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[fortunesque]

ExtremeOne wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
this dlc would help a lot. if there was some legit reason behind their actions on horizion then i am all for listening to them. 

If you play through the first game you find that Cerberus is technically a terrorist group that tests on non-consenting humans. 

      

well i ask this then in Mass Effect 2 who wants to stop the Collectors and fight the reapers. Its clear the alliance nor the so called human lead Council want to fight the Collectors or the reapers. so who is it left to then. I mean Shepard can not do it alone. so yeah what ever Cerberus did in ME 1 they seem to be the only ones who want to wage war on  the Collectors or the reapers.  

That doesn't make them good though. They're still racial supremacists. It's a situation where Shepard is stuck. 

[ExtremeOne]

siriusrambles wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
well since i did not play all of ME 1. i understand what you are saying.

yeah bioware did a ****** poor job on filling us new comers in on the story of ME 1.

i'd suggest finishing me1 then your opinion may change concerning ash and kaidan.  they have been integral to the plot since the start of the series.  you definitely are missing out playing the games out of order and not even completing the first. 

a dlc about these two characters could offer you background information on them.  also, afford you the opportunity to acquaint yourself with their situation and viewpoints.

 


i'm hoping we get ME 2 dlc that involves them because they has a impact on ME 2. they have a story that i do want to know about  

[ExtremeOne]

fortunesque wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
this dlc would help a lot. if there was some legit reason behind their actions on horizion then i am all for listening to them. 

If you play through the first game you find that Cerberus is technically a terrorist group that tests on non-consenting humans. 

      

well i ask this then in Mass Effect 2 who wants to stop the Collectors and fight the reapers. Its clear the alliance nor the so called human lead Council want to fight the Collectors or the reapers. so who is it left to then. I mean Shepard can not do it alone. so yeah what ever Cerberus did in ME 1 they seem to be the only ones who want to wage war on  the Collectors or the reapers.  

That doesn't make them good though. They're still racial supremacists. It's a situation where Shepard is stuck. 

  


well your Shepard may have problems working with them. but My male and female Shepard have no problem because they brought me back and the alliance turned its back on me and sent spies to spy on me. ME 2 is about loyalties well then if thats the case after what the alliance did my Shepard and his crew know where their loyalties lie and thats with Cerberus  

[Mystranna Kelteel]

ExtremeOne wrote...
well your Shepard may have problems working with them. but My male and female Shepard have no problem because they brought me back and the alliance turned its back on me and sent spies to spy on me. ME 2 is about loyalties well then if thats the case after what the alliance did my Shepard and his crew know where their loyalties lie and thats with Cerberus  

lolwut

Miranda specifically says in the beginning she wants to put a control chip in your brain and TIM sets you up and purposely throws you into danger all the time.

People you can trust!

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 26 août 2010 - 03:04 .

[fortunesque]

^What she said^



Also, that whole trap that TIM sends Shepard into on the Collector ship was a nice practice in building trust.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Also the whole reason the Alliance is "spying on you" in the first place is because TIM purposely slipped misleading information. XD



Loyalties lie with Cerberus, that's classic.

[ExtremeOne]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
well your Shepard may have problems working with them. but My male and female Shepard have no problem because they brought me back and the alliance turned its back on me and sent spies to spy on me. ME 2 is about loyalties well then if thats the case after what the alliance did my Shepard and his crew know where their loyalties lie and thats with Cerberus  

lolwut

Miranda specifically says in the beginning she wants to put a control chip in your brain and TIM sets you up and purposely throws you into danger all the time.

People you can trust!

  


what about the Alliance they do not believe anything you say about the reapers or the Collectors and they basically sent a spies to spy on you.  i trust Cerberus at least Miranda was up front and honest and TIM is openly honest he is all about humanity. I can not say that about the Alliance 

[Badpie]

TIM: Shepard. Williams is on Horizon and the Collectors know about it. They could be using her to get to you.
Shepard; Wait...
TIM: Okay you got me. I fed a bunch of "information" to the Alliance so now they're spying on you! Isn't that great?
Shepard: Um...
TIM: No really I promise I won't do anything like that again.
Shepard: O...kay....
TIM: By the way there's this um..."disabled" Collector ship that the "Turians" took out that you should check out.
SHepard: Why are you...doing finger quo-
TIM: It doesn't matter! I brought you back from the dead! DANCE MONKEY DANCE!
Shepard: Sigh. ....*dances*

Modifié par Badpie, 26 août 2010 - 03:12 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

ExtremeOne wrote...
what about the Alliance they do not believe anything you say about the reapers or the Collectors and they basically sent a spies to spy on you.  i trust Cerberus at least Miranda was up front and honest and TIM is openly honest he is all about humanity. I can not say that about the Alliance 

The Alliance "spying" was TIM's fault, as I said.

