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[Chignon]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

Well, seeing as this is the DLC thread, I'm pretty many fans would be happy to see Ashley and Kaidan in DLC, but upset if they died. 

Then they should ask themselves what they really want.

Brody listed a few things in the OP. If you're interested, you can take a look at that.

[FireEye]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

That's true, but I always get the impression the most rabid supporters of Virmire survivor content will simply not be satisfied unless Bioware endorses their own specific, barely-substantiated expectations.  To the extent they will not buy anything that does not do this. 

BioWare doesn't owe us anything and they can do whatever they want with their legal IP.

However.

Speaking for myself alone, ME2 already took away everything I found interesting in gameplay mechanics and overarching story.  It also took away all the characters I found interesting and replaced them with characters I had far less or no interest in.

At the moment, my only interest in DLC or ME3 is to see where the characters I liked and may still have a part left to play end up, even though I suspect I will be ultimately disappointed.  I can meet this interest without buying anything, it's called "reading the spoilers."

I'm apologize if my interest in these characters and/or my interest in self-indulgent fanfiction somehow upsets or perplexes you. 

[FireEye]

Batlass8 wrote...

If given the option to hang out with the VS in DLC the way you could with Liara in LotSB, would you prefer to chill on the SR2 or at another, new location, like the VS's apartment?

I vote for the SR2, but only because I personally hate new things.

Apartment, but then I hate the SR2. 

[upsettingshorts]

Brodyaha wrote...

I think it's well-known that we really want to see Ashley and Kaidan in DLC.  Yeah, it's catering to fans.  So be it.
That being said, we fans also want to see a great story and a good conclusion for these characters in DLC that leads to something in ME3.  If you don't want them in DLC, that's your perogative.  Our perogative is that we want them.  
It's called a conflict of interests.  It exists in this world.  Fair enough?

I didn't say I didn't want them in DLC.  I think it would be interesting, dramatic, and thematically significant if they were killed off.  But that's if they went a certain way, they could certainly go a different way.  What I'd dispute is that by making them LIs and having the characters be upset with Shepard in ME2 means that Bioware's somehow responsible for mending that fence because it created a set of expectations.  It's an argument extremely prevalent among the more militant Morrigan fans on the Dragon Age boards, it eventually boils down to the player wanting their choices and expectations validated by the game at the expense of all else.  As long as people aren't doing that, there is no conflict of interest, not from me.  

FireEye wrote...

I'm apologize if my interest in these characters and/or my interest in self-indulgent fanfiction somehow upsets or perplexes you. 

No need to apologize.  If you like the characters the way they were in ME1, dislike everything ME2 did, then what's wrong with continuing the self-indulgent fanfiction based upon that instead of - and I'm not saying you're doing this specifically, or even anyone in this discussion, but people absolutely have - being angrily indignant about the lack of Virmire survivor content.   Keep in mind that if I post in this thread being critical of posters or a position, that isn't equal to a personal attack on everyone who shares that opinion.  Especially if I'm discussing an approach, not a conclusion.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 12:36 .

[Lord Zeuss]

FireEye wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

If given the option to hang out with the VS in DLC the way you could with Liara in LotSB, would you prefer to chill on the SR2 or at another, new location, like the VS's apartment?

I vote for the SR2, but only because I personally hate new things.

Apartment, but then I hate the SR2. 

I'm with FireEye, I'd like to see a new environment.

[Batlass8]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

If given the option to hang out with the VS in DLC the way you could with Liara in LotSB, would you prefer to chill on the SR2 or at another, new location, like the VS's apartment?

I vote for the SR2, but only because I personally hate new things.

Apartment, but then I hate the SR2. 

I'm with FireEye, I'd like to see a new environment.

Boo for all you fans of change and your enjoyment of new and exciting locales!  Every time Shepard goes somewhere new, (s)he has to shoot things.  Let the poor (wo)man relax, why don't you!

[upsettingshorts]

Brodyaha wrote...

 If VS fans want to mend things with Kaid and Ash, then that'd be great.If people want to tell Ash or Kaidan off, then that's their perogative too.

Funny you should mention that, because I think a DLC that allowed the player to mend things with Ashley and Kaidan and then they died would be pretty great.   For a host of reasons.  Especially for teh sads.  The choice bit would be whether or not you wanted to make up with them before the end or not.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 12:57 .

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...
Boo for all you fans of change and your enjoyment of new and exciting locales!  Every time Shepard goes somewhere new, (s)he has to shoot things.  Let the poor (wo)man relax, why don't you!

They can relax in a bar!  Maybe see Ash in a cool dress!

Well, I do remember her promising a certain evening attire after taking her out for dinner, right? 

[Darthbill52]

Batlass8 wrote...


If given the option to hang out with the VS in DLC the way you could with Liara in LotSB, would you prefer to chill on the SR2 or at another, new location, like the VS's apartment?

I vote for the SR2, but only because I personally hate new things.

I agree the SR2 Only becasue look at it this way, if Snu-Snu happens.  This time you have room, bigger bed and some wine first then the spartan accomidations of an alliance vessel

[Sylvianus]

Well, I do remember her promising a certain evening attire after taking her out for dinner, right ?

Omagad ! If Bioware made the surprise, I swear I will eat my hat !

I'd love to !

Modifié par Sylvianus, 22 février 2011 - 01:04 .

[Batlass8]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Funny you should mention that, because I think a DLC that allowed the player to mend things with Ashley and Kaidan and then they died would be pretty great.   For a host of reasons.  Especially for teh sads.  The choice bit would be whether or not you wanted to make up with them before the end or not.

I really don't think this is the thread to discuss killing off the VS in DLC.

