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I really would like to see an Ashley/Kaiden DLC for many many reasons. Please, please give us some content!
Kaidan and Ashley in ME3 Wishlist
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 12:19
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Yes plz! But only if they get their personalities back.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 12:21
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We demand romantic content!
We demand romantic content!
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 12:50
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I support a Ashley/Kaidan DLC!
Something like this would be the way to go IMO. As long as there is an option to renegade them and bring them on board with you. (I don't intend to go back to the alliance unless I'm forced... Which I'm sure I will be. =/)
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Raanz wrote...
I would support this DLC. Ash is one of my favorite characters as I am sure Kaidan is probably some folks pick as well.
Um, yes. You obviously have not stumbled into that realm of fandom.
I would add to this that I would really like this to be the point at which loyalty to Cerberus OR the Alliance/Council is cemented OR a neutral path is chosen. I do not think that is unreasonable for a DLC. A newbie to the final game come take the middle road.
Here's a thought:
1 - Blew Base + Reinstated as Spectre ---> Cerberus is after you, Alliance wants to see if they can trust you/wants to protect you
2 - Kept Base + Not reinstated as Spectre ---> Alliance is planning to bring you in for treason (you're too much of a political nightmare at this point)
3 - Other Combo ---> Alliance is investigating you
Ashley/Kaidan are sent to "join you" on a mission. As the mission progresses you realize their underlying motives are 1 2 or 3, depending, and picking up intel on Cerberus to help the Alliance . you can either be mad at them or try to convince them to see things your way. you can also try to tie up problems with Horizon. partial resolution, but not a complete resolution here.
then, at the end, some moment of truth where you can either try to convince Ash/Kaidan once and for all to leave the Alliance and join you and Cerberus (renegading them might have helped?) OR take out a Cerberus cell and hand the info over to help the Alliance, thus causing you to be in good with the Alliance and Ashley/Kaidan to be "on loan" from the Alliance. one ending would have ash/kaidan return to the alliance. Perhaps a VERY renegade person could let Ash/kaidan die at this point. a paragon could get alliance help with the reapers. basically, you could either get ash and kaidan OR push them away and do this in response to how the alliance treated shep.
my rambling thoughts, anyhow
Something like this would be the way to go IMO. As long as there is an option to renegade them and bring them on board with you. (I don't intend to go back to the alliance unless I'm forced... Which I'm sure I will be. =/)
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 12:50
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@ Guanxii- I prefer my method (page 2) of dealing with unfaithful Sheps, but your idea is probably the next best thing in my opinion, especially when you need to introduce the characters for PS3 players.PureMethodActor wrote...
-There can be a moment where Ash/Kaidan discuss the time apart, hurt feelings, and Ash/Kaidan could say something like "I wouldn't be surprised if there was someone else in your life now given everything that's happened,"....
Yay, Udina-style: It's works for both sides! Rewarding faithful sheps and giving those who weren't the option to avoid any un-pleasentness whilst also giving you the option to be a complete jackass.
I'd imagine the accompanying choices on the dialogue wheel for those who imported would be:
I was faithful (only appears if "didn't cheat" was flagged) [Paragon]
I've moved on [Neutral]
You meant nothing to me [Renegade]
Thats a pretty good setup, pretty much along the lines I was thinking of. Though I would still include a Renegade[Lie] option for those who want it. Its good story-telling for those who choose it and if someone wanted their Shepard to be lying about the situation, then they could. Maybe "I moved on" and "you meant nothing to me" would be on the right of the wheel and the left would have the paragon "I was faithful" (if you remained faithful) and Renegade "[Lie] I was faithful" for cheating Shepards who have enough Renegade points to pull off the lie.
I personally wouldn't choose that renegade option if in that predicament but I still think it should be available for those who do want it.
Anyway just throwin more ideas in there.
