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[gorrillasnake]

hey..after you visit anderson...maybe she there to report..

[Mr.House]

Beth and Carver where better handled in DA2 then VS was in ME2 and there situation is largely the same. Maybe the ME writing team just sucks.

[Mr.House]

Brodyaha wrote...

Lukas Kristjanson wrote Kaidan, Joker, and some other character, but those are the two I remember now, and he wrote on the DA2 team.

I like him. I just hope he writes Kaidan for ME3.

Luke seems to like the DA team more since they you know...know what the hell there doing.

[Quaay]

Brodyaha wrote...

You know what? Never thought I'd be saying this, but after playing Arrival, I'm glad that Ashley and Kaidan weren't in it, the way it's set up. They wouldn't have gotten the justice they deserved.

Had this DLC been in the cooker for longer, extended, given more story/dialogue/choices, and they still hadn't made an appearance, I would've been even more disappointed. But this DLC is not the highest-quality that I've played.

Yea I don't think they would've had enough time to bring in K/A and do them the proper justice they deserve. Money, time, and so many variables to deal with going into ME3. Now that DLC is all done with they can concentrate on just making ME3 the best it can be. And I'm ok with that. I know we'll get to see them soon.

[DPSSOC]

VS ME3 Wishlist
And if you're reading this Bioware keep in mind I shouldn't have had to include 1 through 3;
1)They're in the game
2) They're a squadmate
3) We can continue the romance
Now that that's taken care of
4) We are forced to explain ourselves.  One thing I did like about the VS in ME2 is that they didn't just instantly accept Shepard's story (admit it folks it's a little crazy), and I would like to see that continue so that when, or shortly after, we meet the VS in ME3 we have to answer the tough questions (why didn't you contact me, where have you been, why are/were you with Cerberus, etc).  Every other squadmate just accepts that you died and came back to life and realistically the only person who shouldn't be phased by it is Liara (which should have made us suspiscious, which should have led us to probing, which should have led to Liara explaining how Cerberus got your body as opposed to "Hey Shep thanks for helping me out and I gave your body to Cerberus."  Sorry getting off mesage).  Let the VS be the last skeptic in the galaxy please.
5) No death.  The VS might as well have been dead in ME2; give them a break in ME3.
6) Let the reunion be epic.
7) VS curses out Joker and/or Garrus for not letting them know Shepard was alive and they were serving with him/her.

[wicked117]

DPSSOC wrote...

VS ME3 Wishlist
And if you're reading this Bioware keep in mind I shouldn't have had to include 1 through 3;
1)They're in the game
2) They're a squadmate
3) We can continue the romance
Now that that's taken care of
4) We are forced to explain ourselves.  One thing I did like about the VS in ME2 is that they didn't just instantly accept Shepard's story (admit it folks it's a little crazy), and I would like to see that continue so that when, or shortly after, we meet the VS in ME3 we have to answer the tough questions (why didn't you contact me, where have you been, why are/were you with Cerberus, etc).  Every other squadmate just accepts that you died and came back to life and realistically the only person who shouldn't be phased by it is Liara (which should have made us suspiscious, which should have led us to probing, which should have led to Liara explaining how Cerberus got your body as opposed to "Hey Shep thanks for helping me out and I gave your body to Cerberus."  Sorry getting off mesage).  Let the VS be the last skeptic in the galaxy please.
5) No death.  The VS might as well have been dead in ME2; give them a break in ME3.
6) Let the reunion be epic.
7) VS curses out Joker and/or Garrus for not letting them know Shepard was alive and they were serving with him/her.

Love everything said here :happy: 

[ADLegend21]

Brodyaha wrote...

Lukas Kristjanson wrote Kaidan, Joker, and Jacob, but those are the two I remember now, and he wrote on the DA2 team.

I like him. I just hope he writes Kaidan for ME3.

 indeed.

[ADLegend21]

DPSSOC wrote...

VS ME3 Wishlist
And if you're reading this Bioware keep in mind I shouldn't have had to include 1 through 3;
1)They're in the game
2) They're a squadmate
3) We can continue the romance
Now that that's taken care of
4) We are forced to explain ourselves.  One thing I did like about the VS in ME2 is that they didn't just instantly accept Shepard's story (admit it folks it's a little crazy), and I would like to see that continue so that when, or shortly after, we meet the VS in ME3 we have to answer the tough questions (why didn't you contact me, where have you been, why are/were you with Cerberus, etc).  Every other squadmate just accepts that you died and came back to life and realistically the only person who shouldn't be phased by it is Liara (which should have made us suspiscious, which should have led us to probing, which should have led to Liara explaining how Cerberus got your body as opposed to "Hey Shep thanks for helping me out and I gave your body to Cerberus."  Sorry getting off mesage).  Let the VS be the last skeptic in the galaxy please.
5) No death.  The VS might as well have been dead in ME2; give them a break in ME3.
6) Let the reunion be epic and emotional
7) VS curses out Joker and/or Garrus for not letting them know Shepard was alive and they were serving with him/her.

