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[yoshibb]

I don't care anymore, I just want some sort of content. I don't believe they will kill K/A off in DLC because there is just too many people who would go without it. If they want to do something significant then save it for the last game in the trilogy not an hour long DLC. I wouldn't want any companions or former companions killed off on DLC.



But really, I'm just tired of waiting. I just want content that will give me a conclusion. Only requirement is it's not a cameo or cheap epilogue slide.

[Chignon]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wonder if we get to see where Ashley/Kaidan live. and for that matter where would they live? If romanced they should get Shepards apartment for Pinnacle Station.

I'm still hoping that BioWare'll bring back Shepard's apartment on Intai'sei.

[trobbins777]

Also Killing off Ash/Kaidan would make the initial decision on Virmire pointless. It's one of the main plot points of the series. Did you save or kill the council? Did you keep or destroy the base? Did you save Ash or Kaidan?

It would be like in Transformers revenge of the fallen they ruin the entire climax of the first movie by bringing megatron back in the first ten minuites.

Modifié par trobbins777, 22 février 2011 - 01:43 .

[upsettingshorts]

trobbins777 wrote...

Also Killing off Ash/Kaidan would make the initial decision on Virmire pointless.

I disagree, but then like I said I approach that in a different way.   The short explanation is that the decision, and the way Shepard arrives at it, is the point.   Not the cold mathematics of who is left and who is dead.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 01:48 .

[Telemachus78]

yoshibb wrote...

I don't care anymore, I just want some sort of content. I don't believe they will kill K/A off in DLC because there is just too many people who would go without it. If they want to do something significant then save it for the last game in the trilogy not an hour long DLC. I wouldn't want any companions or former companions killed off on DLC.

But really, I'm just tired of waiting. I just want content that will give me a conclusion. Only requirement is it's not a cameo or cheap epilogue slide.

Completely agree I am just at wits end with the wait. But you that old saying about waiting and good things.

[Darthbill52]

Chignon wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wonder if we get to see where Ashley/Kaidan live. and for that matter where would they live? If romanced they should get Shepards apartment for Pinnacle Station.

I'm still hoping that BioWare'll bring back Shepard's apartment on Intai'sei.

Yeah I agree,I miss that place..add some guns and some Female Gunnery Chief Company and I am there. Lol

[Telemachus78]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

Also Killing off Ash/Kaidan would make the initial decision on Virmire pointless.

I disagree, but then like I said I approach that in a different way.   The short explanation is that the decision, and the way Shepard arrives at it, is the point.   Not the cold mathematics of who is left and who is dead.

So the characters are just numbers? To be used and dicarded accordingly this is a very cynical view.

[upsettingshorts]

Telemachus78 wrote...

So the characters are just numbers? To be used and dicarded accordingly this is a very cynical view.

I was saying exactly the opposite.   The decision Shepard makes, and why he/she makes it is the point.  Ergo it does not need to be validated by nor be nullified through future events, because it is dramatic and interesting in of itself.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 01:57 .

[yoshibb]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

Also Killing off Ash/Kaidan would make the initial decision on Virmire pointless.

I disagree, but then like I said I approach that in a different way.   The short explanation is that the decision, and the way Shepard arrives at it, is the point.   Not the cold mathematics of who is left and who is dead.

But don't you agree that killing off an important character in the series would not be suited for DLC? I personally hate deaths completely but I will live with it if it's done right. Unfortunately, I can't think of a lot of instances where it was done right, especially in something as short as DLC.

And you mentioned killing Zevran and Wrex. However, that was just an option. It was interesting to pursue that option but you could also let them survive. In RPG games especially, I like choice, I don't even care if it's a Ashley or Kaidan choice, I just want the options there. Because the Shepard I'm roleplaying would not leave the love of her life to die. It may be stupid or selfish, but it's an option, which is what RPGs are all about.

Modifié par yoshibb, 22 février 2011 - 02:01 .

[ADLegend21]

Chignon wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wonder if we get to see where Ashley/Kaidan live. and for that matter where would they live? If romanced they should get Shepards apartment for Pinnacle Station.

I'm still hoping that BioWare'll bring back Shepard's apartment on Intai'sei.

that'd be awesome,no EDI, Joker, or Kasumi to spy or sabetage the reunion.

