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MisterDyslexo wrote...

Does anybody know if there are any other DLCs confirmed for after LotSB?


well from hearing from a lot of people most say a dlc with the virmire survivor ashley/kaiden so Im gonna guess something related or close if Bioware would care to choose a dlc option based by their fans and can deal with a link to ME2 to ME3 bridge.

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MisterDyslexo wrote...
Does anybody know if there are any other DLCs confirmed for after LotSB?

If we knew, and it involved Kaidan and Ashley, this thread wouldn't be here.  ^_^

I was seeing all the BW announcements for DLC and products, and the pattern seemed to be: armor, weapons, shirt, new squadmate, armor, weapons, shirt, new squadmate (of course, if you have Cerberus Network the pattern is nil).

BW had a magical, awesome summer, apparently, because we got all this awesome news; armor, new movie, Liara DLC, PS3 release....Now, I'm hoping with the new squadmates gone and the advent of Liara's DLC, the pattern will be, armor, weapon, shirt, bridge DLC, armor, weapon, shirt, bridge DLC, etc.

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There isn't room for another squadmmate. Its in the games programming, and the DLC would have to be pretty big to do allow another. Still, it doesn't mean they can't tag along aboard the ship or something

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I would definately be interested in some DLC involving Ash and Kaidan. It would be nice if nothing else to be able to touch base with them and have a conversation. For me it wouldn't even have to be a mission. Make it something that's only available after the suicide mission and have Ash or Kaidan invite you for dinner or something. It would be a nice chance for Shepard to relax and really reflect and be more personal. Maybe dinner leads to "something" maybe it doesn't. But even something like that would be welcomed for me.

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Bioware I just want too see Miranda and Ashley go at it and shepard in the middle thinking what he got him self into lol..catfight ftw!!!!



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  According to the SB trailer, it looks like they added quite a few new characters for this DLC, and of course some old ones:
  • Shepard
  • Liara
  • squadmate 1?
  • squadmate 2?
  • talking salarian dude on a screen
  • an asari in armor
  • Shadow Broker
  • Feron (he looked like he was getting electrocuted, so I don't know if he'll speak or not)
I will wait to render judgement for September 7-10.  But I wonder if all those voices will get in the way of Liara's character development development or focus?  It will be interesting to see how character development is weaved into the combat, or if there's any special conversations after, etc.

On the other hand, conversation might not play too much into it, aside from combat-specific stuff.  We know this DLC has breaking into the Shadow Broker's lair as the primary focus.  The DLC might focus more on the epicness of bringing closure to this subplot than on Liara's character development.  To me, this is okay.  I prefer other characters to Liara, admittedly, but I don't speak as a disliker of hers; but we know Liara's story of why she couldn't join Shepard on his/her SM.  We know why she wants to get revenge.  We know she hasn't been her ME1 self in the past two years.  The bigger picture is solved; now this DLC is adding in the details.

Meanwhile, we don't know much about Ashley or Kaidan.  We got a small conversation and email explaining their grief, but other than that, Anderson stonewalls both Shepard and the VS regarding intel.  We meet with them once in ME2, but have new dialogue with Liara at least three times.

Furthermore, I joined about a week before Lair of the Shadow Broker was announced by Priestly.  I never saw any Liara DLC wishlists from fans or anything.  I never saw what they requested.  (Maybe there wasn't a list.)  But in this wishlist, it seems to me the focus of the Kaidan and Ashley DLC has been to have lots of dialogue and conversation to bring some understanding and closure to the relationship--although combat is being requested, it is more of a secondary thing.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

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MisterDyslexo wrote...

There isn't room for another squadmmate. Its in the games programming, and the DLC would have to be pretty big to do allow another. Still, it doesn't mean they can't tag along aboard the ship or something


For Lair of the Shadow Broker, the assumption is that Liara will be a temporary teammate for the length of the mission, and at the end she'll go back to Illium or stay on the ship, but won't be available as a part of your team.  That's what most people would want for the Kaidan/Ashley DLC:  working along side them for one mission, and then at the end of that mission, they go back to the Alliance or stay on the Normandy without being available for further missions.  I don't think anyone assumes that they would make more room on the suicide squad roster for them, that would go against the devs reasoning for keeping them out of ME2 in the first place.

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MisterDyslexo wrote...

There isn't room for another squadmmate. Its in the games programming, and the DLC would have to be pretty big to do allow another. Still, it doesn't mean they can't tag along aboard the ship or something


For Lair of the Shadow Broker, the assumption is that Liara will be a temporary teammate for the length of the mission, and at the end she'll go back to Illium or stay on the ship, but won't be available as a part of your team.  That's what most people would want for the Kaidan/Ashley DLC:  working along side them for one mission, and then at the end of that mission, they go back to the Alliance or stay on the Normandy without being available for further missions.  I don't think anyone assumes that they would make more room on the suicide squad roster for them, that would go against the devs reasoning for keeping them out of ME2 in the first place.


