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[jeweledleah]

Chignon wrote...

I agree completely, Brody.
And while we are on the topic: Please, no grovelling at Shepard's feet for having a different opinion, yes? Thank you.

oh yes, and actualy I would prefer there to be no groveling on either side. neither Shep nor Ashley nor Kaidan are the groveling type - they are stick by their principles kind.   yelling - sure, attempt at a quite logical discussion - of course, even an opportunity to do some chewing out on either side and dump or not dump (I won't take that option myself, but different people see horizon diffeently, even if I think they are wrong >_>)

P.S.  Tali and Garrus chewing up VS for not coming along with Shep?  not gelling for me.  however, Tali and Garrus chewing out VS for not giving Shep chance to explain as well as giving their own reasons why they came along despite both being very suspicious of Cerberus?  that's more like it.

[Lord Zeuss]

Option to end a romance with Kaidan/Ashley in DLC? Heck yes. I wouldn't, personally, but the option should be included, as it should have been in Lair. Really, the "consequences" for unfaithful Sheps was quite laughable, I'd prefer that Virmire Survivor DLC take a more hard line.

[Pwener2313]

I'd like a plot involving the Batarians and the possiblity to stop them once and for all.

[Tilarta]

Well, I imagine it might go like this:

Garrus seems very pragmatic and interested in maintaining a good team dynamic, so he'd be okay with the VS returning.
Tali seems a lot more hot tempered, so she'd probably throw around a few impolite Quarian words, then question their courage and/or loyalty.

I expect it'll be handled with a Paragon/Neutral/Renegade choice:

Let's all be friends (Paragon)
This isn't about our issues (Neutral)
You had your chance to join us on Horizon and we got the job done without you, so who needs you now? (Renegade)

I'm going to go with Paragon in this scenario.


As for the Batarians, I anticipate that'll be a Mass Effect 3 scenario, not a DLC one.
I'm expecting ME3 to be about rallying the various galactic powers to fight the Reapers.
And a major part of that will be convincing the Batarians to join their fight and make their peace with the Alliance/Council.
I'm also expecting that will be similar to the suicide mission deal, the more races you have on your side, the higher your chances of success will be.

To anyone who killed the Rachni Queen, you lose that bonus........


So I doubt the Batarian situation will be addressed in this DLC or any other DLC.

[trobbins777]

 People always question the VS's loyalty to Shepard. Saying that they betrayed them. However, the truth is that the VS is the most loyal person to Shepard. After Shepard died what did the rest of the crew do? Garrus went to go play hero on omega, Tali went back to the flotilla to do grunt work for them. Liara helped us get our body back which is a plus, but then she went off on her own selfish quest for revenge. Everyone just went their separate ways leaving the VS by themselves saying "Uh.... Hello does the term Reapers mean anything to you?".


 Then comes Horizon. one of the biggest kick in the balls a game has ever given me. Uh-oh the Illusive Man warning me of an attack on a colony where the VS is. "They may be going after her/him to get to you" he says. Leaving me thinking oh shi-.  Then there is a cutscene of the VS being frozen by collector swarms. Once again i'm thinking oh shi- Then after one of the HARDEST LEVELS AND BOSS IN THE GAME. We finally find out that they didn't get captured. Yay! Only to have Bioware yank out the carpet from under us and ruin what should have been a very touching moment. What pisses me off the most about this is i'm more than certain that this was done to give people a excuse to try out the other LI's. Bioware i don't want a new LI i want my old one back!

Modifié par trobbins777, 11 février 2011 - 01:28 .

[SilentK]

Yes =) that's pretty much how I see it. And remember, just because they are on horizon now doesn't mean that they have been sitting there twiddling their thumbs for the last two year. It would be fun to know a little more from Kaidan and Ash what they have been working with. Hopefully that will be one of the things you can talk to them about.

[Darthbill52]

trobbins777 wrote...

 Then after one of the HARDEST LEVELS AND BOSS IN THE GAME. We finally find out that they didn't get captured. Yay! Only to have Bioware yank out the carpet from under us and ruin what should have been a very touching moment. What pisses me off the most about this is i'm more than certain that this was done to give people a excuse to try out the other LI's. Bioware i don't want a new LI i want my old one back!