[upsettingshorts]

yoshibb wrote...

But don't you agree that killing off an important character in the series would not be suited for DLC? I personally hate deaths completely but I will live with it if it's done right. Unfortunately, I can't think of a lot of instances where it was done right.

Not sure, like you said it would have to be done right.

[trobbins777]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

Also Killing off Ash/Kaidan would make the initial decision on Virmire pointless.

I disagree, but then like I said I approach that in a different way.   The short explanation is that the decision, and the way Shepard arrives at it, is the point.   Not the cold mathematics of who is left and who is dead.

You disagree with the fact that making a player choose between two squadmates. then killing off the surviving one anyway wouldn't detract from the first choice?

If you're arguing that there should be the possiblility for Ash/Kaidan to die because it would add depth to the plot. That's okay but i think i speak for the majority of the posters on this thread when i say that we don't want that. It would be a major hastle to the writers to come up with a scenario where Ash/Kaidan dies and what the implications would be for ME3 if they did or didn't die in a DLC. .

[upsettingshorts]

trobbins777 wrote...

You disagree with the fact that making a player choose between two squadmates. then killing off the surviving one anyway wouldn't detract from the first choice?

I don't think it's an issue in the least.  Shepard didn't know at Virmire what would happen in the future.  And I don't make the decision based upon "which one do I want to live." 

Let's say I send Ashley with the Salarians because she's a soldier and they're the combat/distraction team and have Kaidan arm the bomb.  Then Shepard saves Kaidan because he doesn't know that the bomb will go off anyway and needs to ensure the base is destroyed.  Ashley dies.

I'm not sure what "well, Kaidan dies anyway a couple years later" has to do with that decision, or what I liked about making it.

trobbins777 wrote...

If you're arguing that there should be the possiblility for Ash/Kaidan to die because it would add depth to the plot. That's okay but i think i speak for the majority of the posters on this thread when i say that we don't want that. It would be a major hastle to the writers to come up with a scenario where Ash/Kaidan dies and what the implications would be for ME3 if they did or didn't die in a DLC. .

That's basically what I'm saying, I've also been saying I'd be happy with a well done DLC in which the VS's death is unavoidable as well.  As far as whether or not it would be difficult to implement both life/death decisions in the future, it's been done before and its relative difficulty would have to consider how big their roles in ME3 are planned to be.  It's easy to skip over, handwave, or restructure a cameo for example (like Wrex) but more difficult to deal with the death of a planned major character.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 02:09 .

[ADLegend21]

Better yet, I wonder if we'dbe able to visit the VS's family!!!!! soeone put that on the wishlist!!!!!

[Darthbill52]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Better yet, I wonder if we'dbe able to visit the VS's family!!!!! soeone put that on the wishlist!!!!!

Meet the other Williams Sisters...That would be pretty cool. Not going to lie

[trobbins777]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

That's basically what I'm saying, I've also been saying I'd be happy with a well done DLC in which the VS's death is unavoidable as well.  As far as whether or not it would be difficult to implement both life/death decisions in the future, it's been done before and its relative difficulty would have to consider how big their roles in ME3 are planned to be.  It's easy to skip over, handwave, or restructure a cameo for example (like Wrex) but more difficult to deal with the death of a planned major character.

I disagree. i would say that it's easier to just kill off a character give them a dramatic death scene and then move on than to have them live and be interacting with the plot and the characters. 

On another note, didn't bioware tell us that Ash/Kaidan wouldn't be a squadmate in ME2 so they don't go on the suicide mission and could come back in ME3. It seems to me that they along with Liara are already guarenteed to be a companion if not plot integral in ME3.

[ADLegend21]

Darthbill52 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Better yet, I wonder if we'dbe able to visit the VS's family!!!!! soeone put that on the wishlist!!!!!

Meet the other Williams Sisters...That would be pretty cool. Not going to lie

yup, they could tell you what effects your death had on Ashley, or Kaidan's family, I can't remember if Kaidan mentioned his family being alive or anything.

[FireEye]

ADLegend21 wrote...

yup, they could tell you what effects your death had on Ashley, or Kaidan's family, I can't remember if Kaidan mentioned his family being alive or anything.