Sorry, I was certain that I added in the OP that we only wanted them as temporary squadmates for DLC (permanent would be better, but squadmate restrictions...mur), as many requested.  OP is fixed.

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A DLC like this should be made. Liara is already getting one, would be plain BS madness not to make one for Kaidan/Ashley. I don't care about the default Shepard. I care about my FemShep and my romance with Kaidan. Kinda hard to play "your own story" if you don't get what you need for it, innit?

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Hmm, in response to this question on twitter yesterday:



@truffle If I got a new romance besides Liara will I be able to choose between Liara and my other romance in Shadow Broker DLC?




Christina Norman replied:



@elitelegend360 if you romanced someone other than Liara your name better be Lucy Shepard because you got some splainin to do




Very interesting. While I'm not interested in having a confrontation in ME3 or a DLC (because I stayed faithful to my ME1 LI in all my playthroughs so far, and haven't gotten the Paramour achievement on any character), having that scene for those who moved on now, in a DLC, instead of within ME3, might be a good idea. I guess those who romanced Kaidan or Ashley and moved on will get a clue of what to expect in the future from how Liara's DLC deals with Shepard having a new love interest, if she was his LI in ME1.



I am oddly hopeful, after hearing all this info about the Shadow Broker DLC. I just can't fathom that they would go all out for this, but not at least think about using Kaidan and Ashley for similar post suicide mission DLC.

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Schatten wrote...

*The meeting being marked by Ashley/Kaidan saving Shepard's life and not (once again) the opposite. Ashley should/could use her shotgun and some melee attacks against the enemy that is about to kill Shepard, just to finish him with another shot from her shotgun, while Kaidan should use his biotics to destroy the enemy armor/body and then launch him at the enemies like a bullet.


This would be great!!

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So has it been confirmed that LotSB is post or pre suicide mission?

I think a VS DLC MUST be post suicide mission. It hurt WAY too much to see the VS walk away on horizon and i could not stand to see them leave shepard to the suicide run again. Truly, I want to hear the VS's reaction when they realize what Shepard was up against there. from either ash or kaidan's email i cannot believe that they understood the stakes against shep. the emails are just too "dur" for that.

So yeah, I would have to say I want a VS DLC POST suicide mission and only post suicide mission. If a VS DLC is going to have anything to do with Alliance/Cerberus, it really ought to be after Timmy puts his cards on the table re: the collector base.

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sagequeen wrote...

So has it been confirmed that LotSB is post or pre suicide mission?


Can be done pre-Suicide Mission but the writers intended it to be a afterwards, so more conversations if you do it afterwards.

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Chris Priestly wrote...



Ok, some people have been asking when the Lair of the Shadowbroker DLC "takes place" in Mass Effect 2. As in can you play it before the suicide mission or only after.



I went to the font of knowledge (the Mass Effect writers) and asked them. They said:

"Like many of our missions, you can do the Shadowbroker DLC before or after the suicide mission. However, because we understood that most players would be coming to this after the suicide mission, we weighted the dialog much more heavily toward the assumption that the player had already completed it."



So, you CAN do it before you do the suicide mission, but you'll get a different (and possibly more flavorful) reaction if you play it after.



Hope this makes sense.







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sagequeen wrote...

I think a VS DLC MUST be post suicide mission. It hurt WAY too much to see the VS walk away on horizon and i could not stand to see them leave shepard to the suicide run again. Truly, I want to hear the VS's reaction when they realize what Shepard was up against there. from either ash or kaidan's email i cannot believe that they understood the stakes against shep. the emails are just too "dur" for that.


In fairness to the VS, I don't particularly understand the stakes against Shep either. I mean, my very first run through I got No One Left Behind by accident. The end boss takes five seconds to kill. Given they lived through something like Virmire, I can forgive Ash and Kaidan for not worrying more about the Commander's chance of surviving some oversized bugs. :whistle:

Seriously though, I agree that it needs to be post-SM. I wouldn't expect them to just go AWOL and follow Shep through the Omega-4 no matter when they reconcile - they're Alliance soldiers and they have a duty to the Alliance, and I respect that tremendously (even if a few of my Sheps don't) - but I just don't think a reconciliation makes much emotional sense before then. Obviously it can't happen before Horizon, since that content is fixed; immediately post-Horizon, it would feel too rushed, and undercut the impact of the schism there; once you get the IFF you don't have time for sidequests.

