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[sagefic]

I still would like to see Shep take sides re: Cerberus/the Alliance. I just finished another playthrough of ME2 and realized that at the end, paragon shep just says to the Illusive Man "Fall in line or get out of my way" - so that's not really breaking with cerberus or rejoining the Alliance or anything. i am very curious to see what TIM does in response. or what the alliance will say to a shep who keeps the base and continues on with Cerberus.

[FireEye]

Brodyaha wrote...

I've been thinking.
I'm not saying that Cerberus is an unimportant subplot within the ME universe.
It's been mentioned a few times that infiltratng Cerberus cells would be cool, then to take that information back to the Alliance (or not, depending on loyalty).
But, it just seems that it was done a lot in both ME1 and ME2, that to use it for Kaidan and Ashley DLC would be redundant.

I would be happy if Cerberus was retconned out of existence, even if it meant I had to give up my Sole Survivor background.

But I figured we gotta work with what we got. 

[sagefic]

okay, question for DLC requesters/fans:

1) would you want a romance "resolution" in a DLC or just a hint that it is to come in ME3? so, something now or a cliffhanger, as it were?

2) would you want to
a)see ash/kaidan be put in a sexualizing light (e.g., like miranda's butt shots or blatant poses that show off jack's boobs - in a similar way, show off ash's figure, same for kaidan)
omg no! or
c) only for a scene specific to romance-imports

Modifié par sagequeen, 30 août 2010 - 08:57 .

[Aggie Punbot]

1). A hint would be nice. I still have hope that our ME1 love interest will have a significant role in ME3.

2 No. Cheesecake is fine for characters that are specifically designed for that (like Miranda) but it would just look ridiculous on others.

[Lord Zeuss]

sagequeen wrote...

okay, question for DLC requesters/fans:

1) would you want a romance "resolution" in a DLC or just a hint that it is to come in ME3? so, something now or a cliffhanger, as it were?

2) would you want to
a)see ash/kaidan be put in a sexualizing light (e.g., like miranda's butt shots or blatant poses that show off jack's boobs - in a similar way, show off ash's figure, same for kaidan)
omg no! or
c) only for a scene specific to romance-imports

1) Not "resolution" per se, but there ought to be some kind of continuation that will make the relationship make sense in ME3.

2) No. /Sten

[FireEye]

sagequeen wrote...

okay, question for DLC requesters/fans:

1) would you want a romance "resolution" in a DLC or just a hint that it is to come in ME3? so, something now or a cliffhanger, as it were?

2) would you want to
a)see ash/kaidan be put in a sexualizing light (e.g., like miranda's butt shots or blatant poses that show off jack's boobs - in a similar way, show off ash's figure, same for kaidan)
omg no! or
c) only for a scene specific to romance-imports

1) I don't care if there's a lack of resolution to the romance arc in the DLC.  I would like some acknowledgment of the romance, if in effect, even if it's still in the rough patch.  Resolution in this case can simply be working things out later or something.

2) No, no, no, and no.  Thank you.

I'm... kinda waiting to see how Liara is handled, I guess - If they resolve her romance adequately in DLC, I suppose I'd want the same thing for Ash and Kaidan.  If they leave it open ended for ME3, same deal.

[Chignon]

sagequeen wrote...

okay, question for DLC requesters/fans:

1) would you want a romance "resolution" in a DLC or just a hint that it is to come in ME3? so, something now or a cliffhanger, as it were?

2) would you want to
a)see ash/kaidan be put in a sexualizing light (e.g., like miranda's butt shots or blatant poses that show off jack's boobs - in a similar way, show off ash's figure, same for kaidan)
omg no! or
c) only for a scene specific to romance-imports

1) Not a real "resolution", but also something more than a hint of what's to come. I want something that doesn't leave me as frustrated as Horizon and the message that followed. I want Shepard and Kaidan or Ash to be able to leave on good terms, or slightly more than that if they are the LI.

