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[Lord Zeuss]

Due to its symbolism, Virmire would be the perfect place for another Reaper Avatar (Saren was one) to begin subverting the galaxy in preparation for the Reapers' coming. This DLC could be about the rise of another Saren-type character who could serve as the main or figurehead antagonist in ME3, and it would offer them the perfect opportunity to have the Virmire Survivor investigate something and turn up actual evidence, which so far hasn't happened. And of course such goings-on would obviously be of immense interest to Cerberus, so it would fit in with the "everything is a Cerberus Op" theme of Mass Effect 2 and at least give a credible reason for it to make sense that it can be played before or after the suicide mission (it is DLC after all).

So there you have it: Feature the Virmire Survivor in a significant way, bring the Alliance back into play in the Mass Effect universe, provide some true bridging material leading up to the announcement of ME3, and provide the perfect setting for both meaningful conversation/relationship continuation with Ashley/Kaidan and also for some kickass combat, all in one swoop.

[Ashii6]

I am glad that we make a wishlist here, but I have a feeling that BioWare will simply ignore it. I'm not sure why... Maybe after that what happened on the Horizon. We knew that someday will be released a DLC with Liara, but we do not have a information about VS DLC so far. But I'll keep waiting for VS DLC as long as I'll have to.

Modifié par Ashii6, 04 septembre 2010 - 02:06 .

[sagefic]

well even if none of these ideas are used - quite likely, actually, hopefully the demand for VS content will make them think it over.

[JockBuster]

Ashii6 wrote...

I am glad that we make a wishlist here, but I have a feeling that BioWare will simply ignore it. I'm not sure why... Maybe after that what happened on the Horizon. We knew that someday will be released a DLC with Liara, but we do not have a information about VS DLC so far. But I'll keep waiting for VS DLC as long as I'll have to.

What happened on Horizon was that Shepard was NOT allowed to explain fully HIS connection with Cerberus. Kaidan & Ashley only remember what happened in ME1 where Cerberus was THE enemy and still is to the Alliance & Council. Their reaction was not unexpected, but people seem to blame K&A for the whole scene. Listen to what K&A said in ME1 and the VERY beginning of ME2 during the attack. Pick the middle option and listen VERY carefully to the inflection of their replies to Shepard.
Actually a VS DLC with bringing Kaidan or Ashley back to rejoin Shepard's squad would work out really nice. Sure, some don't want either to return = solution don't buy it! Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything; that said, LotSB does appear to be integral to the story and is a "bridge DLC" to ME3.

Modifié par JockBuster, 04 septembre 2010 - 03:40 .

[Tazzmission]

JockBuster wrote...

Ashii6 wrote...

I am glad that we make a wishlist here, but I have a feeling that BioWare will simply ignore it. I'm not sure why... Maybe after that what happened on the Horizon. We knew that someday will be released a DLC with Liara, but we do not have a information about VS DLC so far. But I'll keep waiting for VS DLC as long as I'll have to.

Actually a VS DLC with bringing Kaidan or Ashley back to rejoin Shepard's squad would work out really nice. Sure, some don't want either to return = solution don't buy it! Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything; that said, LotSB does appear to be integral to the story and is a "bridge DLC" to ME3.

lotsb is more about the LI with the character you had from me1, now if bioware does indeed do something with kaidan and ashley my suggestion would be is the story could center around the decision you made on virmire and that sheps motives are even more question since his alliance with cerbrus, the goal could be in order to regain that members loyalty is to infiltrate the ((supposed)) illusive mans base and wipe it out and after the specific mission finished and pending if you romanced either of the 2 in game 1 they could be a LI

Modifié par Tazzmission, 04 septembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[Prince of Kemet]

If Bioware listens to us like they claim then, a VS DLC should be in development as we speak.....err umm write. There are too many great ideas in this thread alone for it to not happen. Besides, ME3 won't be out until the end of 2012 or beginning of 2013 so, Bioware has to keep the dlc coming to keep us interested and to keep the game fresh. My Shepard wants his woman back, for him, it's Ash or ash. I REALLY would love to have the opportunity to meet Ashley Shepard...that's how serious my Shepard is about her. The ball is in your court Bioware.

Modifié par Prince of Kemet, 04 septembre 2010 - 07:05 .

[Ashii6]

JockBuster wrote...


