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[The Big Nothing]

Aermas wrote...

blew the darkspawn.

Yeah. That's how he got to the top of Fort Draken.

[General Warfield]

Sandal is actually a time travelling robot who's programming malfunctioned and now he thinks hes a dwarf.

[TotoroTori]

Sandal is the only reason why I can find my phone in my room

[orpheus333]

I'm more inclined to think Sandal is the only, or one of the few, dwarf/ves that can enter the fade while asleep and tap into the fade while awake. There has to be a reason for the dwarven race not to be connected to the fade in some way and i think sandal is our ticket to finding out what this reason is and how a dwarf could over come it.

[Zevais]

lyrium powered retard strength...



that is how Sandal massacred the Darkspawn... just don't get stuck in a bathroom stall while he is staring... I know a couple of clerks that will vouche for me

[Heretical]

Would be interesting if Sandal was capable of using magic.

[FinneousPJ]

This is pure genius.

[druplesnubb]

Since the archdemons don't talk there is no way to find out for sure exactly who is who among them so it's fully possible that the one who was believed to be Dumat was in fact someone else and that Dumat thus never got tainted and still lives. And if he knows shapeshifting (which he probably does) it's also fully possible for him to shapeshift into a dwarf. And unless he's much smarter han regular dragons (which he admittedly might be) he would seem retarded to humans due to his inferior intelligence. And since dragons don't talk human languages or even makes the same sounds as humans he would have tremendous speaking problems on top of that.

Doesn't seem so silly anymore, does it?

[Mykel54]

I think Sandal is somehow tainted by the darkspawn, that is why he survived fort drakon, the darkspawn thought he was one of their own. That, or magehawke did it.

[WidowMaker9394]

Sandal is the Makers earthly shell.

[Yrkoon]

Kroaks wrote...

I suppose it "could" be true after all Morrigan refers to the OGB as an "innocent"....perhaps what happens when the gods are reborn into human (or possibly dwarven/whatever) is a dramatic cut in intellect?

Dramatic cut in intellect?    Sandal is  Smarter than any Dragon.


Could Dumat  put runes on weapons?  Could he speak words? 

[redBadger14]

Gaider said that Bodahn and Sandal would both be in Kirkwall in DA2, likely after the events of Origins.



It's likely they will enjoy traveling with someone again. Thus, making them party merchants again. Although nothing is totally known about what role Bodahn and Sandal will have in DA2, but it doesn't suggest at all, OP, your theory.



That doesnt mean you're wrong. I'm just saying at this point in time, it can't be proven whatsoever. Sandal, obviously, is heavily lyrium infused.



However to suggest the first archdemon Dumat is trapped in Sandal's body is directly conflicting with known facts so far:



Dumat was slain by a Grey Warden. Thus, Dumat was drawn to the tainted blood of the Grey Warden, killing the Warden and slaying Dumat for good. There is no other evidence stating otherwise. And even if Dumat was slain by someone else, Dumat would take possession of the nearest Darkspawn and be reborn as the archdemon. Thus it would be impossible, based on current facts presented by the history of Archdemons and Grey Wardens, that Sandal would be a proper vessel for Dumat.



Now I agree, OP you have a very interesting theory. I believe it could be some crazy plot twist that is yet to be revealed. Maybe there is some other divine or unholy entity fused in Sandal's body. I don't know for sure. I won't rule it out myself because Sandal is too interesting of a character to let this theory die out.



Maybe not Dumat; maybe some other supernatural being is what I think I'll stick by for now.



Eyes open, ears up on this theory!

[SnakeStrike8]

Here's a much simpler explanation:

Given that fort drakon is supposed to be the most fortified place in Denerim, it makes sense that the garrison would have retreated there when the darkspawn attacked Denerim while you and the army was marching out from Redcliffe. If that was the Denerim garrison's last stand, then it explains the pile of dead darkspawn everywhere: the soldiers slotted them before they were overwhelmed. Sandal, who we know was found wandering the deep roads, probably ate some dead darkspawn like Ruck did to survive, thus explaining his lack of higher-order mental functions. I brings the taint, so we know, so when Bodahn hid Sandal in fort drakon, the darkspawn simply ignored the little guy.

And thus we come upon him, surrounded by darkspawn that he didn't kill himself, and Bioware chuckles at all the mad theories we throw around.

[Yrkoon]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...
 so when Bodahn hid Sandal in fort drakon, the darkspawn simply ignored the little guy.
And thus we come upon him, surrounded by darkspawn that he didn't kill himself, and Bioware chuckles at all the mad theories we throw around.