I just Finished Horizon a few days ago on another playthtough, and that contraption comes back later in the derlect collector vessel.  But yeah I agree its like making the person we cared for in ME1 a total tool and to some of us that makes the warm clinging catsuits of certian Cerbrus operatives look really good right now.   I felt i was a cheap shot as well, I know it other parts of forum space(definatily not this one) people this ash is racist.  I am like ookkkkay, talk to them some of the most meanful conversations I have seen in a video game rpg (and I have played alot) comes from Chief Williams.  it seemed bioware wanted you to play indiana jones or another famous agent who ends in 7, new movie, new roll in the hay.  Thats my two cents anyhow

[Darthbill52]

Pwener2313 wrote...

I'd like a plot involving the Batarians and the possiblity to stop them once and for all.

Sorry for two posts in a row but yeah perfect, combine two plot holes from me1 left out of me2 , your VS DLC make it a mission to finish bring down the sky bring Barakk to justice. 

Great tagline

"As An old foe comes for revenge.... a old friend comes along to help you kick Batarian **** " 

[Therefore_I_Am]

Ashley won't grovel... She'll be extremely stubborn... as all women are...
It was really girl-like for her to apologize via mail.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 11 février 2011 - 03:27 .

[jeweledleah]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Ashley won't grovel... She'll be extremely stubborn... as all women are...
It was really girl-like for her to apologize via mail.

to quote Ash herself  "Just because I can drill you in a head from 100 meters away, doesn't mean I cannot be sensitive"

[LessThanKate]

V-rex wrote...

I just a read a (absolutely awful really)
piece of fan fiction about Ashley returning to the crew of the Normandy
and then getting chewed out by Garrus and Tali for not listening to
Shepard on Horizon.
*snip*

Ugh, that does sound awful. You have my condolences. Personally, I'm afraid too look for fanfiction for fear...well, that.


I'm okay with a litte initial uneasiness, but...the other squadmates have no right. Most of the squad members in the first game were recruited as an act of faith. Now things are reversed; Garrus and Tali are with Shepard, and Ash/Kaid (may) be recruited. They were given no hostility when they joined, it would be hypocritcal if they assaulted new-old squad members. 

Tali didn't even join at the first opportunity. Granted, she said she wanted to and later said se should have, but she had her own obligations. That is exactly the case with the VS, and I would like to think she's one of the more...understanding characters.

And I as much as I love Garrus, I was a touch disappointed when he essentially disregarded all that my Paragon Shepard taught him, so I especially don't think he's in any position to judge. It's fine that he couldn't have faith in what he worked with, but Ashley and Kaiden obviously do, and when you want have someone join your cause, you don't bash them, you try to convince them to see things your way.

As for Joker and Chakwas, what little they spoke of the VS was positive, so I'd like to think any tensions would be cancelled out by their happiness to be working together again.

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Ashley won't grovel... She'll be extremely stubborn... as all women are...
It was really girl-like for her to apologize via mail.

A little, I guess, but with top secret missions in space and all that, I don't see many other options. She doesn't like to hold grudges, so I thought it was in character to get her feelings out before they fester into something worse. Even if--in the case of many Shepards--her words fell upon deaf ears, she at least tried.

Although that reminds me of one thing I've come to respect Ashley for. Aside from Samara (another favorite of mine), I do believe she's the only female squad member that doesn't cry. Granted, some of the women only do it during their romance scenes and we never actually see Tali do it (I'm counting sobbing). Now, there's nothing inherently wrong with it--I'm a big crybaby myself--but I found it a little annoying that most of the women can cry at some point but only one man does...some of them may not be physically capble of doing so.

So if and when there's a reunion DLC...no tears. Not from Ash, anyway...I think it might be more in character for Kaiden. At least that would level things a bit.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 11 février 2011 - 06:21 .

[Slayer299]

My wish is for their to *be* an Ash/Kaiden DLC, if it's the level of quality of LotSB I'll be ecstatic.