What happened on Horizon was that Shepard was NOT allowed to explain fully HIS connection with Cerberus. Kaidan & Ashley only remember what happened in ME1 where Cerberus was THE enemy and still is to the Alliance & Council. Their reaction was not unexpected, but people seem to blame K&A for the whole scene

By the actions of Ash/Kai on the Horizon they wanted to push people to a new LI from ME2.
Besides, I never blamed Ash/Kai for their actions on the Horizon.

JockBuster wrote...
Listen to what K&A said in ME1 and the VERY beginning of ME2
during the attack. Pick the middle option and listen VERY carefully to
the inflection of their replies to Shepard

Relax, I know what they say.

Modifié par Ashii6, 04 septembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[2A92 Legion]

Ash, you know us. Got you covered.

(Means that we actualy support VS DLC for ME2)

[Ashii6]

KKs_45 wrote...

Ash, you know us. Got you covered.
(Means that we actualy support VS DLC for ME2)

Good boy, Legion!
I knew I can count on you.

[siriusrambles]

@brody - i completely agree with your statement. no other characters in mass effect are an amalgam of one another. i'd appreciate the developers not cheapen them by having ash and kaidan recite the same lines, display similar battle abilities and mannerisms as they did post-virmire and in me2. they are nothing alike.

Modifié par siriusrambles, 04 septembre 2010 - 07:18 .

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

But what's the one thing you most want to see in Ash and Kaid DLC?

Character development  - for both of them, respecting that Ashley and Kaidan have very different personalities.

Character development is one of the things I find overall lacking in ME2 and the reason why I did not like some new characters and some of the characters I knew from ME1 as much as before. I'd hate to see it happening to Ashley and Kaidan, too. They went through so much in the two years after Shepard's death and it should be shown: what they went through, how they got through it and what it has made them. They've both grown, they've been promoted.
Horizon and the following message was an indication but I'd very much like that indication to be explored.

[MisterDyslexo]

Brodyaha wrote...

But what's the one thing you most want to see in Ash and Kaid DLC?

Character development, but not as in who they were in ME1, but what they've become over that time between meetings. Kaiden seems a beat-down and a little broken, a bit irrational. He reminds me of how Carth (and yes I realize he's a carth clone) had that dark-cloud of Telos follow him around over his head. Ash seems a bit more vulnerable to me, and as if she's trying to move on and be strong but can't quite, especially now that Shepard is back in the picture.

That being said, yes they definitely need different personalities in a possible DLC. They're completely different characters. Kaiden's very logical, passive, understanding, open-minded, and thinks about everything from multiple-perspectives. Ashley is fairly brazen, sympathetic, and actually seems to try to act conservatively with her attitude and feelings, and just tries to push things away.

[Snowie79]

Both Ash and Kaidan were very poorly implemented to the ME2 .. you had Joker flying the ship .. Garrus and Tali on the team .. could repeatedly visit Liara and Wrex (not much of a thrill but at least something) .. but you only had one cutscene and letter from Ash/Kaidan, they were great moments and letters were nice but that's just not enough for a statement that romances will continue in ME2. Liara got her fix and there better be one for Ash/Kaidan .. I didn't read any spoilers for the game back than (wanted to be surprised and not spoiled) .. so after beating the game I was dissapointed and angry at the result. Heh I still hate the second crew except for Thane and Legion ... So If there is any chance for me to buy ME2 to have an entire trilogy .. it's after rather excellent dlc content present .. After beating it once at my friends place I didn't found the game and the story worth my money and time .. I still feel like waiting for ME3 instead .. I just don't feel that fun and epicness playing it .. like I felt in the first game.

Shortly said .. I support DLC contents and I definitely support this .. It would suck to play ME1 and right away the third one.

<_<

Modifié par Snowie79, 05 septembre 2010 - 02:44 .

[JockBuster]

Ashii6 wrote...

JockBuster wrote...
What happened on Horizon was that Shepard was NOT allowed to explain fully HIS connection with Cerberus. Kaidan & Ashley only remember what happened in ME1 where Cerberus was THE enemy and still is to the Alliance & Council. Their reaction was not unexpected, but people seem to blame K&A for the whole scene

By the actions of Ash/Kai on the Horizon they wanted to push people to a new LI from ME2.
Besides, I never blamed Ash/Kai for their actions on the Horizon.

JockBuster wrote...
Listen to what K&A said in ME1 and the VERY beginning of ME2
during the attack. Pick the middle option and listen VERY carefully to
the inflection of their replies to Shepard

Relax, I know what they say.