As I mentioned before, the OP covers this:

DO NOT WANT (PLEASE AND THANK YOU)

../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.pngThe option to kill Ashley or Kaidan

[ADLegend21]

I wonder if we get to see where Ashley/Kaidan live. and for that matter where would they live? If romanced they should get Shepards apartment for Pinnacle Station.

[upsettingshorts]

Batlass8 wrote...

I really don't think this is the thread to discuss killing off the VS in DLC.

As I mentioned before, the OP covers this:

So I should start a new thread called "Kaidan and Ashley ME2 DLC Wishlist - Death discussion allowed?"

I guarantee a mod would lock it and tell people to keep discussion of potential VS DLC in this thread.  

That's just a short way of saying that despite the fact the OP is the OP, it doesn't get to decide conclusively what's specifically on topic and what isn't.  That being said, what I'm saying is a far cry from coming in here and being like "Kaidan/Ashley are annoying and I hope we get to kill them."

People bring up this argument all the time and it doesn't hold water, especially in character threads.  "Why come in here if you're going to be negative" and such.  However, I wouldn't consider my position in this thread as negative, only unpopular.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 01:14 .

[Lord Zeuss]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wonder if we get to see where Ashley/Kaidan live. and for that matter where would they live? If romanced they should get Shepards apartment for Pinnacle Station.

I think it would be nice to turn things on head and have them invite Shepard to *their* place. Everything is always revolving around Shepard, let's turn it around for a change.

[Chignon]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wonder if we get to see where Ashley/Kaidan live. and for that matter where would they live? If romanced they should get Shepards apartment for Pinnacle Station.

I think it would be nice to turn things on head and have them invite Shepard to *their* place. Everything is always revolving around Shepard, let's turn it around for a change.

This is a great idea, Zeuss! I agree completely and it may also help to expand their characters further. If done right, of course.

[Telemachus78]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wonder if we get to see where Ashley/Kaidan live. and for that matter where would they live? If romanced they should get Shepards apartment for Pinnacle Station.

I think it would be nice to turn things on head and have them invite Shepard to *their* place. Everything is always revolving around Shepard, let's turn it around for a change.

I second that.

[upsettingshorts]

Brodyaha wrote...

Upsettingshorts, I made the OP several months ago, and have put in the wishlist things that fans of Kaidan and Ashley wanted to see in the DLC featuring them. The issue of Kaidan and Ashley dying came up, and was decidedly really unpopular, and the only people who wanted it hated Kaidan and Ashley.
Take some time to read the first several pages of the OP.

I do not hate Kaidan and Ashley, and I am not those people.

Brodyaha wrote...

This thread caters to fans of Kaidan and Ashley, who really love them. I won't lie. If you want to make a thread that discusses 10,000+ ways to kill them, then by all means, go ahead. I just won't participate in it.

I do not want to discuss that.  In fact the only way in which my position differs from anyone else's so far, as far as I can tell, is that "they could die" is still on the table for me.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 01:22 .

[trobbins777]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

I really don't think this is the thread to discuss killing off the VS in DLC.

As I mentioned before, the OP covers this:

So I should start a new thread called "Kaidan and Ashley ME2 DLC Wishlist - Death discussion allowed?"

I guarantee a mod would lock it and tell people to keep discussion of potential VS DLC in this thread.  

That's just a short way of saying that despite the fact the OP is the OP, it doesn't get to decide conclusively what's specifically on topic and what isn't.  That being said, what I'm saying is a far cry from coming in here and being like "Kaidan/Ashley are annoying and I hope we get to kill them."

People bring up this argument all the time and it doesn't hold water, especially in character threads.  "Why come in here if you're going to be negative" and such.  That being said, I wouldn't consider my position in this thread as negative, only unpopular.

Wanting to kill off the character we want to bring back into the main storyline isn't unpopular or negative.... it's both. As for the rest of your posts it's pretty clear that you don't like Ash or Kaidan, and that's fine. However, I don't think you should come into a thread of VS fans and start talking about how Bioware should end thier involvement in the mass effect universe. Especially if they are a romantic option. Odd's are bioware will do what they want to and fans of Ash/Kaidan are just going to think you're being a troll.
  

[upsettingshorts]

trobbins777 wrote...

Wanting to kill off the character we want to bring back into the main storyline isn't unpopular or negative.... it's both. As for the rest of your posts it's pretty clear that you don't like Ash or Kaidan, and that's fine.

Dude, I like Kaidan and Ashley.  Seriously.  I also like Zevran in Dragon Age, but sometimes I kill him.  I like Wrex, sometimes he gets shot in the face on Virmire.  In fact, I like Kaidan and Ashley so much that my enjoyment of their characters is not limited to their availability as romance interests, companions, or even being alive for ME3. 

The worst thing I could say about a character is that I don't care what happens to them at all.  I view death of characters in games as significant and not just a way to dispose of them.  You will not see me in threads asking to kill off characters because they bother me.  I ask for it when I think it will be interesting, especially if they push Shepard's personal development - something they did to a very small degree in LOTSB (when Liara asked Shepard how he/she felt.).  The exact same thing could be done in the scenarios I put forward.

trobbins777 wrote...

Odd's are bioware will do what they want to and fans of Ash/Kaidan are just going to think you're being a troll.

Probably. 

Brodyaha wrote...

Why do people not want Ashley or Kaidan to die?  Well, either one has to die.  You can't save both.  You can save Wrex, you can save Garrus and Tali, nor can Liara die.  Ashley and Kaidan are the only two characters that you have to make that difficult choice, and you evade that situation.

I think I approach the Virmire question in a much different way than most Ashley/Kaidan fans, then.  Probably most other fans in general, based upon what people who hate them tend to say about that decision, too.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 01:29 .