Either way a VS pack should be made
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 01:30
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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
Something like this would be the way to go IMO. As long as there is an option to renegade them and bring them on board with you. (I don't intend to go back to the alliance unless I'm forced... Which I'm sure I will be. =/)
I think renegading them for people who play that slant would be good. Also, remembering whether you renegaded Kaidan or paragoned Ashley in ME1 would be nice, too.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 01:51
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@ MajesticJazz--the Liara info was somewhere in the forums. Since I couldn't find a direct quote, I rewrote that aspect of my OP.
The title of this topic was changed; reading some of the comments here, and agreeing that "Virmire Survivor," can apply to both Kaidan and Ashley, but it implies that one is a placeholder over the other, which might reduce the quality of potential DLC content.
@Guanxii-- I like your dialogue options.
@FireEye--you're right, it should make a difference as to whether Kaidan was renegaded or Ashley was Paragoned. I don't know how though.
I agree that the DLC should pertain to the overall story, and bridge some Alliance/Cerberus issues for ME3. And a nice new casual or combat suit to go with the pack, for an after-dinner talk after defeating some enemies. They at least need to chat about Horizon, address Shepard's "betrayal" and aspects of Ashley or Kaidan's grief.
I think a complete resolution of the friendship and/or romance should be saved for something epic in ME3, since it is bridging content; however, who says we can't get a partial resolution through DLC?
@BioWare-- do you like our ideas thus far???
We'd love some Ashley and Kaidan DLC! 
The title of this topic was changed; reading some of the comments here, and agreeing that "Virmire Survivor," can apply to both Kaidan and Ashley, but it implies that one is a placeholder over the other, which might reduce the quality of potential DLC content.
@Guanxii-- I like your dialogue options.
@FireEye--you're right, it should make a difference as to whether Kaidan was renegaded or Ashley was Paragoned. I don't know how though.
I agree that the DLC should pertain to the overall story, and bridge some Alliance/Cerberus issues for ME3. And a nice new casual or combat suit to go with the pack, for an after-dinner talk after defeating some enemies. They at least need to chat about Horizon, address Shepard's "betrayal" and aspects of Ashley or Kaidan's grief.
I think a complete resolution of the friendship and/or romance should be saved for something epic in ME3, since it is bridging content; however, who says we can't get a partial resolution through DLC?
@BioWare-- do you like our ideas thus far???
We'd love some Ashley and Kaidan DLC!
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 02:43
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I think we've got some good ideas here. Though I do wonder if something is already in the works because the LotSB is quite a surprisingly early announcement seeing that the game came out 6 months or so ago.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 02:50
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Brodyaha wrote...
I think a complete resolution of the friendship and/or romance should be saved for something epic in ME3, since it is bridging content; however, who says we can't get a partial resolution through DLC?
I agree with this. They have to save something for ME3. The upcoming LotSB will give some hints on what to expect as far as relationship resolution for the ME1 LIs in general.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 02:57
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fortunesque wrote...
I think we've got some good ideas here. Though I do wonder if something is already in the works because the LotSB is quite a surprisingly early announcement seeing that the game came out 6 months or so ago.
This is true.
And I must say, considering BW's track record, this is about a DLC every 2 months. Very cool. So if it is, yay, and if it is not, then I am glad so many people like this idea and I hope it is listened to.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 03:35
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I support this!
Unique lines for each and the chance to continue the relationship too please.
Unique lines for each and the chance to continue the relationship too please.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 03:44
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Sounds good, ash was a great character, she was my sheps LI.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 04:43
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I fully support this. Ashley needs some love too.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 04:47
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I support this too. I missed Kaidan in ME2.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 05:01
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It'd be a good idea, but I wouldn't want a Horizon situation where they're basically the same character You'd have to have two separate versions for each one, depending on who's alive, but then they'd have to spend money creating content only half of players who download the DLC, which is already a significantly smaller number than people who own the game, will ever see.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 05:10
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Renegade Kaidan is only possible with FemaleShep, it's tied to the romance; MaleShep only gets about 1/2 way. However, if a MaleShep had NO romance in ME1 (ie tried to romance Kaidan) and did not cheat in ME2; that could be worked in too. (Substitute FemShep/Ashley)FireEye wrote...
xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...
