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[Chignon]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

If the Reapers are involved, you can bet that the Virmire Survivor will be there investigating for the Human Systems Alliance. Whether or not they will be a squad mate or just a cutscene will remain to be seen until its release. *crosses fingers*

I hope you're right but we'll see what'll happen.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I hope it does feature Ashley/Kaidan. And the remaining one dies. Loose thread trimmed!

If we go by that logic, why not kill all the ME2 squadmates off? Even more loose threads trimmed.

Edit

Snuggels wrote...



Ash: Eh , should we storm the BioWare Headquater?
Kaidan:


I hope there will be finally a announcement after the DA2 release, the waiting cracks me up

Love it, Snuggels!

Modifié par Chignon, 21 février 2011 - 11:23 .

[upsettingshorts]

Chignon wrote...

If we go by that logic, why not kill all the ME2 squadmates off? Even more loose threads trimmed.

You're not following the logic, then.  Because I'm not talking about ME2 squadmates.  As far as ME1 ones...

Garrus and Tali are part of the team.  Wrex has something to do - we can talk to him about it - but he's taken care of if he's already dead (a certain Wreav).  Liara is active in hunting the Shadow Broker and follows through in LOTSB.  The Virmire survivor?  A whole lot of nothing, especially since their "investigation" on Horizon hit a dead end. 

Garrus, Tali, Liara and to a lesser extent Wrex all have threads that have been tied into the story in some way.  Ashley and or Kaidan are just hanging there.  Makes a convenient premise for fanfiction, sure, because there's no way to contradict nothing.

Edit: Forgot Tali, because she's so forgettable.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 février 2011 - 11:32 .

[Xewaka]

Chignon wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
I hope it does feature Ashley/Kaidan. And the remaining one dies. Loose thread trimmed!

If we go by that logic, why not kill all the ME2 squadmates off? Even more loose threads trimmed.

Well, they will need to introduce the SR3 and reset Shepard for ME 3, so... The opportunity paints itself.

[Chignon]

The argument still stands whether it is what you meant or not.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The Virmire survivor?  A whole lot of nothing, especially since their "investigation" on Horizon hit a dead end.

And you know that how, exactly?

Did you manage to get past Anderson's stonewalling? Did you manage to stop Kaidan/Ash from walking off and explain everything to Shepard? Or did you perhaps meet them later on in the game and got them to discuss all the intel they've gathered after Shepard's death, Horizon and other classified assignments they've been sent on?

Modifié par Chignon, 21 février 2011 - 11:53 .

[ADLegend21]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Chignon wrote...

If we go by that logic, why not kill all the ME2 squadmates off? Even more loose threads trimmed.

You're not following the logic, then.  Because I'm not talking about ME2 squadmates.  As far as ME1 ones...

Garrus and Tali are part of the team.  Wrex has something to do - we can talk to him about it - but he's taken care of if he's already dead (a certain Wreav).  Liara is active in hunting the Shadow Broker and follows through in LOTSB.  The Virmire survivor?  A whole lot of nothing, especially since their "investigation" on Horizon hit a dead end. 

Garrus, Tali, Liara and to a lesser extent Wrex all have threads that have been tied into the story in some way.  Ashley and or Kaidan are just hanging there.  Makes a convenient premise for fanfiction, sure, because there's no way to contradict nothing.

Edit: Forgot Tali, because she's so forgettable.

all the more reason to GIVE them something. we know they're promoted for helping you stop Saren and that Anderson or Udina have direct authority overthem so I wouldn't be suprised if they're the second human Spectre. especially when there is a fleet of machines that's going to destory us all.

[DaVanguard]

I think some one should start to pay Taps if this is the last story DLC...

[upsettingshorts]

Chignon wrote...

The argument still stands whether it is what you meant or not.

And this counterpoint is the last refuge of the confused.

"The argument you weren't making was refuted by the point I failed to make!"

Chignon wrote...

And you know that how, exactly?

Because I was paying attention?

ADLegend21 wrote...

all the more reason to GIVE them something.

Sure, the problem is of course there's so little going on.  If this DLC was to bring them into the fold they'd have to manufacture a whole new premise for the Virmire Survivor being relevant again.  Which is fine, but that's what they'd have to do.  Or they could just kill them off instead of trying to shoehorn them back into a story that it seems clear they have little to do with at this point.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 12:02 .

