies in opinion and personal preferences. I prefer Bioware games but the fact that I like them better doesn't make them better.

I am going to side with Bioware because of the Baldur's Gate series however I must admit that I have been quite unimpressed with Bioware's latest attempts. The story in Starcraft 2 wasnt much but then I did enjoy the story of how Arthas fell from being a noble (if a little bit brash and arrogant) paladin to becomming a mad man and servant of the Lich King (and eventually the Lich King himself).

[svenus97]

EA>Activision

[Reaper Man]

Succesful troll is succesful

[brfritos]

It's interesting that the amazing fact of SC2 sales were not mentioned here: it put ME2 sellings on the pocket in 48hrs.
And only for PC!

I have to agree that Blizzard patch their games faster and more often than Bioware.
ME2 continues to be plagued with lots of bugs that the devs reply "it not affect gameplay, so it will not be corrected".

Of course, flying to the sky and being stuck on it don't affects ANYTHING, right?
This is very disrespectful with the fans.

As for the quality of the games, BOTH companies rocks real hard and have good games, so no point in nitpicking any.

BTW...
bacon & eggs > bacon only

Modifié par brfritos, 26 août 2010 - 09:49 .

[Chonxa]

Pirhana Bytes rulesssss

[Loerwyn]

Katauri Interactive > All.

[TheMufflon]

eucatastrophe wrote...

An optical and meteorological phenomenon that causes a spectrum of light to appear in the sky when the sun shines onto droplets of moisture in the Earth's atmosphere in MY game?!

They are also upside down.

[Guy4142]

Mallissin wrote...

Binary Systems > Accolade > Bethesda > Bioware > Blizzard > Valve > Epic > Neversoft > Crytek > Bungie > Zynga

GO TO HELL FARMVILLE LOVERS! *stompz ur collieflowerz*

No way in hell would i put Bethesda before Bioware... unless we were rating on mere promises.
The quality of Bethesda games is very poor, the modding community is another story thougth.

[JRCHOharry]

Me > Bioware > Everything else.

[Inhuman one]

Bioware did weaken since their deal with EA, there are no doubts there. And Blizzard was at their best with warcraft 3.



Both are not exactly in their prime right now.



A warcraft 4 I might play, that seems way more interesting to me than world of warcraft. But they would be more likely to make a second world of warcraft even while they could put a lot of things they learned through world of warcraft to good use for a fourth warcraft. Like allowing the player to make their own hero and be able to find lots of equipment and loot to use through the campaign and online against other players.



As for Bioware, they make nothing but sequels these days. Predictable sequels. We all knew about Mass Effect being a trilogy from the start, but Dragon Age 2 just was not needed. A Jade Empire 2 or a spiritual succesor to Neverwinter Nights would have been a far more surprising and original way to make a sequel since the improvements would have so much more impact over the previous installments.



There is also the Old Republic, but how are we supposed to enjoy Bioware's storylines in a world with thousands of players? It seems very unlikely that you can play through the various stories without it being spoiled by other players unless you mute everyone.



Personly I would have prefered a KOTOR 3 instead, with Mass Effect 2's level of graphics and facial expressions and lightsaber combat being greatly improved.



Appearantly both companies suffer from a lack of inspiration in recent years.



But still I have to say Bioware is a way better company, because of its past. Its granted that warcraft 3 had a nice way of telling its story and some amazing cutscenes to support it, but the story itself is not that great when compared to a story like that of KOTOR, Jade Empire or Mass Effect.



The story not being too complicated does fit with the more cartoony style of warcraft, it could also be argued that it may not even make any sense to compare Bioware and Blizzard because they are very different.



Bioware makes no strategy games and their RPG's focus on story where Blizzard's RPG's have a focus on hack and slash.



The very style of gameplay is just very different.



Might as well involve Bethesda and Lionhead in this too since they also make RPG's.



Yet those two could not really be compared either. Aspects of such games can be compared where it makes sense, but you cant compare strategy game graphics with those of a fighter game either to give an example.



When it comes to creating a living and immersive world, Lionhead would win.

When it comes to telling an immersive story full of emotion, Bioware would win.

When it comes to creating a large world with logical loot and many little details, Bethesda wins.

When it comes to polish, Blizzard would win.

[red dragon of baldur's]

Stanley Woo wrote...

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[Faelvir]

red dragon of baldur's wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Now that we've got your opinion on record, can we move on?

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