8.) Make the VS a squad leader at some point to finish off the collectors as they attack earth.
9.)Kaidan, since he's the same rank as Shepard, should have his own Ship and crew in the reaper battle.
10.) For Ashley, her family's black listing should he lifted and she should be promoted to at least a Lieutenant.
11.)They should have witty and funny dialogue and great in combat banter!

[DPSSOC]

ADLegend21 wrote...
9.)Kaidan, since he's the same rank as Shepard, should have his own Ship and crew in the reaper battle.

Kaidan's technically your superior.  Shepard's full rank is Lieutenant Commander while Kaidan is a Staff Commander.  Which reminds me #12 have Kaidan pull rank (just once) in a joking manner.  This might be best if left exclusive to those who romanced him (playful teasing) but I think it would be good for a chuckle.

[ADLegend21]

DPSSOC wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
9.)Kaidan, since he's the same rank as Shepard, should have his own Ship and crew in the reaper battle.

Kaidan's technically your superior.  Shepard's full rank is Lieutenant Commander while Kaidan is a Staff Commander.  Which reminds me #12 have Kaidan pull rank (just once) in a joking manner.  This might be best if left exclusive to those who romanced him (playful teasing) but I think it would be good for a chuckle.

while that would be cute, and if we're getting technical, Shepard outranks Kaidan by light years due to being a Spectre.
Kaidan: as Staff Commander I out rank you Sir/M'am.
Shepard: As a Spectre I outrank you, so shut up.
Kaidan: thats not fair Shepard.

[wicked117]

ADLegend21 wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
9.)Kaidan, since he's the same rank as Shepard, should have his own Ship and crew in the reaper battle.

Kaidan's technically your superior.  Shepard's full rank is Lieutenant Commander while Kaidan is a Staff Commander.  Which reminds me #12 have Kaidan pull rank (just once) in a joking manner.  This might be best if left exclusive to those who romanced him (playful teasing) but I think it would be good for a chuckle.

while that would be cute, and if we're getting technical, Shepard outranks Kaidan by light years due to being a Spectre.
Kaidan: as Staff Commander I out rank you Sir/M'am.
Shepard: As a Spectre I outrank you, so shut up.
Kaidan: thats not fair Shepard.

Wouldn't it be interesting to have Kaidan/Ash become a spectre for ME3?  

[FireEye]

wicked117 wrote...

Wouldn't it be interesting to have Kaidan/Ash become a spectre for ME3?  

Only if they don't die like every other Spectre we've encountered so far, sure. 

[Estelindis]

Ideas?  Exxxxxcellent... 

I think that when posting our suggestions it would be helpful to distinguish between ideas that could work equally well for both Ashley and Kaidan (things that would be in-character and in-flavour for both of them, thus saving on development costs without taking from their differences) and ideas that would be unique to each character (showing that choices matter and giving the characters some great personal moments).  I also think we should give lots of suggestions of both kinds. 

Some factors common to Ash and Kai and possible hooks for quests, general plot developments, or just conversations:

• Loyalty to the Alliance.  After Shep was killed, Ashley or Kaidan would have worked with various other members of the Alliance military.  These characters could be introduced to Shepard by Kai/Ash and could provide plot hooks.  Some of them could be key flavour NPCs in Alliance-centric missions.  Also, their relationships/interaction with Ash and Kai could provide character exposition that shows us more about how the Virmire Survivor has developed in the past two years.
• Links to the Normandy.  Kaidan and Ashley knew crew like Joker and Chakwas as well as old squadmates (Garrus, Tali, Liara and Wrex).  Depending on the characters in question, there could be some friction based on past choices (e.g. the VS not joining the SR2, others working with or joining Cerberus).  But this would gradually give way to the characters understanding the other's position and at least acknowledging the difficult choices they had to make (even if they still don't agree).
• First-hand experience of the Reaper threat.  We see that Ashley and Kaidan tried to make sure the Reapers weren't forgotten and the threat was acted upon, but were slowly buried under bureaucracy and denial.  We see what evidence they might have come across on their various missions and how they weren't listened to.  We find out what eventually came of the report they filed after Horizon and what they did afterwards.  In ME3, Kaidan or Ashley might play the role of a key witness to all the evidence of the Reapers who can't simply be dismissed as a pawn of Cerberus, due to their constant loyalty and obediance to the Alliance.