2) No. I have enough of this ME2 superhero armor stuff - as someone here dubbed it - with close up butt/boob shots. I want Ash and Kaidan as they were in ME1. And if there indeed is a romance scene, I'd like it to be subtle.

[chem light]

Hey, there's hope. Everyone thought they abandoned Morrigan too but she's coming back in With Hunt. If they did everyone in Dragon Age then...

[syllogi]

sagequeen wrote...

okay, question for DLC requesters/fans:

1) would you want a romance "resolution" in a DLC or just a hint that it is to come in ME3? so, something now or a cliffhanger, as it were?

2) would you want to
a)see ash/kaidan be put in a sexualizing light (e.g., like miranda's butt shots or blatant poses that show off jack's boobs - in a similar way, show off ash's figure, same for kaidan)
omg no! or
c) only for a scene specific to romance-imports

1)  Nah, I'd want the resolution in ME3, I'd be so giddy and hopeful if they left the DLC with a cliffhanger, it would be worth the anticipation to wait for a hopefully bigger reward in the end.

2)  C please.  And even then, something like a hug or a touch would mean a lot without feeling gratuitous.  But of course, that's just me, other people might have other ideas...

[sir-edmund]

sagequeen wrote...

okay, question for DLC requesters/fans:

1) would you want a romance "resolution" in a DLC or just a hint that it is to come in ME3? so, something now or a cliffhanger, as it were?

2) would you want to
a)see ash/kaidan be put in a sexualizing light (e.g., like miranda's butt shots or blatant poses that show off jack's boobs - in a similar way, show off ash's figure, same for kaidan)
omg no! or
c) only for a scene specific to romance-imports

1. I decidedly do not want resolution just yet. From a storytelling perspective resolution should be saved for the final act, not the intermission. It would carry more emotional weight and be more rewarding if it was tied into the climax of the whole story. I wouldn't want it to come across as an aside, “oh yeah, that sub-plot. Uh, here, have an ending, whatever. Now back to your regularly scheduled game.” In ME1 the romance was intertwined with the rest of the story, and I would want that trend to be continued in ME3. I think a DLC adventure with Shepard and the VS full of tension and spoken and unspoken angst, with both characters walking on eggshells around each other would be more fun than “I'm sorry,” “I'm sorry, too. Ok, let's forget it.” This whole conflict is way too complicated to be healed with a DLC band-aid. It's going to take an entire game to smooth things over to my own satisfaction.

2. For me it was all about personality, looks had very little to do with it. I'm mean, yeah, I think both VSs are physically attractive, but it never felt exploitative and that's not what got me interested in them in the first place. I loved Kaidan because was considerate and insightful and was honestly concerned about the PC's well being. His support was unconditional and unwavering, because it was his duty and because he actually cared. The fact that he had a nice figure was great, but not the first thing I noticed, or even the second.

Both Kaidan and Ash functioned more as pillars of emotional support rather than as pieces of tail. I like how realistically proportioned Ash was (for a video game). Yeah, she was nice and slender, but you don't really see too many fat marines. She didn't come across as overly sexualized at all (unlike certain Cerberus operative who will remain nameless) and I really appreciated that. I mean, yeah, she has that stupid pink armor, but as a friend pointed out, there's a great dichotomy between her phoenix armor and her personality. When I first saw her on Eden Prime I thought, “Oh, great, it's Soldier Barbie,” and then she turned out to be one of the most competent and independent fighters and character in the whole game and that is awesome.

I know, tl;dr, but what I'm trying to get at is sexualizing at this point would seem rather disingenuous. Which isn't to say that I don't want physicality between characters (quite the opposite, I'd like more of that. It's one of those weird disconnects in video games, the characters rarely touch each other, and Mass Effect has made great advances in that area) but basically I think money shots at this point would just feel cheap.