Something like this would be the way to go IMO. As long as there is an option to renegade them and bring them on board with you. (I don't intend to go back to the alliance unless I'm forced... Which I'm sure I will be. =/)
I think renegading them for people who play that slant would be good. Also, remembering whether you renegaded Kaidan or paragoned Ashley in ME1 would be nice, too.
ps. I'm starting a new (sigh...) from the beginning of ME1 just to romance Liara (done it before, but I forgot which save) to have in import into ME2/ME3, just to see how things play out.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 05:10
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JakePT wrote...
It'd be a good idea, but I wouldn't want a Horizon situation where they're basically the same character You'd have to have two separate versions for each one, depending on who's alive, but then they'd have to spend money creating content only half of players who download the DLC, which is already a significantly smaller number than people who own the game, will ever see.
It wouldn't be content for only half. Most players have more than one character and a lot of them choose differently on subsequent playthroughs. I have always saved Kaidan but I have several non-imported ME2 maleSheps that get Ashley as default. It would be great to have unique DLC content that pertained to both.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 05:13
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As long as the DLC actually gives them some individuality and doesn't just make them cheap substitutes for each other, ala vanilla ME2, then I welcome any Kaidan/Ashley DLC with open arms.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 05:23
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JakePT wrote...
It'd be a good idea, but I wouldn't want a Horizon situation where they're basically the same character You'd have to have two separate versions for each one, depending on who's alive, but then they'd have to spend money creating content only half of players who download the DLC, which is already a significantly smaller number than people who own the game, will ever see.
this is a very good point - ever since virmire, the survivor is essentially double the cost for 1 character. still, in the interest of carrying out the story to a satisfying conclusion, it would be nice to see something done. DLC would be especially welcome.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 05:46
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Meeting Ashley's sisters and Kaidan's... uh... dad? Parents? Agriculturist cousin? would be nice, too.
I thought maybe if they were LI's, you could visit Shepard's monument on [background planet of choice], but then really you should be able to visit the monument somehow if they weren't, so it's probably too narrow, that one.
I thought maybe if they were LI's, you could visit Shepard's monument on [background planet of choice], but then really you should be able to visit the monument somehow if they weren't, so it's probably too narrow, that one.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 05:46
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sagequeen wrote...
JakePT wrote...
It'd be a good idea, but I wouldn't want a Horizon situation where they're basically the same character You'd have to have two separate versions for each one, depending on who's alive, but then they'd have to spend money creating content only half of players who download the DLC, which is already a significantly smaller number than people who own the game, will ever see.
this is a very good point - ever since virmire, the survivor is essentially double the cost for 1 character. still, in the interest of carrying out the story to a satisfying conclusion, it would be nice to see something done. DLC would be especially welcome.
Perhaps Ashley/Kaidan is double the cost of one character...or, just consider them separate characters on their own. Think of how much it must've cost to make Overload, Kasumi, and Zaeed, and some of us will never download/have access to that character interaction. BioWare still needs to make their roles for ME2 and ME3, despite the possibility of their loss in ME1. All that extra dialogue for characters that won't be played by everybody.
I have an MShep Vanguard. And a MShep, ME1 Infiltrator. And two imported FemSheps. I want to see how his experience with Ashley is different, if I'm only friends with them, or if I romance them.
I say this (mentioned earlier by somebody else, but it's a great idea): keep the core mission the same. same area, same objectives. Have different character development. Save money for modding and voice work.
Example of some DLC: Mission is in a specific area. Meet Ashley/Kaidan there. Decide to work together. Alliance/Cerberus dynamics ensue. The A/C dialogue could remain the same, as could the mission area, mission objecitves, enemies to kill, but different voice work for Kaidan/Ashley. I wouldn't mind the same armor for each (as long as it's not Phoenix X/ ), if it saves money. More resources for voice-work and cinematics.
