That's all, I guess. There's really nothing I want to say or ask; I'm just surprised at the amount of people who disagree with my decision. Even Grunt does. Zero support.
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Sparing the Collector Base and the Team's Thoughts
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Fiery Phoenix
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 04:41
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I recently completed a second run with my female Shepard (4th run overall) and I did something I never did on my previous playthrough's-- sparing the Collector base. The thing is, after the suicide mission, I toured the ship and started talking to my squadmates (no one died, all 12 survived),and just about all of them disagree with my decision of keeping the base and, especially, handing it over to Timmy. I felt rather disappointed, because no one supported the decision at all, but instead, they made me feel as if I had indeed did something wrong. It even makes me wonder if this means anything at all for ME3. Like, is that supposed to be a hint that sparing the Collector base is in fact the wrong call? I know there's technically nothing right or wrong when it comes to making your decisions, but of course!
That's all, I guess. There's really nothing I want to say or ask; I'm just surprised at the amount of people who disagree with my decision. Even Grunt does. Zero support.
That's all, I guess. There's really nothing I want to say or ask; I'm just surprised at the amount of people who disagree with my decision. Even Grunt does. Zero support.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 04:46
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Isn't there already 10-20 threads that talk about this??
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 04:48
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Again, this isn't about whether or not you saved the base or which decision you think is the best. I'm simply expressing my feelings towards the squadmates' reaction after sparing the base and wondering if it means anything at all.MythicalKnight wrote...
Isn't there already 10-20 threads that talk about this??
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 04:55
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If you have your whole team berrate you for keeping the base, or compliment you for destroying it, which do you think would feel like the "right" choice. It's all about positive reinforcement. Making the player feel like they've made the right choice no matter what.
Notice how everyone also thinks it was best to destroy the base if you go that route. Even if some of them might argue for keeping it before you make the decision, depending on who you have with you. Afterwards those same people will agree with destroying it.
Notice how everyone also thinks it was best to destroy the base if you go that route. Even if some of them might argue for keeping it before you make the decision, depending on who you have with you. Afterwards those same people will agree with destroying it.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 04:58
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I though Zaeed and Kasumi don't say anything about it.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 05:04
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Nope, they don't. The other ten do, however.Mesina2 wrote...
I though Zaeed and Kasumi don't say anything about it.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 05:07
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It's a big thing when the Cerberus Loyalist says that wasn't such a hot idea to give her boss the base. I personally like Samara's quote if you keep the base, basically saying that TIM thinks he knows more than he does.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 05:09
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Yes, I like that one, too. Thane also says that he trusts Shepard and what she does, but he doesn't trust the one she's working for (aka TIM).Sajuro wrote...
It's a big thing when the Cerberus Loyalist says that wasn't such a hot idea to give her boss the base. I personally like Samara's quote if you keep the base, basically saying that TIM thinks he knows more than he does.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 05:12
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Some of the comments I think aren't so much disappointment that the base survives, but reservation of what the Illusive Man plans to do with it. Basically warnings to Shepard to be cautious.
However, I am disappointed at how heavyhanded some of the squadmates are about their reservations. Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, and Zaeed all advocate keeping the base. If anything, those are the ones who should express the necessity of what you had done even as they worry how the base will be used.
However, I am disappointed at how heavyhanded some of the squadmates are about their reservations. Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, and Zaeed all advocate keeping the base. If anything, those are the ones who should express the necessity of what you had done even as they worry how the base will be used.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 05:42
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Team seems to be pretty united in their call that giving that base to TIM was a bad choice.
I trust my team.
I trust my team.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 05:52
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Even Morinth thinks that was a bad idea.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 05:54
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See? It seriously makes me question the decision altogether. This is the first time I've saved the base, though.didymos1120 wrote...
Even Morinth thinks that was a bad idea.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 06:18
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Sajuro wrote...
It's a big thing when the Cerberus Loyalist says that wasn't such a hot idea to give her boss the base. I personally like Samara's quote if you keep the base, basically saying that TIM thinks he knows more than he does.