[V_Burgh]

I would definitely love to see some DLC love for Ash and Kaidan. The original poster sums up great ideas and how it should be handled quite well. Maybe there could be some kind of mission to take out a heretic geth stronghold or a newly discovered krogan cloning facility of Saren's that plays into Collectors and or Reapers in someway to give comminality in their goals. Heck we could even just have another bigbad moronic Cerberus facility that's gotten out of control and needs to be shut down (Is it just me or is the Illusive man the most ineffective and incompetent leader ever?). Whichever human companion survived is requesting help from Shepard in order to shut this facility down. They could join as a temporary squad member and during the course of the mission you can reminisce about the other person who didn't survive Virmire in a nostalgic and respectful manner. At the end of the mission if you were in a romantic relationship with them you can get a chance to patch things up. The whole dialogue on Horizon was frankly awful during the reunion. Give Shepard a chance to explain to his friend or "former" lover why he was truly with Cerberus and how he feels about and or misses them. One of the exceptionally downplayed aspects of Shepard's revival dialogue wise was the fact that Shep's been dead for 2 years. Shepard couldn't possibly understand the feelings of his former squad mates. Shep probably hasn't even fully processed the fact that they've been dead for 2 years and most of the time it came up in the game it was sort of joked off or brushed aside. Hell spaceborn Shep doesn't even contact their mother to let her know they are alive!

P.S. If someone has already stated all this same stuff sorry for copying I didn't bother reading all 109 pages of posts just the original poster.

[LessThanKate]

Slayer299 wrote...

My wish is for their to *be* an Ash/Kaiden DLC, if it's the level of quality of LotSB I'll be ecstatic.

If there is one, I feel it would have to be of LotSB at the very least. Ashley and Kaiden are not the most popular characters and Horizon did them no favors. We need something that really shows how capable and badass they are. It may be to much too ask for something that will convert the non-belivers, but...if nothing else, something to win back those who were disheartened by their short appearance in the game. Something to prove the VS still cares for Shepard and is still working for the same goal, even with different means.

Plus, with ME3 on the way, this could possibly be the last bit of DLC. It would need to be something wonderful: opening the way for the sequel, making us want more, but without leaving us more confused than before.

Don't go all Witch Hunt on me, Bioware XD

Modifié par LessThanKate, 11 février 2011 - 05:55 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Option to end a romance with Kaidan/Ashley in DLC? Heck yes. I wouldn't, personally, but the option should be included, as it should have been in Lair. Really, the "consequences" for unfaithful Sheps was quite laughable, I'd prefer that Virmire Survivor DLC take a more hard line.

There shouldn't be any consequences for taking a new LI in Me2, IMO. The reunion with both Liara and Ashley were written in such a way that Shep ends up getting the cold shoulder from his previous LI, and there is no indication that either of them is interested in restarting their relationship with him or her. That, and even marriage vows state 'till death do us part,' and Shep was dead for 2 years.

By any definition of the term Shep doesn't cheat if he takes a new LI in ME2. That isn't to say that your ME1 LI should be totally cool with it, as people are often irrational and jealous creatures. But any negative reactions from them should be portrayed as such, rather than justified anger at Shep's supposed infidelity. You have to be in a relationship to be unfaithful and Shepard wasn't in one in ME2.

That being said, if people played through LotSB before the suicide mission and restarted their relationship with Liara, only to sleep with one of the potential ME2 LI's before going through the Omega IV relay, they cheated. Likewise if the new DLC deals with the Virmire survivor and presents the opputunity to rekindle a relationship with Ash or Kaidan, doing so only to sleep with someone else *after* that would be cheating. But not before.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 11 février 2011 - 07:58 .

[SilentK]

Hmm.... I think I would have to agree to disagree on that one Aedan     but that's what's good about this game. We can play it differently

Edit:  added what I thought

I feel that my shepard is still in a relationship even when she wakes up and after virmire   =)  but that's just me the hopeless romantic   

Modifié par SilentK, 11 février 2011 - 11:36 .

[jeweledleah]

to add to what silentK is saying



its been a months or so for Shepard since their death, not over 2 years. if they are so fickle as to give up on such a recent relationship, after one argument and despite the letter showing interest from their LI (and since its been over 2 years for their LI and they are still interested, it only highlights Shep's fickleness) - they deserve the consequence. it IS in a way cheating and it should make VS righteously angry and result in some sort of negative consequence, because it shows that maybe they were right to distrust Shepard and they are very much not the person they knew over 2 years ago.