Edited; because I somehow managed to mess up sagequeen's quote and didn't notice until seven hours later

Modifié par sir-edmund, 31 août 2010 - 08:32 .

[FireEye]

sir-edmund wrote...

1. I decidedly do not want resolution just yet. From a storytelling perspective resolution should be saved for the final act, not the intermission. It would carry more emotional weight and be more rewarding if it was tied into the climax of the whole story. I wouldn't want it to come across as an aside, “oh yeah, that sub-plot. Uh, here, have an ending, whatever. Now back to your regularly scheduled game.” In ME1 the romance was intertwined with the rest of the story, and I would want that trend to be continued in ME3. I think a DLC adventure with Shepard and the VS full of tension and spoken and unspoken angst, with both characters walking on eggshells around each other would be more fun than “I'm sorry,” “I'm sorry, too. Ok, let's forget it.” This whole conflict is way too complicated to be healed with a DLC band-aid. It's going to take an entire game to smooth things over to my own satisfaction.

2. For me it was all about personality, looks had very little to do with it. I'm mean, yeah, I think both VSs are physically attractive, but it never felt exploitative and that's not what got me interested in them in the first place. I loved Kaidan because was considerate and insightful and was honestly concerned about the PC's well being. His support was unconditional and unwavering, because it was his duty and because he actually cared. The fact that he had a nice figure was great, but not the first thing I noticed, or even the second.

Both Kaidan and Ash functioned more as pillars of emotional support rather than as pieces of tail. I like how realistically proportioned Ash was (for a video game). Yeah, she was nice and slender, but you don't really see too many fat marines. She didn't come across as overly sexualized at all (unlike certain Cerberus operative who will remain nameless) and I really appreciated that. I mean, yeah, she has that stupid pink armor, but as a friend pointed out, there's a great dichotomy between her phoenix armor and her personality. When I first saw her on Eden Prime I thought, “Oh, great, it's Soldier Barbie,” and then she turned out to be one of the most competent and independent fighter and character in the whole game and that is awesome.

I know, tl;dr, but what I'm trying to get at is sexualizing at this point would seem rather disingenuous. Which isn't to say that I don't want physicality between characters (quite the opposite, I'd like more of that. It's one of those weird disconnects in video games, the characters rarely touch each other, and Mass Effect has made great advances in that area) but basically I think money shots at this point would just feel cheap.

I agree with what you said and like the way you said it. 

[Stormy-B]

sagequeen wrote...

I still would like to see Shep take sides re: Cerberus/the Alliance. I just finished another playthrough of ME2 and realized that at the end, paragon shep just says to the Illusive Man "Fall in line or get out of my way" - so that's not really breaking with cerberus or rejoining the Alliance or anything. i am very curious to see what TIM does in response. or what the alliance will say to a shep who keeps the base and continues on with Cerberus.

This. I really wanted the option of joining Cerberus 100% with at least one of my sheps... Finished my Renegade character recently and no, still impossible to not say something potentially threatening to T.I.M. even though I had basically been Cerberus lapdog throughout the game.

This leads me to believe that the whatever you did at the end of ME2, Cerberus will attack you in ME3, just for different reasons i.e Treachery/Liability.

But to get back to topic. I would certainly like Ash/Kai DLC, maybe helping them hit a terrorist cell, just to find out that it's actually Cerberus halfway through, and then getting the option of saving or destroying the facility thus cementing your allegiance either way.

[Stormy-B]

sagequeen wrote...

okay, question for DLC requesters/fans:

1) would you want a romance "resolution" in a DLC or just a hint that it is to come in ME3? so, something now or a cliffhanger, as it were?

2) would you want to
a)see ash/kaidan be put in a sexualizing light (e.g., like miranda's butt shots or blatant poses that show off jack's boobs - in a similar way, show off ash's figure, same for kaidan)
omg no! or
c) only for a scene specific to romance-imports

1: Not a resolution, but rather a hint. With the possibillity of a full resolution/romance in ME3.

