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[Inquisitor Recon]

Why not? Another way Shepard can make fun of crazy Liara.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Why the hell do people even care about Liara's "father"? Whoever she may be - or may have been - there is no reason why love interest L should suddenly feel like finding parent number two, nor would it be logical for them to care after not having met each other in... well, ever! Liara didn't care much for the one she knew to begin with.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 24 août 2010 - 10:49 .

[didymos1120]

Optimystic_X wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Well, as a rule of thumb, if something could be taken as evidence for two mutually exclusive scenarios, it's not particularly good evidence for either. 

As a famous actor once said, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Notice, I said it's not good evidence for either. Thus, it's useless to anyone, no matter what their opinion about this is.  Both hypotheses could easily provide an explanation for not naming Benezia, so you have to decide based on the other available information.  Also, I tend to be in the "Sure, it could be true, but until you give me a good reason to think it actually is, I'll proceed on the assumption that it's not" camp. A positive claim needs positive evidence. The exception being when there's information that makes more sense in the context of one idea, but there's also a ton of ambiguity, in addition to other information that's best explained by a contradictory scenario.  In that case, I prefer to go with: "You got me."  This is not one of those cases, however.   

[vashts1985]

this and the fact that Aria = Aleena have been discussed thoroughly since the game was released.



both are bioware's style. that's all im saying.

[Kid_SixXx]

PWENER wrote...



Im sick of these "Liara's dad is the bartender" threads. The galaxy isn't that FREAKING small people!!!

Then why does ME2 feature cameos from just about everyone Shep encountered in the first game?

I don't think it is too far fetched for the bartender to be Liara's biological parent. 

The circumstantial evidence makes sense and since nothing in ME seems to come about from pure chance, it may not be coincidental that the matron just happens to be working in a bar right around the corner from Liara's office.

I mean seriously, you find out through conversation that Erinya (the mean Asari working at Baria Frontiers) may very well be the mother of both Nelyna (Shai'ra's greeter) and Saphyria (the receptionist at the Embassy) so yeah, the galaxy really is that small.

Modifié par Kid_SixXx, 25 août 2010 - 02:11 .

[OBakaSama]

Funnily enough my initial thought was Aethyta could be Liara's father.

But the dialogue with Aethyta sort of discounts it though (as PureMethodActor suggests), as there didn't seem to be much hint of a personal relationship. Though the drunken encounter isn't excluded (not necessarily involving Aethyta but another Asari) if Liara was a result of a one-night stand, might explain Benezia's reluctance to talk about Liara's father.

[Nightwriter]

I hope she is her father. Oh, I hope, I hope. I'm just a retard who wants everything to be connected and to chase down every loose end ever even hinted at, okay. And when they give me a question mark, I want to think the answer is something in plain sight. That's the way I am and I do not apologize! Matriarch Aethyta for Liara's daddy!

[TheGreyGhost119]

I doubt that the bartender is going to be Liaras father. Remember that whatever happened to her father hurt Benezia to the point that she would never discuss it with Liara, and becoming a random bartender doesn't strike me as being a very hurtful thing.

[Kid_SixXx]

TheGreyGhost119 wrote...

I doubt that the bartender is going to be Liaras father. Remember that whatever happened to her father hurt Benezia to the point that she would never discuss it with Liara, and becoming a random bartender doesn't strike me as being a very hurtful thing.

Aethyta's revolutionary stance on Asari culture got her exiled.  I'd say that was reason enough for Benezia not to talk about her to Liara.

Rivercurse wrote...

Would make Liaras granfather a krogan, so she would be 1/4 krogan.

Therefore shep and liara's kid is 1/8th krogan

No.  Asari reproduce by sampling DNA and going through a period of parthenogenesis.  The DNA diversification only applies to the immediate offspring. 

Biological traits don't carry through to future generations but psychological traits may pass along to the children. 

This notion is mentioned twice in-game: 

1. Aethyta herself says that although she knows that Asari cannot receive genetic traits from non-Asari parents, she honestly believes she inherited her Krogan father's temper.

2. When you run past the two Asari near the aircar terminal talking about Illium's loose import practices, one makes a slight about the other inheriting her amoral behavioral patterns from a Batarian father.

Modifié par Kid_SixXx, 25 août 2010 - 02:35 .

[JRCHOharry]

This would mean Liara's Grandfather is a Krogan! It all makes sense!

[Sajuro]

JRCHOharry wrote...

This would mean Liara's Grandfather is a Krogan! It all makes sense!

Liara: I am 1/4 Krogan! rawwwr -biotic charge-

[tom.bleaker]

Batarian love song: I Only Have Eyes For You

Krogan love song: Ain't That a Kick in the Quad?

[Nightwriter]

TheGreyGhost119 wrote...

I doubt that the bartender is going to be Liaras father. Remember that whatever happened to her father hurt Benezia to the point that she would never discuss it with Liara, and becoming a random bartender doesn't strike me as being a very hurtful thing.

Actually we don't know what Matriarch Aethyta did before she was a bartender. She's led a long life.