VS had more justification to start the new relationship then Shepard ever did because for them it really was "death do us part" and a LOT more time has passed for them.



now, depending on how you play your Shepard, maybe they didn't even have deep feelings for VS to begin with, so you feel that you're more then justified to start something new, taking Horizon as an official breakup, and that's your prerogative. it just doesn't diminish what I've mentioned above (and should be an added sense of disappointment/consequences for VS, as you basically deceived them even 2 years ago)

[Slayer299]

LessThanKate wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

My wish is for their to *be* an Ash/Kaiden DLC, if it's the level of quality of LotSB I'll be ecstatic.

If there is one, I feel it would have to be of LotSB at the very least. Ashley and Kaiden are not the most popular characters and Horizon did them no favors. We need something that really shows how capable and badass they are. It may be to much too ask for something that will convert the non-belivers, but...if nothing else, something to win back those who were disheartened by their short appearance in the game. Something to prove the VS still cares for Shepard and is still working for the same goal, even with different means.

Plus, with ME3 on the way, this could possibly be the last bit of DLC. It would need to be something wonderful: opening the way for the sequel, making us want more, but without leaving us more confused than before.

Don't go all Witch Hunt on me, Bioware XD

I think if BW did that they'd have Ash/Kaiden fans storming Canada with torches and pitchforks!

[close2myheart]

trobbins777 wrote...

 People always question the VS's loyalty to Shepard. Saying that they betrayed them. However, the truth is that the VS is the most loyal person to Shepard. After Shepard died what did the rest of the crew do? Garrus went to go play hero on omega, Tali went back to the flotilla to do grunt work for them. Liara helped us get our body back which is a plus, but then she went off on her own selfish quest for revenge. Everyone just went their separate ways leaving the VS by themselves saying "Uh.... Hello does the term Reapers mean anything to you?".


 Then comes Horizon. one of the biggest kick in the balls a game has ever given me. Uh-oh the Illusive Man warning me of an attack on a colony where the VS is. "They may be going after her/him to get to you" he says. Leaving me thinking oh shi-.  Then there is a cutscene of the VS being frozen by collector swarms. Once again i'm thinking oh shi- Then after one of the HARDEST LEVELS AND BOSS IN THE GAME. We finally find out that they didn't get captured. Yay! Only to have Bioware yank out the carpet from under us and ruin what should have been a very touching moment. What pisses me off the most about this is i'm more than certain that this was done to give people a excuse to try out the other LI's. Bioware i don't want a new LI i want my old one back!

Sir (or Ma'am ), can I shake your hand?
I was mulling over onto what to write something along those lines but you nailed it right on.

And about the reaction between VS and the Crew...
   I personally can't see the remaining squaddies chewing out at the VS, especially Garrus & Tali (maybe some tense argument if Shep 'moved on' with Garrus/Tali). So far, fights between crew members are between Miranda vs Jack (Jack confronts a Cerberus loyalist, because Cerberus did horible things to her in the past) and Legion vs Tali (due to the on-going war between Quarian & the Geth) But the VS? What on Citadel Space did the VS do to cause Shep & the current SR2 crew members such great harm to warrant them a beating? Disloyal? Please, they are Marines under oath to serve and be loyal to the Alliance. Heck, if Shep didn't mean anything to them, they would've make an attempt to bring him/her in for questioning due to the ties with Cerberus.

Between Shep and the VS...
    I don't think either side should grovel for forgiveness. A heart-felt explanation that can end up with a renegade response, paragon interrupt kisses or bro-hug, sure. But no begging. Both of them did what they must and sometimes that means mission over personal feelings. That is called professionalism.

And yes I also agree that Horizon is more like a plot device to start a clean-slate, a break-off point from the ME1 LI's to try out the new ME2 LI's. I understand that the 'clean-slate' is needed, but I wish they could've done it more eloquently (.. or just add an option to reply K/A's e-mail to either break up or make up. Then again, spaceborn Shep didn't even give a word to mom )

Just my ramblings, sorry for the wall o' text
  

[Cossack72]

close2myheart wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

 People always question the VS's loyalty to Shepard. Saying that they betrayed them. However, the truth is that the VS is the most loyal person to Shepard. After Shepard died what did the rest of the crew do? Garrus went to go play hero on omega, Tali went back to the flotilla to do grunt work for them. Liara helped us get our body back which is a plus, but then she went off on her own selfish quest for revenge. Everyone just went their separate ways leaving the VS by themselves saying "Uh.... Hello does the term Reapers mean anything to you?".