Samara has a similar line when you destroy it. Anyway, I am really surprised to hear this. I never chose to keep the base, so I did not know. As to if all this means anything: there is a loading screen hint mentioning that decisions in ME2 may have catastrophic consequences in ME3. I always thought that the decision to keep the collector base might be one of those, and the strong opposition from the squad makes that even more likely - I am really surprised though... what does Mordin say? I thought he'd be at least neutral. And Miranda too.. she is supposed to be the Cerberus cheerleader after all - she seems to become more loyal to Shepard than to TIM over time, but the fact that she does not agree if Shepard decides to give the base to TIM shows that she does a lot of independent thinking.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 07:35
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Yes, I highly resent the heavy-handed way Bioware handled this. I should say, the out-of-character way in some cases. If there was any doubt Bioware doesn't really want Renegade decisions to have any benefit (as they should have, or why would anyone ever take them), here you are.
I would expect the after-the-fact comments to more closely resemble what they said before. And in one case, I find a comment so out-of-character that I choose to disbelieve it.
I would expect the after-the-fact comments to more closely resemble what they said before. And in one case, I find a comment so out-of-character that I choose to disbelieve it.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 07:35
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Always felt that it was stupid that everyone disaprove of saving the base.
Hopefully. Destroying it should handicap Shepard and CO. In ME3.
Hopefully. Destroying it should handicap Shepard and CO. In ME3.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 08:12
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Lizardviking wrote...
Always felt that it was stupid that everyone disaprove of saving the base.
Well, they don't. A number of them clearly think it was smart to keep it, but really don't like the idea of TIM having control of it.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 08:15
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It would be different if it was a squad choice but since its Shepard's choice then the team should stand by him or her no matter what.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 08:19
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Yup, that's it. The decision of keeping the base itself does seem to be approved of by some, but the problem is handing it over to TIM.didymos1120 wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
Always felt that it was stupid that everyone disaprove of saving the base.
Well, they don't. A number of them clearly think it was smart to keep it, but really don't like the idea of TIM having control of it.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 08:19
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ExtremeOne wrote...
It would be different if it was a squad choice but since its Shepard's choice then the team should stand by him or her no matter what.
Uh, why? What, they're officially not allowed to disagree with Shep's decisions about anything, ever? That's...ridiculous. And what does "a squad choice" mean anyway? Besides which, they do stand by Shep. None of them leave. They simply express some doubts about the potential consequences of Cerberus having control over it.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 08:37
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didymos1120 wrote...
Well, they don't. A number of them clearly think it was smart to keep it, but really don't like the idea of TIM having control of it.
Given that there is no freaking way to both save it and keep it out of TIM's grasp, short of Shepard putting on a lab coat to study the damn thing himself, they are effectively one and the same.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 08:46
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I wish there was an option to save the base AND keep it away from Timmy. That way I might actually save it every time I play. But no, if you're to save it, you give it to him, otherwise just blow it sky high and get it over with.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 08:57
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FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
I wish there was an option to save the base AND keep it away from Timmy. That way I might actually save it every time I play. But no, if you're to save it, you give it to him, otherwise just blow it sky high and get it over with.
There is no option to do that because it is impossible. The only possible groups who could make use of it are the Alliance, the Council, and Cerberus.
Give it to the Alliance: Cerberus will infiltrate that science team before you can say "background check."
Give it to the Council: Actually studying it would require admitting the Reaper threat is real, which they won't do until Harbinger and friends blacken the nebula. And that's assuming Cerberus doesn't just take it anyway.
The only Paragon recourse is to destroy it.
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Posté 24 août 2010 - 09:17
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Optimystic_X wrote...
Given that there is no freaking way to both save it and keep it out of TIM's grasp, short of Shepard putting on a lab coat to study the damn thing himself, they are effectively one and the same.
No, they aren't. They don't ever tell you "You shouldn'ta oughta done did that there base thingy, Shep." They're just worried about the consequences. It is possible to recognize the downside of something without thinking the whole thing was a bad idea to begin with, you know.
Take Garrus for instance:
"I hope Cerberus can figure out what to do with all that tech. I also hope they don't decide to do something worse than what the Collectors were planning. Watch yourself, Shepard."
How is that even remotely equivalent to "Shepard....YOU FOOOOOL!"?
Besides which, why wouldn't pretty much everybody wonder if Cerberus is the best steward for the base? People complain about these lines, but realistically, what in the hell else do you expect A BUNCH OF NON-HUMANS to say about it? "YAY! AWE-SOME! GO CERBERUS!"? The only iffy one is Miranda.
Oh, and then there's Legion, who doesn't give a sh!t about Cerberus at all. Neither it nor TIM even come up. The concern there is that humanity might end up doing to themselves what the Reapers would have imposed upon them. Legion also merely calls the choice "interesting".
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