If BioWare goes through the trouble to hire them as voice actors, a couple changes in the dialogue to fit their characters shouldn't take too much extra work (especially at the beginning of the mission); dialogue could be fairly neutral, just different combat banter. Ashley's banter is more sarcastic, Kaidan's is more dry.
After the mission is over, meet Alliance/Cerberus, fix the diplomatic sh**storm--that could be the same dialogue regardless of character or relationship. Afterwards: have dinner with Ashley or Kaidan. Huge interactive cutscene. Both characters could go to the same restaurant, same area of the Citadel/Omega. Here's where the different character and dialogue could really shine through, and differentiate depending if they're a romance or a friend.
Assume there's some new combat armor, weapons, and a casual outfit. That could remain the same.
I'm in no way saying that DLC should be any less quality than what Liara fans are getting, or what's offered in the Overload/Kasumi packs, etc. But if a DLC pack is going to be made, and it needs to stay affordable for fans (assuming it will be the sameprice as Liara's DLC), I'm assuing both characters would be on the same DLC. And if Kaidan/Ashley is twice the price of other characters, that compounds the difficulty because we want them treated as the separate characters they are.
I would rather time and resources were spent on character development, than making different environments for their different characters.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 06:24
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Here is how I think such a situation SHOULD be handled for those who cheated but are looking to salvage their ME1 relationship:
-There can be a moment where Ash/Kaidan discuss the time apart, hurt feelings, and Ash/Kaidan could say something like "I wouldn't be surprised if there was someone else in your life now given everything that's happened," and based on what happened as far as romance goes, Shepard's responses can go one of a few ways:
-If Shepard remained faithful, there can be a neutral or paragon response saying that they remained faithful
-If Shepard cheated and the player wants to be honest about it, the player picks a paragon response, being honest about the new relationship. If Shepard mentions he/she wants to salvage what they had, Ash/Kaidan, hurt but maintaining professionalism, will say they need more time apart to think about things and what Shepard really wants, which can be bonus conversation for ME3 (since I believe THAT'S when the final LI between ME1/ME2 is decided
--If Shepard was honest about new relationship, he/she can choose to break things off officially if the player so desired.
-If Shepard cheated, and the player doesn't want a conflict then and to salvage things in a secretive way, then a Renegade check can be used where Shepard lies about remaining faithful. This would save any and all conflict until ME3, though as a penalty the LI dilemma in ME3 will be that much worse for it. Also, lying to Ash/Kaidan about remaining faithful when Shepard wasn't will result in a big amount of Renegade points..
Read this post again, and wanted to QFT. Hope I'm not posting too much, but this is an awesome idea that could turn into one deliciously long, interactive cut-scene of character development, while still keeping more development open for ME3.
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Posté 25 août 2010 - 06:40
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okay, just started reading this thread but i do havea few ideas. no idea if theyve been brought up already, but ill throw these on the hot plate and see what everyone thinks......
in the Horizon mission, depending on who you take with you (ie, GARRUS) kaidan realises hes there and brings him into the conversation, yet he is still blissfully unaware of the fact that Chakwas and Joker are also part of the team, how about starting it off with a tour or a cutscene of the original crew mates all coming together to prove to Kaidan/Ash that they are NOT traitors, they are actually doing the right thing cos no one else will......
i know its only one idea so far, but more will be thought up as i go...... lol
in the Horizon mission, depending on who you take with you (ie, GARRUS) kaidan realises hes there and brings him into the conversation, yet he is still blissfully unaware of the fact that Chakwas and Joker are also part of the team, how about starting it off with a tour or a cutscene of the original crew mates all coming together to prove to Kaidan/Ash that they are NOT traitors, they are actually doing the right thing cos no one else will......
i know its only one idea so far, but more will be thought up as i go...... lol