2: B, maybe C. But I'd rather take good romantic dialogue.

[MisterDyslexo]

I haven't read the whole thread (I'll get to it) but if it hasn't been mentioned, I think it would do ghis possible DLC good if it was only Shepard, no squadmates on the mission. Just Shepard and Ash/Kaiden. It would definitely add more to the depth of whats going on in the plot, and add a tense feeling, it being just you and them. I'm not saying leave the other characters out, a lot of people would prefer if VS interacted with Garrus, Joker, Tali, etc. I just feel it would just be better if it were only the two of them together on the mission

[Dem_B]

Evidence of the existence of Reapers.  
In this DLC Shepard will find irrefutable evidence of the existence Reapers and council will
start preparations for the greatest battle the galaxy.
Technology more ancient race than Protheans, and new unexplored corners of the galaxy.
Want to know more? social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/4614404

Modifié par Dem_B, 31 août 2010 - 10:13 .

[Badpie]

sagequeen wrote...

okay, question for DLC requesters/fans:

1) would you want a romance "resolution" in a DLC or just a hint that it is to come in ME3? so, something now or a cliffhanger, as it were?

2) would you want to
a)see ash/kaidan be put in a sexualizing light (e.g., like miranda's butt shots or blatant poses that show off jack's boobs - in a similar way, show off ash's figure, same for kaidan)
omg no! or
c) only for a scene specific to romance-imports

1) I really only want a hint at what's to come in ME3. I don't feel like it can be fully developed in DLC and I look forward to being able to rebuild the relationship/friendship over 40+ hours instead of over 2.

2) Part of what's awesome about Ashley in particular is that she's sexy without being oversexed.  She wears heavy armor, has a military bun and wears no makeup.  Not a whole lot of women can pull that off and still be considered one of the sexiest women in gaming.  I would be disappointed actually if they decided she needed a cat suit like Miranda's or something impractical like Jack's belt shirt.  Speaking as a woman, Ashley is refreshingly real.  And that's sexy.

c) That being said, the amount of sexy there was in the love scene in ME1 was ridiculously hot. I like the PG13 suggestion coupled with some, but not too much skin.  It was very tasteful and respectful of the females in the game.  I hope to see something like this in ME3.  ME2's female love scenes suffered from trying to show too much - not skinwise - but activity wise.  Just didn't really work for me because it looked kind of clunky and awkward, whereas the ME1 stuff was fluid and beautifully "shot."

Modifié par Badpie, 31 août 2010 - 12:11 .

[sagefic]

Badpie wrote...
Part of what's awesome about Ashley in particular is that she's sexy without being oversexed.  

I agree. And I think the same is true of Kaidan.

Both Kaidan and Ash are subtle characters, and that's part of what made them awesome. As much as I love ME2, there are times I felt, well, this is going to sound arrogant, but there's no other way to put it than my intelligence felt insulted by certain aspects of the storytelling - mainly the characterization. For all the subtlety of plots about the geneophage, the politics of Cerberus and the Council, all the tricky decisions to be made (never could make up my mind about the geth), there were also very blantant "Miranda R sexy" - "Jack R hot" - "Thane R sexy, too" moments that threw me out of the game.

In ME1, two of the romances (the VS) are between two marines on duty. The third was with this sweet but awkward scientist. All start as friendship and grow into something more. I think part of the LIs there came out of the setting of the story - the SR1 was a place of professionalism and trust, the SR2 strikes me as a place of secrets and lies. I don't mean to diss the ME2 romances - i had some romanced toons that i liked, but again, my preference ran to the subtle sexiness of the first games relationships and the comraderie of the SR1. 

So i was just trying to get a feel for what other people thought about that. I have to say, i agree with the posts here that while i would like to see a nice battle cut-scene moment, i would prefer that the nudie/blatant fanservice stuff be left to the fanart realm. I think Kaidan/Ash being their awesome, in-character selves, rebuilding a foundation of trust with Shepard, would satisfy the existing fans and hopefully win new ones.