It's not so much what they say, it's how they say it. First it is "Shepard..." very familiar and NOT Military protocol. And the inflection of Kaidan's voice (sorry I never save Ashley) and second (then "Commander...") sounding like he really did not want to abandon Shepard but finally is resigned to leave Shepard and the Normandy.
I never blamed them either, actually with all that happened it is expected and the e-mail bears that out.
As to "By the actions of Ash/Kai on the Horizon they wanted to push people to a new LI from ME2." "That's just BW messing with our heads." Or seeing how many people stay loyal to their ME1 LI or willing to cheat on him/her.

Modifié par JockBuster, 05 septembre 2010 - 04:20 .

[sagefic]

 most want?

• i agree, character development. ash/kaidan went through a LOT in the intervening years, so much that upon a sudden meeting with their former commander/good friend or commander/best friend or commander/lover, they were willing to turn on their heel and walk away without waiting for a full explanation. okay, yes, shep does a "derp", but really, they walked AWAY - the person who had once been with you until the end of a mutiny and suicidal run to stop saren. something clearly changed with them - i can guess what it is, heck, i've written/read fanfic on what it was, but seriously, i'd like to see BW give us a hint of that in game.
• with the above, this is a story-driven shooter (what a concept!) and a character-driven story. two major characters disappeared into horizon of...Horizon. i want those characters back and to see them developed.
• second most want? repair relationships with ash/kaidan
• third most want: resolution with the alliance somehow - either telling them to F-off for those sheps who feel betrayed and hate them, telling them to move out of the way for those who feel neutral, or proving loyalty to them for the ones who want to go back. seriously, in ME1, the alliance either saved you from the streets, from mindoir, or is almost synonymous with your spacer family. i dunno about others, but i found it very hard to leave them.

[sagefic]

@ bro: by all means.
I have faith the VS is still important, but I, too, would LOVE some indication that this is so. I think it is harder, because the VS is two characters, not one, and one is gone, and they're same-sex only (mods aside, and for now, anyway), so it is harder to develop them post Virmire. But yes, I am with you on all that.
I just love the VS characters so much - both of them - and want them to return to a huge role in the ME saga.

Modifié par sagequeen, 05 septembre 2010 - 10:28 .

[Chignon]

sagequeen wrote...

 most want?

• i agree, character development. ash/kaidan went through a LOT in the intervening years, so much that upon a sudden meeting with their former commander/good friend or commander/best friend or commander/lover, they were willing to turn on their heel and walk away without waiting for a full explanation. okay, yes, shep does a "derp", but really, they walked AWAY - the person who had once been with you until the end of a mutiny and suicidal run to stop saren. something clearly changed with them - i can guess what it is, heck, i've written/read fanfic on what it was, but seriously, i'd like to see BW give us a hint of that in game.
• with the above, this is a story-driven shooter (what a concept!) and a character-driven story. two major characters disappeared into horizon of...Horizon. i want those characters back and to see them developed.
• second most want? repair relationships with ash/kaidan
• third most want: resolution with the alliance somehow - either telling them to F-off for those sheps who feel betrayed and hate them, telling them to move out of the way for those who feel neutral, or proving loyalty to them for the ones who want to go back. seriously, in ME1, the alliance either saved you from the streets, from mindoir, or is almost synonymous with your spacer family. i dunno about others, but i found it very hard to leave them.

Very good points as always, sagequeen.

And yes, I agree. Even some hint from Bioware would be great.

[Quaay]

Kaidan needs a heroic cutscene where he shows off his biotic ability...in DLC and ME3 plz!

[Angmir]

I am pretty sure that VS DLC will be all about - secret mission given to them be the Alliance, Hacket probably will inform you about their secret operatives going silent, and you will have to save them from whatever menace is upon them
No question if it comes out - only when.

Modifié par Angmir, 06 septembre 2010 - 11:41 .

[Beocat]

Quaay wrote...

Kaidan needs a heroic cutscene where he shows off his biotic ability...in DLC and ME3 plz!

From what I had heard, they were supposed to be huge in ME3 (one of the "big decisions have big impacts" things) but I don't see why they can't throw us a bone and give us some bridging content...  I'd take just about anything right now.  ~sighs~

I do want to see a scene in ME3 however with Kaiden using his awesome biotic abilities.  I remember this one elevator conversation from ME1 between Tali and Kaiden where Tali said how impressed she was by his abilties and he responded how he was never going to hold back on the biotics anymore.  It always made me grin like a Chesire cat when I'd get to hear that conversation.  Getting to see it action would be even better.