 Then comes Horizon. one of the biggest kick in the balls a game has ever given me. Uh-oh the Illusive Man warning me of an attack on a colony where the VS is. "They may be going after her/him to get to you" he says. Leaving me thinking oh shi-.  Then there is a cutscene of the VS being frozen by collector swarms. Once again i'm thinking oh shi- Then after one of the HARDEST LEVELS AND BOSS IN THE GAME. We finally find out that they didn't get captured. Yay! Only to have Bioware yank out the carpet from under us and ruin what should have been a very touching moment. What pisses me off the most about this is i'm more than certain that this was done to give people a excuse to try out the other LI's. Bioware i don't want a new LI i want my old one back!

Sir (or Ma'am ), can I shake your hand?
I was mulling over onto what to write something along those lines but you nailed it right on.

And about the reaction between VS and the Crew...
   I personally can't see the remaining squaddies chewing out at the VS, especially Garrus & Tali (maybe some tense argument if Shep 'moved on' with Garrus/Tali). So far, fights between crew members are between Miranda vs Jack (Jack confronts a Cerberus loyalist, because Cerberus did horible things to her in the past) and Legion vs Tali (due to the on-going war between Quarian & the Geth) But the VS? What on Citadel Space did the VS do to cause Shep & the current SR2 crew members such great harm to warrant them a beating? Disloyal? Please, they are Marines under oath to serve and be loyal to the Alliance. Heck, if Shep didn't mean anything to them, they would've make an attempt to bring him/her in for questioning due to the ties with Cerberus.

Between Shep and the VS...
    I don't think either side should grovel for forgiveness. A heart-felt explanation that can end up with a renegade response, paragon interrupt kisses or bro-hug, sure. But no begging. Both of them did what they must and sometimes that means mission over personal feelings. That is called professionalism.

And yes I also agree that Horizon is more like a plot device to start a clean-slate, a break-off point from the ME1 LI's to try out the new ME2 LI's. I understand that the 'clean-slate' is needed, but I wish they could've done it more eloquently (.. or just add an option to reply K/A's e-mail to either break up or make up. Then again, spaceborn Shep didn't even give a word to mom )

Just my ramblings, sorry for the wall o' text
  

I wanna tell my Mass Effect Momma I'm okay too

And then send her some flowers and tell her I've met the girl of my dreams

[Tilarta]

I don't harbor any hostility towards Ashley (sorry Kaiden fans, he didn't make it in my version of the game).

I was disappointed she didn't come with us though, but I'm having Grunt hold that torch of hope up for her recruitment.
I would carry it myself, but it's very big and too heavy for me. 

Even if I can't recruit her, I still want a reconciliation.
And a big long conversation.
About what doesn't matter, just as long as we get to talk and hug.


As for the Illusive Man, here's the rules you should follow:
1. Do not give him Reaper or Collector technology to study.
2. If he sends you on a mission, expect to be ambushed, trapped and nearly killed. Wild Goose chasing is optional.....
3. Do not trust him!

E.D.I. is the only Reaper project Cerberus ever made that didn't blow up in their face one way or another.

Let's review:
Derelict Reaper IFF Retrieval: Science team indoctrinated and turned into Husks.
Reaper Avatar conversion project: Grayson killed everyone he fought and nearly delivered the Ascension base to the Reapers. Not to mention all the information they acquired using him while he was still alive.

I'm now picturing this scene:

Shepherd, Miranda and Ashley standing around the mission table.
Shepherd: The Illusive Man forwarded this mission update, this is our target, Ashley, what are you looking at?
Ashley (holding up PADD): Sorry Ma'am, I was reviewing the mission reports Miranda made available
(pauses, then scrolls back and forth several times)
Ashley: I'm going to need extra heat sinks. Do you have a spare heavy weapon I can borrow?

[CARL_DF90]

I'm just waiting for GDC to arrive. My gut has been telling me that is when we will get news of the next (and possibly final) story bridging DLC for ME2. My gut has been right so far and I'd hate to see such a good track record be ruined.