Plus if the VS DLC is about the Alliance, which it very much should be, it won't be able to have the impact it needs to if it has to let you go back to taking orders from TIM the minute it's over.

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Please, don't make more DLCs necessary to pursue a romantic path with the NPCs. This should be part of the game!

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I don't think anyone wants it to be necessary El - just sometime to flesh out the story a little more while we're waiting on ME3.

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Elriendel wrote...
Please, don't make more DLCs necessary to pursue a romantic path with the NPCs. This should be part of the game!

sagequeen wrote...
I don't think anyone wants it to be necessary El - just sometime to flesh out the story a little more while we're waiting on ME3.


I agree with sagequeen.  We're not saying having to purchase DLC's should be necessary to continue the romance.  It wouldn't make sense story-wise for a full resolution in DLC, when the story still needs to develop into the 3rd part of the trilogy.
But we would love some olive branches.  A hug, a kiss, or even just a promise that the romance will continue in ME3.  Something to tell fans, "Hey, you can continue this in ME3."
I will have more ideas for this thread once I purchase Lair of the Shadow Broker.  Others will probably have ideas too (without giving SB DLC spoilers, of course).
Besides, BW must understand that not everyone will buy the DLCs, or buy all of them in any case.  So, they'll probably accommodate for the love stories in ME3.

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Brodyaha wrote...

Elriendel wrote...
Please, don't make more DLCs necessary to pursue a romantic path with the NPCs. This should be part of the game!

sagequeen wrote...
I don't think anyone wants it to be necessary El - just sometime to flesh out the story a little more while we're waiting on ME3.


We're not saying having to purchase DLC's should be necessary to continue the romance.  It wouldn't make sense story-wise for a full resolution in DLC, with an unfinished trilogy.
But we would love some olive branches.  I will have more ideas for this thread once I purchase Lair of the Shadow Broker.  Others will probably have ideas too (without giving SB DLC spoilers, of course).
Besides, BW must understand that not everyone will buy the DLCs, or buy all of them in any case.  So, they'll probably accommodate for the love stories in ME3.


That just got me thinking about how BW could be encouraged to make this DLC. They can create the VS romance for ME3, or have "an exclusive romance with Ashley or Kaiden if you purchased the Reunion DLC". Sure, its a ****tease, but it would probably create better different content for ME3. It could be like that "mass effect galaxies" or whatever the iPhone thing was (even though that only affected 2 lines of dialogue)

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TeenZombie wrote...

Hmm, in response to this question on twitter yesterday:

@truffle If I got a new romance besides Liara will I be able to choose between Liara and my other romance in Shadow Broker DLC?


Christina Norman replied:

@elitelegend360 if you romanced someone other than Liara your name better be Lucy Shepard because you got some splainin to do


Very interesting. While I'm not interested in having a confrontation in ME3 or a DLC (because I stayed faithful to my ME1 LI in all my playthroughs so far, and haven't gotten the Paramour achievement on any character), having that scene for those who moved on now, in a DLC, instead of within ME3, might be a good idea. I guess those who romanced Kaidan or Ashley and moved on will get a clue of what to expect in the future from how Liara's DLC deals with Shepard having a new love interest, if she was his LI in ME1.

I am oddly hopeful, after hearing all this info about the Shadow Broker DLC. I just can't fathom that they would go all out for this, but not at least think about using Kaidan and Ashley for similar post suicide mission DLC.

But cheating on Liara might also be harder to justify since she's nice to Shepard--just won't join him/her due to her own issues.  shepard gets a kiss from Liara, don't they if she was romanced in ME1?
Whereas the interaction with Kaidan and Ashley was pretty harsh.

I guess I'm just a bit envious.  Image IPB

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@ Mister Dyslexo--BW could do that for ME3 for gamers who didn't purchase DLC.Heck, dialogue for Kaidan changed in ME1 for subsequent conversations, depending on what you asked him earlier.  I just discovered this yesterday.

I imagine that Kaidan or Ashley would want to address relationship issues with Shepard in ME3, even if they did in ME2 DLC.

BW could just make that conversation longer or shorter, pending on previous conditions.

Besides, BW has already stated they want to focus on bridging DLC, they should be prepared for gamer variables--what DLC is downloaded, is any downloaded at all, who survived Virmire.

Heck, if Mr. Hudson says there's going to be over 1000 variables accounted for in ME3, accounting for a couple more couldn't hurt.:P

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i support

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I vote no. Assley/Gaydan are shallow characters with little to no impact.

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cihimi wrote...

I vote no. Assley/Gaydan are shallow characters with little to no impact.


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