And then the blood just magically appeared on his face and clothes as if he just got done engaging in a melee battle   (read: the devs specifically  put him under the gore effects of a melee battle).  In the meantime,  all the Garrison's men are totally gone, from every single room in Fort Drakon.  None of their corpses remain, either.

Makes sense.  Oh wait,  no  it doesn't.  In fact,  this is exactly the  same level of  mad theorycrafting as all the other theories we've  read on this thread... complete with  a  falsifiable premise right from the get-go:  That Bodahn hid Sandal in Fort Drakon.  (he didn't.  Your party leaves Bodhan back in Redcliffe castle.  per  the King's/queen's  marching orders.)

Modifié par Yrkoon, 22 janvier 2011 - 04:09 .

[ErichHartmann]

I simply view Sandal at Fort Drakon as a comedic moment. Can't think of a reason to take it seriously or read anything into it.

[slimgrin]

ErichHartmann wrote...

I simply view Sandal at Fort Drakon as a comedic moment. Can't think of a reason to take it seriously or read anything into it.

Same here. I thought it was hilarious too.

[g-vapen]

druplesnubb wrote...

Since the archdemons don't talk there is no way to find out for sure exactly who is who among them so it's fully possible that the one who was believed to be Dumat was in fact someone else and that Dumat thus never got tainted and still lives. And if he knows shapeshifting (which he probably does) it's also fully possible for him to shapeshift into a dwarf. And unless he's much smarter han regular dragons (which he admittedly might be) he would seem retarded to humans due to his inferior intelligence. And since dragons don't talk human languages or even makes the same sounds as humans he would have tremendous speaking problems on top of that.
Doesn't seem so silly anymore, does it?

This. So this.
Do we really know which dragon is which? How will the Thedas now know if they haven't even seen an original Old God before? Then there is the matter of shapeshifting. Hell, Flemeth could be Dumat herself. It'll be an interesting plot twist if it is true.

I also suspect on how exactly the First Blight ended (or any Blight before the 4th). Its not currently mentioned on who dealt the killing blow on the first 4 Blights and if they died. Someone mentioned here on how Morrigan knew it would work. I don't think she would have that much confidence if she was the first one who tried the ritual.

[Beerfish]

andyr1986 wrote...

I'm more inclined to think Sandal is the only, or one of the few, dwarf/ves that can enter the fade while asleep and tap into the fade while awake. There has to be a reason for the dwarven race not to be connected to the fade in some way and i think sandal is our ticket to finding out what this reason is and how a dwarf could over come it.

I like this theory.

[Beerfish]

ErichHartmann wrote...

I simply view Sandal at Fort Drakon as a comedic moment. Can't think of a reason to take it seriously or read anything into it.

This is one of these cases where a minor character and a comedic moment can grow into soemthing bigger however.  Just like in tv series or movies some times the developers are really surprised at how much the audience likes characters with small parts and then their part grows.

[Arthur Cousland]

Perhaps Sandal is one of the remaining possible companions? Highly unlikely, but it would be nice to see him in action in a scene at least, slaughtering darkspawn Chuck Norris style.



I guess Bioware has to base one of the future DA titles during the first blight so we can see how things really went down. Also, since the first blight lasted over 200 years, that's how much time must be covered in the game, not a mere 10 years, and over 200 hours of gameplay.

[jomonoe]

Props to you if you called it, it sounds pretty solid.

[redBadger14]

@Yrkoon: You are assuming that someone covered in blood had to have engaged in a melee battle. Let me ask: If someone cut up Darkspawn, spilling blood everywhere, and Sandal was simply caught up in the middle but otherwise uninvolved, don't you think the laws of physics and gravity would result in him being covered in the blood of the slain Darkspawn?



I'm not saying you're right/wrong or SnakeStrike is right/wrong, but don't trash his theory when you provided no sensible logic to your explanation of him being wrong.



If someone was standing next to me when I killed someone with a sword, they would have blood on them as well. Use common sense, as much as DAO is after all just a game and circumstantially we only see blood get on our characters as a result of a melee battle.

[Yrkoon]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

I guess Bioware has to base one of the future DA titles during the first blight so we can see how things really went down. Also, since the first blight lasted over 200 years, that's how much time must be covered in the game, not a mere 10 years, and over 200 hours of gameplay.

And there'd be Griffons in such a game too!

I approve.