[Sylvianus]

Right. And I read one thing online where you said love interests in the game are not recruitable for this mission. Why is that?

The Mass Effect 1 love interests aren't. So that's Liara, Kaiden and Ashley. They're in the story but they don't join the team for that reason. Some people are worried that we don't care about those characters, but it's actually the opposite. We care about them so much that we want to make sure they survive this suicide mission.

This.
I'm optimist. We'll see soon enough who was right or wrong.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 22 février 2011 - 12:02 .

[Chignon]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

And this counterpoint is the last refuge of the confused.

"The argument you weren't making was refuted by the point I failed to make!"

Then enlighten the confused, oh wise one. I'm willing to listen.

Because I was paying attention?

To what? Your assumptions?

[AuggyDoggysan]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I hope it does feature Ashley/Kaidan. And the remaining one dies. Loose thread trimmed!

Then Shepard can decide the galaxy is not worth fighting to save. He can go put his feet up and let all organic life die.

Loose thread trimmed! End of Mass Effect series.

[upsettingshorts]

Chignon wrote...

Then enlighten the confused, oh wise one. I'm willing to listen.

I already did.

Chignon wrote...

To what? Your assumptions?

Yes.  The assumption I've made that what is shown in the game matters much more than what isn't shown in the game, or propogated in self-indulgent fanfiction.

[upsettingshorts]

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

Then Shepard can decide the galaxy is not worth fighting to save. He can go put his feet up and let all organic life die.

Loose thread trimmed! End of Mass Effect series.

Your strawman is missing something.  Let's give him a hat.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 12:08 .

[JasonShepard]

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I hope it does feature Ashley/Kaidan. And the remaining one dies. Loose thread trimmed!

Then Shepard can decide the galaxy is not worth fighting to save. He can go put his feet up and let all organic life die.

Loose thread trimmed! End of Mass Effect series.

You know, if there's a time-limit in ME3, then this technically just became an option.

OT Upsettingshorts: I disagree. The VS is a member of the Alliance, and has seemingly been promoted to solo-operative by the time of ME2.
There is a heck of a lot of loose plot threads regarding the Alliance. Especially as regards the Alliance's relationship with Cerberus. And it is by no means difficult to involve Kaidan or Ashley in resolving one of those plot threads.

Just because we don't know what they are doing now doesn't mean that they aren't doing anything.

[trobbins777]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Chignon wrote...

The argument still stands whether it is what you meant or not.

And this counterpoint is the last refuge of the confused.

"The argument you weren't making was refuted by the point I failed to make!"

Chignon wrote...

And you know that how, exactly?

Because I was paying attention?

ADLegend21 wrote...

all the more reason to GIVE them something.

Sure, the problem is of course there's so little going on.  If this DLC was to bring them into the fold they'd have to manufacture a whole new premise for the Virmire Survivor being relevant again.  Which is fine, but that's what they'd have to do.  Or they could just kill them off instead of trying to shoehorn them back into a story that it seems clear they have little to do with at this point.

You want something to go on? ok. How about the known fact that shepard will be an alliance marine in ME3. This means that there is going to be some kind of reconciliation between shepard and the alliance. There's your dlc. It can involve some kind of joint operation between the alliance and shepard. Featuring Ash/Kaidan as a alliance liason. 

But this is all just off the top of my head

[upsettingshorts]

JasonShepard wrote...

Just because we don't know what they are doing now doesn't mean that they aren't doing anything.

That's true, but I always get the impression the most rabid supporters of Virmire survivor content will simply not be satisfied unless Bioware endorses their own specific, barely-substantiated expectations.  To the extent they will not buy anything that does not do this. 

trobbins777 wrote...

You want something to go on? ok. How about the known fact that shepard will be an alliance marine in ME3.

Source? Also, even if I take that statement at face value the rest is speculative.  Speculative breeds expectations which breeds indignation (when it isn't endorsed by future content)

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 12:14 .

[Chignon]

Yes, and I argued that if you want to trim loose threads for ME3, it could go both ways. Something which you still failed to answer to in a less than condescending manner.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Yes.  The assumption I've made that what is shown in the game matters much more than what isn't shown in the game, or propogated in self-indulgent fanfiction.

