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Chignon wrote...
A new question:

Do you want to see decision you've made in ME2 referred to? For example, on Lorek where you can decide to send information that could be harmful to Cerberus to Alliance command?


YES!  :D

That's what I loved about Lair of the Shadow Broker, and that's what I would love in VS DLC.

And mentioning something like Lorek would be really cool.
Maybe the Collector Base too, should Shepard decide to tell Kaid & Ash.

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I miss my space marines too.



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And please don't feed the troll. Please?

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Brodyaha wrote...

Chignon wrote...
A new question:

Do you want to see decision you've made in ME2 referred to? For example, on Lorek where you can decide to send information that could be harmful to Cerberus to Alliance command?


YES!  :D

That's what I loved about Lair of the Shadow Broker, and that's what I would love in VS DLC.

And mentioning something like Lorek would be really cool.
Maybe the Collector Base too, should Shepard decide to tell Kaid & Ash.


Given Bioware's extreme reluctance to make DLC that must be played post-SM (maybe there's a practical reason for it, who knows, they don't talk to us) I wouldn't expect something like this. I think it would be a good addition, but I wouldn't expect it to be included. But that's just me.

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I would also like the option to have Shepard cry if Virmire is referenced......
Maybe as an ultra-paragon or ultra renegade choice? (aka left-dialogue wheel choice)
And not outright with, [Cry], but a choice like, [Virmire still haunts me] or [I killed Kaidan/Ashley]

Shepard is human, and humans produce tears.  And I didn't see enough of Shep's humanity in ME2.

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On a separate note: I understand some people might not want to roleplay their Shepards that way. I wouldn't be surprised if some stuff is left vague.



That being said, one thing that is important, that I loved in ME1 but was missing in ME2: divergent dialogue paths. In ME1, the dialogue and story truly branched out in some areas. Noveria has several different ways to conquer Peak 15: you can go to the Hot Labs first and have to face staff, you can break in straight away and have to face staff, or you can go the easier route and help the staff and get a pass into where Benezia is. Depending on how you speak to Kaidan, he may not even mention Rahna in later conversations. When he mentions Vyrnnus breaking arms, he can either say, "he hurt Rahna; broker her arm," or, "he hurt a girl; broke her arm." Small change, big difference.



In ME2, Shepard could respond, but outcomes were the same for the most part. Either a paragon ending or a renegade ending, not multiple endings. Lair of the Shadow Broker, although amazing, was even more streamlined. Shepard's responses only really mattered when she was talking with Liara.



I want different decision options in DLC reminiscent of ME1, in terms of replayability.



Of course, it's only DLC, so I shouldn't get too greedy.

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I'm most concerned (besides of course, having a quality DLC with the VS in it and in character) about having moral ambiguous choice(s) in the DLC.

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Now that new DLC has finally been announced, here's hoping the next one will be Ashley and Kaidan. Alternate Appearance Pack 2 is out on February 8th.

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Appearance pack -__-' that sure made my day... -sigh-

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close2myheart wrote...

Appearance pack -__-' that sure made my day... -sigh-


Well, it's not on the top of my want list, but I do want armor, real armor, for the group who forgot to pack it.  So while not jumping up and down, I'm smiling.  :)

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I really hope they remember Ash and Kaidan are not twins and do not think alike or talk alike. They react to things differently and in a dlc story content with them in it, this should be apparent.

That is the one thing I agree others about Horizon, They used Ash as the base and just plucked Kaidan in. I didn't hate it, but it could have been better.

I also hope they have reasonable choices for talking about Horizon. 1) we can work this out; 2) we've both moved on 3) you didn't trust me go back to whatever.

I was happy with shadow broker, I hope I'm happy with anything they do with K and A. Really really hope I'm happy.






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I chose to save Ashley in my game in ME1 even if I chose Liara as my Shep's love interest. I don't know, I was compelled to let her live. She was an interesting character, I was curious about her family background and her being a devout believer of God. I wanted her to be Shep's friend :)



I'm curious on how Bioware responded to this thread, can anyone here kindly link me to which page any of the devs replied? Thank you.

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yesikareyes wrote...

I chose to save Ashley in my game in ME1 even if I chose Liara as my Shep's love interest. I don't know, I was compelled to let her live. She was an interesting character, I was curious about her family background and her being a devout believer of God. I wanted her to be Shep's friend :)

I'm curious on how Bioware responded to this thread, can anyone here kindly link me to which page any of the devs replied? Thank you.


It was just Chris Priestly saying he wouldn't sticky the thread, if I recall.

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I'm wondering, how will you guys react if VS appear in next DLC as ... Alliance emissary with order to arrest you?

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Wizz wrote...

I'm wondering, how will you guys react if VS appear in next DLC as ... Alliance emissary with order to arrest you?