Even if my particular suggestions aren't very good, practical, or helpful, I think that the format of "Ash and Kai" vs. "Ash or Kai" is a useful one. It's kinda late in my part of the world right now, though, so I should head to bed. But I will post some more suggestions unique to Kaidan or Ashley as soon as I can.

Modifié par Estelindis, 31 mars 2011 - 01:31 .

[Lord Zeuss]

Mesina2 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

*snip*

Actually it started on Eden Prime but I should shut up do to epic picture.

The whole story started on Eden Prime, yes. The ordeal for Ashley and Kaidan fans began on Virmire.

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 31 mars 2011 - 02:40 .

[Clonedzero]

i hope i can kick ashleys ass for being so difficult on horizon. i better be able to lay into them about bailing on me without letting me properly explain myself or show them whats going on.

her being all "oh you're with cerberus? well im leaving then" without letting me explain or show her whats been going on was insane, made me HATE ashley to the point where i'd like to kill her off.

i dunno how anyone can support kaiden / ashley after that reunion scene. seriously made me want to stab a screwdriver into their neck or something.

i want that kind of reaction available to my shepard. like "oh NOW you want to help? well screw you. i coulda used your help against the collectors but you got all uppity for no reason!"

also, im going to go nuts if ashley suddenly yells at me for not being faithful to her after that scene. screw her.

[Estelindis]

Clonedzero, if I may ask, how did you think Shepard comported himself on Horizon? A lot of us who sympathise with Ashley / Kaidan's reaction there think that Shepard's dialogue didn't give them much choice. (Not that we as players had much say in said dialogue, as it was all awful. "Hey, how've you been?" after they think you've been dead for two years - really?)

Anyway, to be fair, it seems like a sizeable portion of the ME fanbase in general does want the chance to lash out at Ashley and Kaidan for Horizon. While I don't agree, and will never upbraid them for refusing to join Cerberus, the option to get visibly angry should probably be there.

[Clonedzero]

Estelindis wrote...

Clonedzero, if I may ask, how did you think Shepard comported himself on Horizon? A lot of us who sympathise with Ashley / Kaidan's reaction there think that Shepard's dialogue didn't give them much choice. (Not that we as players had much say in said dialogue, as it was all awful. "Hey, how've you been?" after they think you've been dead for two years - really?)

Anyway, to be fair, it seems like a sizeable portion of the ME fanbase in general does want the chance to lash out at Ashley and Kaidan for Horizon. While I don't agree, and will never upbraid them for refusing to join Cerberus, the option to get visibly angry should probably be there.

well garrus and tali didnt really join cerberus, they joined you, since they knew that if you were involved it was important enough to put aside their bias against cerberus (both who had a bigger reason to hate cerberus than ashley/kaiden does). tali even mentions how she thought you were undercover at first but still joins you.

i think shepard did fine in explaining himself though, well with the short time he was given i dont remember it line for line, by my last time through was something like "hey, yeah im sorry, i was dead for two years cerberus rebuilt me and theres some serious issues with the collectors working with the reapers going on, i could really use yours help"

and she was completely unwilling to hear me out and just walked away. made me feel betrayed and abandoned. i thought out of anyone they'd be willing to join you, but nope. so my big wish is that i can show that to them in ME3.

"hey you ditched me when i needed help, so screw you" or something. ashley in my case has to do something really awesome to win me back onto her side. otherwise she will be the character i let die every playthrough

[DPSSOC]

Clonedzero wrote...
her being all "oh you're with cerberus? well im leaving then" without letting me explain or show her whats been going on was insane, made me HATE ashley to the point where i'd like to kill her off.

Shepard does explain, badly.

VS: Where have you been?  Why didn't you contact me?
S: I was in a coma while Cerberus rebuilt me.
VS: You're with Cerberus
S: Yeah but it's cool.  The Collectors are abducting humans for the Reapers and we're stopping them.
VS: How do you know the Collectors are working for the Reapers
S: Cerberus told me
VS: What if they're lying to you?
S: They wouldn't do that turns to Miranda and JacobI right guys?
VS: I can't believe you're working with terrorists, that you trust them, what if they did something to you.
S: No really it's all cool I talked to their boss and everything.
VS: Whatever I'm reporting back to the Alliance, goodbye Shepard, stay safe
S: Bye.

Clonedzero wrote...
i dunno how anyone can support kaiden / ashley after that reunion scene. seriously made me want to stab a screwdriver into their neck or something.

i want that kind of reaction available to my shepard. like "oh NOW you want to help? well screw you. i coulda used your help against the collectors but you got all uppity for no reason!"