Which is still nothing more than that, an assumption. One I disagreed with and one which was discredited by BioWare in several interviews following the same vein:

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I posted this in the other thread:

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Ashley or Kaidan will not die in this DLC, as the ME1 love interests are being saved for ME3. This is the reason as to why Shepard was not able to recruit them for the Collector Base mission.

Interview with Casey Hudson.

Right. And I read one thing online where you said love interests in the game are not recruitable for this mission. Why is that?

The Mass Effect 1 love interests aren't. So that's Liara, Kaiden and Ashley. They're in the story but they don't join the team for that reason. Some people are worried that we don't care about those characters, but it's actually the opposite. We care about them so much that we want to make sure they survive this suicide mission.

[upsettingshorts]

Chignon wrote...

Yes, and I argued that if you want to trim loose threads for ME3, it could go both ways. Something which you still failed to answer to in a less than condescending manner.

Me: "Trim loose threads."
Chignon:  "By that logic we should cut threads that are tied into the story."
Me: "No, that's not what I said."
Chignon:  "But that's what you meant.  It still applies."
Me: "No it wasn't and no it doesn't."
Chignon:  "Stop condescending me."

I'm sorry if you feel that my pointing out that "cut loose threads" does not by extension also mean "cut all threads" feels condescending to you.

Chignon wrote...

Which is still nothing more than that, an assumption. One I disagreed with and one which was discredited by BioWare in several interviews following the same vein:

I don't see how that point is related.  He says the characters matter and they care about them.  That's all.  Maybe they matter because they die in ME2 DLC in which their (ultimate?) sacrifice matters.  I also assume that a character can hit a dead end in their investigation and still matter, they just need a new hook.  Something that we haven't seen yet.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 12:19 .

[Batlass8]

I would venture that we've veered a bit off-topic. This thread is meant to discuss ideas for a VS DLC, not whether such a DLC is worthwhile or not. I could be looking at the topic too narrowly, but I always prefer to err on the side of caution.



So to keep it on-topic...



If given the option to hang out with the VS in DLC the way you could with Liara in LotSB, would you prefer to chill on the SR2 or at another, new location, like the VS's apartment?



I vote for the SR2, but only because I personally hate new things.

[Chignon]

The ME2 squadmates are hardly tied into the story. Except maybe for Mordin, Miranda and Jacob.

If you don't see how it is related read it again. Ashley and Kaidan will be in ME3, thus they will not be killed off in a DLC.

[upsettingshorts]

I think it'd be worthwhile. That's not what I'm saying, I'll put it another way.

I'll be blunt. How would those who desire a VS DLC react if:

*DLC did feature the Virmire survivor
*The remaining Virmire survivor died in the DLC

This is a hypothetical, but still on topic.

Chignon wrote...

The ME2 squadmates are hardly tied into the story. Except maybe for Mordin, Miranda and Jacob.

The characters you list are integral to the plot.  All of the characters are tied into the story because they are the story.  The Collectors, even the Suicide mission itself, are MacGuffins.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 12:24 .

[upsettingshorts]

Brodyaha wrote...

Well, seeing as this is the DLC thread, I'm pretty many fans would be happy to see Ashley and Kaidan in DLC, but upset if they died. 

Then they should ask themselves what they really want.

[JasonShepard]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I think it'd be worthwhile. That's not what I'm saying, I'll put it another way.

I'll be blunt. How would those who desire a VS DLC react if:

*DLC did feature the Virmire survivor
*The remaining Virmire survivor died in the DLC

This is a hypothetical, but still on topic.

I think most of us would react badly. To say the least.

Partly because it's a character death that's beyond our control. Partly because it negates the ME1 Virmire choice - since they'll both end up dead anyway. And partly because this thread was made by the fans of Ashley and Kaidan and fans never like to see the character they're supporting get killed off.

[Batlass8]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I think it'd be worthwhile. That's not what I'm saying, I'll put it another way.

I'll be blunt. How would those who desire a VS DLC react if:

*DLC did feature the Virmire survivor
*The remaining Virmire survivor died in the DLC

This is a hypothetical, but still on topic.

From the OP:

DO NOT WANT (PLEASE AND THANK YOU)



../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.pngThe option to kill Ashley or Kaidan

Asked and answered. 

Edited for my failure to quote.

Modifié par Batlass8, 22 février 2011 - 12:26 .