I think we've discussed this at length in the previous pages. Basically, we're opposed.

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Wizz wrote...

I'm wondering, how will you guys react if VS appear in next DLC as ... Alliance emissary with order to arrest you?


I won't be happy.  They did the arrest thing in DA and it was ok because no matter how you played, Loghain was going to try and stop you.  But with Shepard, depending on how you play, there are choices that would make being arrested dumb.  I have Shepard's that were reinstated as spectre, sent the information to the alliance and destroyed the base.      
Whatever they do, the story should make sense no matter what your choices were and to me being arrested does not fit that bill.

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Thanks for the info!



Well being arrested? That would be cool but I think that would be cool if it weren't too late in the trilogy. Maybe the DLC will feature more of the other species reaction to the Reaper threat amidst the growing political heat. It's nice if the VS would be like part of a hearing wherein he or she will be one of the representatives of the Alliance and they will actually help you rally allies after a confrontation where you explain everything that happens in two years. Would be cool if you catch up in Flux or something.



I'm leaning towards more story and less combat or none.

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Wizz wrote...

I'm wondering, how will you guys react if VS appear in next DLC as ... Alliance emissary with order to arrest you?


Honestly, I wouldn't like it. If they made the VS into a villain who had to be 'defeated' then I would hate it because its basically fan service to all the trolls who have been playing the Ron the Death Eater card against both characters for the past year now.
Plus if they did just end up going evil and the Alliance ends up betraying you then well, it contradicts a lot of things. Ashley/Kaiden if romanced apologized for their behavior on Horizon and by reporting what happened there it actually confirmed the story about the Collectors to the Alliance. Ashley/Kaidan even tried to find evidence to support you to the Council but couldn't find any. Anderson is on your side, Hackett is on your side and Ashley/Kaidan... regardless of what the idiots of the web might shout, is on your side.
To have all that get pushed on its head and have them revert back to all being 'enemies who betry Shepard/deny the reapers' would be just too much of a ****** off for me. Now is the time to fix things, not make them worse.

And the thing is, no matter WHAT Bioware does in that situation to make Ashley/Kaidan redeemable for trying to arrest Shepard (if they even would) doesn't matter. Because once the haters have something that even slightly validates their argument, they will milk it beyond belief.
Hell, I've seen them make fan fiction where they re-write Horizon to have it basically say that Ashley denied the existence of the Reapers at Shepard's funeral so that really *she* is the traitor. And then I read the comments and everyone is agreeing with it and saying that yes she *is* a traitor. So they made a complete fabrication, then made it evidence. It's pathetic really, but it's a sign that once the idiot haters get rolling, there's no stopping them.
So the last thing I want to see is ANYTHING that gives them even a GLIMPSE at the satisfaction of having even one tiny part of their stance verified.

Now on the other hand if said Virmire Survivor was involved in bringing Shepard in in order to allow him to plead his case on working with Cerberus, the Collectors, the Lazarus Project and even the Reaper threat in a public trial. And that Ashley/Kaidan is working with Anderson to help find that evidence and assist you in the coming trial in order to clear your name and try to finally make public the truth about the Reapers an in the process bring peace back to the turbulant relationship that Shepard and the VS started with, that's something I could go for.

So yeah, basically I'd like to see something like what that devishly handsome and charismatic young Krogan said quite a few pages ago.
Brilliant man, that guy.:whistle:

Modifié par V-rex, 02 février 2011 - 03:19 .


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Ok, I understand your opinion. Kaidan and Ash are very loyal soldiers, so I just would like to see what would they do in such situation.

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Arrest?



Well, Ashley/Kaidan will have to explain to whoever sent them how the other Alliance Marines they probably brought with them tripped and fell on some bullets.

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maybe you can go on an hour long picnic with your VS?

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Cossack72 wrote...

Arrest?

Well, Ashley/Kaidan will have to explain to whoever sent them how the other Alliance Marines they probably brought with them tripped and fell on some bullets.


They wouldn't do that to fellow marines.  

But I don't think they would arrest Shepard either.  They may go into it not having made a decision about it but option to at least speak with Shepard first.  At least if they did that I would hope that's how they handled it.  I dunno.  Ash and Kaidan haven't gotten a whole of of positive attention from Bioware thus far.  So I feel like it would be just kind of cruel if they decided to make them full jerk.  I'm opposed to that option.

But I am curious to see how Shepard's relationship with the Alliance in general as well as Ash and Kaidan works out.  Hopefully we'll have a little more of a proactive option instead of "good to see you"  "yes, Cerberus...u mad, bro?" and "NOW I UNDAHSTAND WHY YOU CRY, BUT IT IS SOMEZING I CAN NEVAH DO."

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Badpie wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

Arrest?

Well, Ashley/Kaidan will have to explain to whoever sent them how the other Alliance Marines they probably brought with them tripped and fell on some bullets.