And people being honest about not trusting you does not make them more trustworthy. If it did then you'd be trusting the Alliance, Anderson, and Kaidan/Ashley because they're also honest when they say they don't trust Cerberus.

[ExtremeOne]

fortunesque wrote...

^What she said^

Also, that whole trap that TIM sends Shepard into on the Collector ship was a nice practice in building trust.

  


at least he has a reason at the end of it. does that punk Anderson have a reason for him spying on Shepard no he does not 

[fortunesque]

ExtremeOne wrote...

what about the Alliance they do not believe anything you say about the reapers or the Collectors and they basically sent a spies to spy on you.  i trust Cerberus at least Miranda was up front and honest and TIM is openly honest he is all about humanity. I can not say that about the Alliance 

You didn't play the first game so I don't think you really know the Alliance's motives and why they distrust Cerberus. They're very well founded. 

Anyway, this is the VS dlc thread. If you want to ask about the Alliance vs Cerberus, there are probably many threads on it. I strongly encourage you to take a look at them and see what people that played the first game have to say. 

[ExtremeOne]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
what about the Alliance they do not believe anything you say about the reapers or the Collectors and they basically sent a spies to spy on you.  i trust Cerberus at least Miranda was up front and honest and TIM is openly honest he is all about humanity. I can not say that about the Alliance 

The Alliance "spying" was TIM's fault, as I said.

And people being honest about not trusting you does not make them more trustworthy. If it did then you'd be trusting the Alliance, Anderson, and Kaidan/Ashley because they're also honest when they say they don't trust Cerberus.

  


that whole issues could have been solved if Shepard had a legit chance to chose his side. but no Bioware does a ****** poor story telling job and you see what happens when a game's story is so messed up 

[Mystranna Kelteel]

ExtremeOne wrote...
at least he has a reason at the end of it. does that punk Anderson have a reason for him spying on Shepard no he does not 

Yes. As we said, TIM told Anderson that Shepard was with Cerberus and that Cerberus may have been responsible for the human disappearances.

Do you actually listen to the dialogue of the characters in the game, or do you skip it to get to the shooting parts?

[Phaedon]

Cerberus are terrorists and racists. That is all.

[ExtremeOne]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
at least he has a reason at the end of it. does that punk Anderson have a reason for him spying on Shepard no he does not 

Yes. As we said, TIM told Anderson that Shepard was with Cerberus and that Cerberus may have been responsible for the human disappearances.

Do you actually listen to the dialogue of the characters in the game, or do you skip it to get to the shooting parts?

  


then going with that logic one would assume that Cerberus and the alliance are one in the same. so why does the game make it seem like they are at odds. if they are speaking with each other. Bioware needs to fix this crap with Alliance Vs Cerberus. because its starting to sound like Cerberus is the alliance's own PMC group 

[fortunesque]

Please, can we get back on topic? We don't want this thread being shut down.

[ExtremeOne]

[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

[quote]ExtremeOne wrote...
at least he has a reason at the end of it. does that punk Anderson have a reason for him spying on Shepard no he does not 
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Yes. As we said, TIM told Anderson that Shepard was with Cerberus and that Cerberus may have been responsible for the human disappearances.

Do you actually listen to the dialogue of the characters in the game, or do you skip it to get to the shooting parts?

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I do but one thing confuses me is Cerberus part of the Alliance because edi says that Cerberus encouraged the alliance to build the original Normandy. 

[ExtremeOne]

fortunesque wrote...

Please, can we get back on topic? We don't want this thread being shut down.