Kaidan's father was proud of his military service and his mother told him to bring a sweater to Noveria.  As far as we know, they live in Canada.

Family could be interesting, though. 

[Darthbill52]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Darthbill52 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Better yet, I wonder if we'dbe able to visit the VS's family!!!!! soeone put that on the wishlist!!!!!

Meet the other Williams Sisters...That would be pretty cool. Not going to lie

yup, they could tell you what effects your death had on Ashley, or Kaidan's family, I can't remember if Kaidan mentioned his family being alive or anything.

I have played mostly Male Sheps who have romanced ash but the talks with Alenko espically being part of BATT most likely had no family or family was lied to like Jack.   Kaiden may have family but they havent been spoken of as much as Ash's Sisters and depending on your background Shepards mother the Alliance Captain.

[Elessara]

No, Kaidan's parents live in Vancouver. He talks about them - not as much as Ash talks about her sisters though.

[Tilarta]

I am opposed in every way to a VS death.
If I found out the DLC was going to kill them, well, I'd never install it in the first place!
Similarly, I don't want any of my current team to die in a DLC either.
I want everyone to be around for Mass Effect 3!

I don't actually have a problem with spaces in the roster, since Subject Zero is dead and Zaeed was never recruited.
There's two spaces available right there for Ashley to "fill".
I'm hoping a Batarian takes the other one.
I'd also like a Vorcha, but I'm all out of spaces.......

I'm hoping for a SisShep relationship with Ashley (similar to the relationship Shepherd has with Jacob). Note: a FemShep can have that relationship too, if she didn't romance him! And because mine didn't, she does have that buddy/buddy deal with Jacob.
I was going with a Sisters-in-Arms theme, my FemShep and Ashley are both hard bitten Soldiers, so they have a lot in common.
I'd like to see that relationship acknowledged or developed somehow.

As I detailed sometime back, I'd prefer that we go to meet Ashley in her home.

[Alarieliia]

*Decloaking*

Alrighty then, what I get from the Kill Ash/Kai argument is that some want an option to kill her/him for reasons that are purely their own. Others hate the idea all together.

Now my two cents on the matter. I personally dont think that killing the VS in a DLC is going to happen due to the fact that its an add-on and probably wont have major significance in the game other than dialogue and possible romance options. DLC is usually very short and bridges the gap between major installments of the series.

While it doesnt bother me to have that option, I'd never take it anyways, its been stated that the VS and Liara were not in ME2 much due to their importance in ME3. If any option to kill them off were made it'd probably be in ME3 and not a DLC due to the fact that not everyone has access to DLC and to have astronomical changes because of a DLC wouldnt be fair....but then again since when has anything been 'fair'?

*takes a breath* Wow I'd like some sentence with my DLC plz. X3

Edit: I like the appartment idea btw. Also I like the option to meet Ash's sisters and Kaidan's parents.

*going dark*

Modifié par Alarieliia, 22 février 2011 - 05:06 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

I'm of the opinion that it would be too much umm...how do I say this, "manhandling" of Ashley/Kaidan if they are slated for potential death. If you don't download the DLC but pop in ME3 and discover that you missed out on that experience, it would cause some alienation, and I don't know how fair it would be for those might not be able to afford the DLC, might not have access to download it, etc if they did that.

Of course, Bioware can do whatever they wish however they wish, but it just doesn't sound viable to me? I don't know...

I think the sacrifice could be a major player who is NOT a squaddie in ME1 or ME2. At least, that's what I think. I don't know...

I just wanted to make mention of that as someone who is impartial but supportive of deeper content for those characters.

Modifié par Village Idiot, 22 février 2011 - 05:42 .

[DPSSOC]

Darthbill52 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Better yet, I wonder if we'dbe able to visit the VS's family!!!!! soeone put that on the wishlist!!!!!

Meet the other Williams Sisters...That would be pretty cool. Not going to lie

VS: Come on I'll introduce you to the family

Shepard (Top Right): Sounds great.
Shepard (Bottom Right): Joker, get me the hell out of here.

[lawp79]

Can someone please tell me about sheps apartment, is it in game?