Modifié par sagequeen, 31 août 2010 - 02:05 .

[Chignon]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

I haven't read the whole thread (I'll get to it) but if it hasn't been mentioned, I think it would do ghis possible DLC good if it was only Shepard, no squadmates on the mission. Just Shepard and Ash/Kaiden. It would definitely add more to the depth of whats going on in the plot, and add a tense feeling, it being just you and them. I'm not saying leave the other characters out, a lot of people would prefer if VS interacted with Garrus, Joker, Tali, etc. I just feel it would just be better if it were only the two of them together on the mission

Oh, I love this! Very much so!
I'd like to see the both of them having to put Horizon and what's been said or not said aside to rely only on each other during a mission. It'd be very intense - combat and character delopment wise.

sagequeen wrote...

In ME1, two of the romances (the VS) are between two marines on duty. The third was with this sweet but awkward scientist. All start as friendship and grow into something more. I think part of the LIs there came out of the setting of the story - the SR1 was a place of professionalism and trust, the SR2 strikes me as a place of secrets and lies. I don't mean to diss the ME2 romances - i had some romanced toons that i liked, but again, my preference ran to the subtle sexiness of the first games relationships and the comraderie of the SR1. 

I never thought of the old and new Normandy like that. Sagequeen, you really have a way with words! As if it wasn't obvious enough in your stories, but I thought I'd say it nonetheless.

[sagefic]

thanks chignon 

I, too, would love to the a VS DLC be just Shepard and the VS. True enough - making dialog for all the squaddies would be a pain and not having it would be awkward. Especially as the DLC would have to be post-suicide mission and who knows who you had survive. They'll already have to drag in both Sbarge and Kimberly what's her name and Hale and Meer for the VA is it is. Hopefully people from the Alliance, too. So yeah, for the sake of simplicity, just the VS. and for the sake of the story, it would be quite epic to have Shep off, separated from the new crew, having to decide if he/she trusts the VS again, trusts the Alliances, etc. There could be many awesome moments during a mission where they have to rely on one another again. Heck, the VS was with Shep from the beginning - the emotional weight of them being in battle together again alone would be worth the price of admission. no fanservice needed. good times for a bro-shep/sis-shep moment, too, for the non-romanced.

yeah. i like that idea a lot.

Modifié par sagequeen, 31 août 2010 - 04:46 .

[MisterDyslexo]

I personally would like to see the mission involve the reapers somehow at a place that directly relates to their past. That being said, I think Virmire wouldn't be a poor choice of location. there was Saren's research on the genophage/indoctrination and the prothean beacon. If they made up some reason to go there like "A whole bunch of krogan clans have all went to Virmire. You'd better check this out", Shepard could go there and meet VS who was there because Alliance says that "Cerberus is salvaging the research of the base and trying to use indoctrination",. Whole lot of krogan show up, you shoot your way through the ruins, and come to some sort of conclusion that leads to reconciling/ditchiing VS, helping Alliance or Cerberus, etc

[FireEye]

Chignon wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

I haven't read the whole thread (I'll get to it) but if it hasn't been mentioned, I think it would do ghis possible DLC good if it was only Shepard, no squadmates on the mission. Just Shepard and Ash/Kaiden. It would definitely add more to the depth of whats going on in the plot, and add a tense feeling, it being just you and them. I'm not saying leave the other characters out, a lot of people would prefer if VS interacted with Garrus, Joker, Tali, etc. I just feel it would just be better if it were only the two of them together on the mission

Oh, I love this! Very much so!
I'd like to see the both of them having to put Horizon and what's been said or not said aside to rely only on each other during a mission. It'd be very intense - combat and character delopment wise.

I would like this as well. 

Although I wouldn't mind having Anderson along as a third squadmate, either.