I think Garrus and Tali set up an unrealistic expectation.  Imagine how you'd react if someone you know, someone you cared for, died and then showed up 2 years later acting like nothing happened.  2 years you think they're dead and they just waltz in like they've only been gone for a few days.  Might I say you'd be rather upset, might I add rightly so.  The VS is the only one who responds in a real, understandable way.  Garrus, Tali, Wrex, and Anderson just kind of shrug off the fact you're back without a second thought.  They don't ask you what you've been doing for the past 2 years, why you're with Cerberus, why you haven't gotten in touch before now, they just kind of go, "Hey Shepard's back." and move on.  That's great cause it keeps the story moving but no real person would just shrug off "you died 2 years ago and now you're back" without a mountain of questions and skepticism.

[Estelindis]

Clonedzero wrote...

]well garrus and tali didnt really join cerberus, they joined you, since they knew that if you were involved it was important enough to put aside their bias against cerberus (both who had a bigger reason to hate cerberus than ashley/kaiden does). tali even mentions how she thought you were undercover at first but still joins you.

i think shepard did fine in explaining himself though, well with the short time he was given i dont remember it line for line, by my last time through was something like "hey, yeah im sorry, i was dead for two years cerberus rebuilt me and theres some serious issues with the collectors working with the reapers going on, i could really use yours help" 

and she was completely unwilling to hear me out and just walked away. made me feel betrayed and abandoned. i thought out of anyone they'd be willing to join you, but nope. so my big wish is that i can show that to them in ME3. 

"hey you ditched me when i needed help, so screw you" or something. ashley in my case has to do something really awesome to win me back onto her side. otherwise she will be the character i let die every playthrough 

I understand your feelings (genuinely), but I think it's a lot to deal with for Ashley (and, for that matter, Kaidan) to have to face someone they care about, who they essentially saw die, and for whom have mourned for two years suddenly being alive and working with a group to whom they were stalwartly opposed previously. As far as I'm concerned, both Ashley/Kaidan and Shepard are victims of circumstance. Shepard may have tried to contact his old love/friend, but was stonewalled by Anderson, so he has no way of preparing Ashley for the truth. And Ashley had just been through a traumatic Collector attack in which she was paralysed and could do nothing but watch as the colonists she was supposed to be protecting were taken away. Afterwards, if you talk to TIM, you find that he leaked the information about Horizon to draw the Collectors there - so what Ashley went through was Cerberus's fault. It's not at all unfair for her to be hesitant about working with them, even with Shepard's involvement. They can't be trusted, even if Shepard can. So Ashley can care about Shepard and want the best for him, and still feel she can't cooperate with Cerberus and has to keep doing her duty for the Alliance.

I think the important thing is to try to see it from all the characters' points of view, even though we naturally empathise most with Shepard since that's the role we're playing.

Modifié par Estelindis, 31 mars 2011 - 03:22 .

[wicked117]

DPSSOC wrote...


I think Garrus and Tali set up an unrealistic expectation.  Imagine how you'd react if someone you know, someone you cared for, died and then showed up 2 years later acting like nothing happened.  2 years you think they're dead and they just waltz in like they've only been gone for a few days.  Might I say you'd be rather upset, might I add rightly so.  The VS is the only one who responds in a real, understandable way.  Garrus, Tali, Wrex, and Anderson just kind of shrug off the fact you're back without a second thought.  They don't ask you what you've been doing for the past 2 years, why you're with Cerberus, why you haven't gotten in touch before now, they just kind of go, "Hey Shepard's back." and move on.  That's great cause it keeps the story moving but no real person would just shrug off "you died 2 years ago and now you're back" without a mountain of questions and skepticism.

If I thought that someone I cared for was dead and suddenly they pop up 2 years later I would be stunned at first then happy they were alive. But that happiness would last about 23.7 seconds before it was overcome by the question of where the heck have they been? And if they showed up affiliated with a terrorist group I would be like what the eff!? I feel like their reaction was more believable as well.  

[DPSSOC]

wicked117 wrote...
If I thought that someone I cared for was dead and suddenly they pop up 2 years later I would be stunned at first then happy they were alive. But that happiness would last about 23.7 seconds before it was overcome by the question of where the heck have they been?

 
\\heads to youtube

0:49 - 1:20 Ash (at least) is happy to see you for about 30 seconds, and it's only ruined because Shepard said the wrong thing (I would recommend "It's a long story, if you've got the time." Expressing that you understand you've got some 'splainin' to do)

Anyone know if Kaidan get's better/worse mileage.

Edit: Kaidan get's about the same

Modifié par DPSSOC, 31 mars 2011 - 04:00 .