I mean it could be something like Aethyta's becoming a laughingstock hurt Benezia's political career. Or it could be that Aethyta's beliefs conflicted strongly with Benezia's (which they do) and they had a big falling out.

Shut up! I could make it work!

[Sajuro]

Aelthyta: Liara, Benezia never told you what happened to your father



Liara: She told me enough, she said she died!



Aelthyta: No Liara, I am your father!



Liara: noooooooo



Shepard: *leaves to flirt with Tali*

[jklinders]

Kid_SixXx wrote...

PWENER wrote...



Im sick of these "Liara's dad is the bartender" threads. The galaxy isn't that FREAKING small people!!!

Then why does ME2 feature cameos from just about everyone Shep encountered in the first game?

I don't think it is too far fetched for the bartender to be Liara's biological parent. 

The circumstantial evidence makes sense and since nothing in ME seems to come about from pure chance, it may not be coincidental that the matron just happens to be working in a bar right around the corner from Liara's office.

I mean seriously, you find out through conversation that Erinya (the mean Asari working at Baria Frontiers) may very well be the mother of both Nelyna (Shai'ra's greeter) and Saphyria (the receptionist at the Embassy) so yeah, the galaxy really is that small.

The answer you are looking for is a special kind of video game magic called "fan service". Fan service always accounts for all "random" encounters with all previous associations. It is no more or less complicated than that unless the narrative says otherwise, which it has not yet.

[Kid_SixXx]

jklinders wrote...

The answer you are looking for is a special kind of video game magic called "fan service". Fan service always accounts for all "random" encounters with all previous associations. It is no more or less complicated than that unless the narrative says otherwise, which it has not yet.

The reason why really a non-issue.  PWNER's point was that there galaxy was too large for such a coincidence to take place, yet so many chance encounters have take place during the course of the narrative that are directly related to previous events and that is obviously there by design.

We all knew that these callbacks were going to happen so that we could view the aftermath of some of our ME decisions and see some foreshadowing of events to come.

ME3 will have most certainly contain callbacks from ME2, one of which most likely will be with the bartender and we'll find out once and for all what is what either in ME3 or perhaps in the Liara DLC.

The only thing that is out of the scope of possibility are the deaths of key characters.  Anyone who dies during the course of the games will stay dead through the entire series.

Modifié par Kid_SixXx, 25 août 2010 - 04:37 .

[Mallissin]

What the hell? This is like the third thread this week repeating crazy crap I brought up a month or more ago.



I'm starting to feel less unique by the day.

[Shadow_broker]

It's not true Liara's dad is SB

Who isn't a bartender

Modifié par Shadow_broker, 25 août 2010 - 05:07 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

"Liara, I am your motherfather."

[Mallissin]

TheGreyGhost119 wrote...

I doubt that the bartender is going to be Liaras father. Remember that whatever happened to her father hurt Benezia to the point that she would never discuss it with Liara, and becoming a random bartender doesn't strike me as being a very hurtful thing.

A matriarch that's a bar tender...for hundreds of years. Seems pretty shameful to me.

[Shadow_broker]

Mallissin wrote...

TheGreyGhost119 wrote...

I doubt that the bartender is going to be Liaras father. Remember that whatever happened to her father hurt Benezia to the point that she would never discuss it with Liara, and becoming a random bartender doesn't strike me as being a very hurtful thing.

A matriarch that's a bar tender...for hundreds of years. Seems pretty shameful to me.

I think it's a bit more shameful if your a respected mother had emotional asari love child with the most powerful criminal in the galaxy

I also think that the collectors orginally found shepard with SB information since that was never expalined and they couldn't find them the second time till they got a reaper IFF tracking device

[Shadow_broker]

I posted my SB dad theory not long ago but hehre's a recap

SB and saren(who was followed by benezia) were once allies but then Saren betrayed SB, I think it's possible that SB wanted some kind of treaty to keep Liara safe from her mother, and when he was betrayed the Tali data was important to him so maybe he could hold something against Saren to keep Liara safe

SB takes a unhealthy intrest in getting rid of shepard, I think the reason for this Maybe that shepard brought Liara out of a quiet prothean digging archeolgist dig and into a suicidal rogue spectre hunt and Liara was quiet obssesed with him, he also killed/kidnapped Feron who Liara was close to

Liaras dad is a mysterious character yet to be revealed, but was very intresting that Bioware said benezia was ashamed possibly due to pureblood thing, But if you love somone enough to have asari love child with them that seems abit petty to keep that secret, I think it's possible benezia kept that from her to keep her away from her fathers life

[Mallissin]

You're only pushing for a Shadow Broker's Liara's father retcon because you want to bang Benezia.



I feel for you, but NO NO NO NO!

[PsyrenY]

didymos1120 wrote...

Notice, I said it's not good evidence for either.

Notice that *I* said I hadn't decided one way or the other. Are you always this confrontational? I feel like you're trying to start an argument with me for argument's sake.

[Nightwriter]

Ew. Do not bang Benezia. Her boobs will eat you.



Also, on a side note, she is dead. Necrophilia is bad.