They wouldn't do that to fellow marines.  

But I don't think they would arrest Shepard either.  They may go into it not having made a decision about it but option to at least speak with Shepard first.  At least if they did that I would hope that's how they handled it.  I dunno.  Ash and Kaidan haven't gotten a whole of of positive attention from Bioware thus far.  So I feel like it would be just kind of cruel if they decided to make them full jerk.  I'm opposed to that option.

But I am curious to see how Shepard's relationship with the Alliance in general as well as Ash and Kaidan works out.  Hopefully we'll have a little more of a proactive option instead of "good to see you"  "yes, Cerberus...u mad, bro?" and "NOW I UNDAHSTAND WHY YOU CRY, BUT IT IS SOMEZING I CAN NEVAH DO."


GEWDBYE.

I will rage if there is a thumbs up towards the end of a VS DLC :lol:

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Here is somebody's words I swiped from a different thread, but I do think it pertains to DLC:

Kim Shepard wrote...
It's annoying when the game forces Shepard to like someone, even more so if Shepard can go the whole game (or two) without saying one nice thing to them, because then it's also out of character. I like the option for Shepard to show emotion about the squadmates, but I don't want it to be a requirement.


I know that Kaidan and Ashley have gotten the short end of the stick, and I am a huge advocate of Shepard showing more emotion in Mass Effect, but that doesn't mean Shepard should suddenly get all reminiscent when talking with Ashley or Kaidan, or say how much she misses them. I understand that not all people's Shepards are played that way.

This is why it is imperative that BioWare use the dialogue wheel to its full degree. But it's as much for the player as it is for Ashley and Kaidan. Many people were angry at how Liara was portrayed in the PS3 comic; with the description of her, and the implied emotion, it felt like she was the defacto LI.  It also happened in Lair of the  Shadow Broker to an extent as well.

I don't want haters hating Kaidan and Ashley even more because their Shepard shows emotion for two characters that they or their Shepard might not even like.

Hopefully that makes sense.

Modifié par Brodyaha, 03 février 2011 - 02:13 .


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Brodyaha wrote...

Here is somebody's words I swiped from a different thread, but I do think it pertains to DLC:

Kim Shepard wrote...
It's annoying when the game forces Shepard to like someone, even more so if Shepard can go the whole game (or two) without saying one nice thing to them, because then it's also out of character. I like the option for Shepard to show emotion about the squadmates, but I don't want it to be a requirement.


I know that Kaidan and Ashley have gotten the short end of the stick, and I am a huge advocate of Shepard showing more emotion in Mass Effect, but that doesn't mean Shepard should suddenly get all reminiscent when talking with Ashley or Kaidan, or say how much she misses them. I understand that not all people's Shepards are played that way.

This is why it is imperative that BioWare use the dialogue wheel to its full degree. But it's as much for the player as it is for Ashley and Kaidan. Many people were angry at how Liara was portrayed in the PS3 comic; with the description of her, and the implied emotion, it felt like she was the defacto LI.

I don't want haters hating Kaidan and Ashley even more because their Shepard has emotion for two characters that they or their Shepard might not even like.

Hopefully that makes sense.


I think it makes sense. I know I have a Shepard who would never say "Any friend of yours is a friend of mine," to Liara, or want to be hugging her on Illium for that matter. But then the you have no choice in the matter. That's fine, I understand why they did things that way, but they could still do better by the people who want to RP differently.

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Badpie wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

Arrest?

Well, Ashley/Kaidan will have to explain to whoever sent them how the other Alliance Marines they probably brought with them tripped and fell on some bullets.


They wouldn't do that to fellow marines.  

But I don't think they would arrest Shepard either.  They may go into it not having made a decision about it but option to at least speak with Shepard first.  At least if they did that I would hope that's how they handled it.  I dunno.  Ash and Kaidan haven't gotten a whole of of positive attention from Bioware thus far.  So I feel like it would be just kind of cruel if they decided to make them full jerk.  I'm opposed to that option.

But I am curious to see how Shepard's relationship with the Alliance in general as well as Ash and Kaidan works out.  Hopefully we'll have a little more of a proactive option instead of "good to see you"  "yes, Cerberus...u mad, bro?" and "NOW I UNDAHSTAND WHY YOU CRY, BUT IT IS SOMEZING I CAN NEVAH DO."


A way of making it work is to use a similar method to Tali loyatly mission. To ha ve them to talk in your favour, i,e they basicaly belive you more so if romanced and stayed loyal. In same way you did for tali,  But be far less beliving if betrayed.  They difficulity is making their a risk and reward and choice for the DLC. to make sense as you if do don't work with alliance, ****** off Ash/Kadian it could have an effect. A prove your loyatly task could be intergrated into this court marshal with Ash/Kadian with you.