  

sure Kaiden and Ashley need a dlc so we can straighten out the mess from from horizion 

[syllogi]

ExtremeOne wrote...
what about the Alliance they do not believe anything you say about the reapers or the Collectors and they basically sent a spies to spy on you.  i trust Cerberus at least Miranda was up front and honest and TIM is openly honest he is all about humanity. I can not say that about the Alliance 

TIM lied about Liara working for the Shadow Broker, he sent Shepard into a trap on the Collector's Ship, he will stop you from going anywhere whenever he wants to tell you to do something, he leaked information on Kaidan/Ashley's present location in order to lure the Collectors to Horizon...exactly what part of those things is trustworthy?  Shepard is a pawn to TIM, and I'm pretty sure that if/when he's done with you, he'd chew you up and spit you out.

Say what you will about Kaidan and Ashley, but considering the way the Horizon scene was written, not jumping at the chance to go with Shepard, and even calling Shepard a traitor, made sense.  Shepard did not give the Virmire Survivor any reason to trust that he/she was not brainwashed, deluded by Cerberus lies, or had been a Cerberus agent all along.  Shepard does not tell the VS the specifics of how he was resurrected, he does not tell them about the suicide mission, and he does not make it clear that working with Cerberus is the only option currently available.

Virmire Survivor DLC would be a chance to finally allow our characters to tell Ashley/Kaidan all of these things, and could expand upon what role the Alliance will play in ME3.  That can only be a good thing, whether you're a fan of these characters or not.

[ExtremeOne]

TeenZombie wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
what about the Alliance they do not believe anything you say about the reapers or the Collectors and they basically sent a spies to spy on you.  i trust Cerberus at least Miranda was up front and honest and TIM is openly honest he is all about humanity. I can not say that about the Alliance 

TIM lied about Liara working for the Shadow Broker, he sent Shepard into a trap on the Collector's Ship, he will stop you from going anywhere whenever he wants to tell you to do something, he leaked information on Kaidan/Ashley's present location in order to lure the Collectors to Horizon...exactly what part of those things is trustworthy?  Shepard is a pawn to TIM, and I'm pretty sure that if/when he's done with you, he'd chew you up and spit you out.

Say what you will about Kaidan and Ashley, but considering the way the Horizon scene was written, not jumping at the chance to go with Shepard, and even calling Shepard a traitor, made sense.  Shepard did not give the Virmire Survivor any reason to trust that he/she was not brainwashed, deluded by Cerberus lies, or had been a Cerberus agent all along.  Shepard does not tell the VS the specifics of how he was resurrected, he does not tell them about the suicide mission, and he does not make it clear that working with Cerberus is the only option currently available.

Virmire Survivor DLC would be a chance to finally allow our characters to tell Ashley/Kaidan all of these things, and could expand upon what role the Alliance will play in ME3.  That can only be a good thing, whether you're a fan of these characters or not.

   



well if it takes dlc to straighten this whole mess out then they better make the next dlc focus on kaiden and ashley because the whole story of ME 2 is starting to suck donkey balls since bioware failed to tell what the real story with the alliance and Cerberus is 

[sagefic]

Badpie wrote...

DANCE MONKEY DANCE!

Shepard: Sigh. ....*dances*

this.

ExtremeOne wrote...
well if it takes dlc to straighten this whole mess out then they better make the next dlc focus on kaiden and ashley because the whole story of ME 2 is starting to suck donkey balls since bioware failed to tell what the real story with the alliance and Cerberus is 

This is where we all agree. Let's stick to that topic, please. 

[sagefic]

 okay, so for DLC wishlisting (trying to get back on topic) i think it would be cool to

• see more of the presidium (would be reasonable start point)
• would LOVE to see more of cerberus command centers, if that wouldn't totally spoilerific the game
• would love to see anderson again (omg, temp squaddie?, k, just thinking out loud here. we already know his melee attack is awesome)
• would love to find permanent place on normandy for kaidan and ash, cause i'd love to see them as a squaddie. curious how they will do this for liara dlc. will give us an idea, i think, of what to expect
• would love to have additional casual uniforms for shep. would totally make sense for ash/kaidan to be in alliance utilities. depending upon outcome, have ash/kaidan join shep and be in cerberus gear at end or shep be able to burn all casual uniforms with a cerberus logo?

i refer to jho's fanart for inspiration there

Modifié par sagequeen, 26 août 2010 - 03:49 .

[ExtremeOne]

the kaiden and Ashley dlc is a better idea than the Liara one.