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I would love to finally be able to romance Kaiden with my Man shep, maybe that could be a feature of the DLC? I'd pay top dollar for that!



Plus my Fem Shep would love to try and mend things with Kaiden.

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okay, just started reading this thread but i do havea few ideas. no idea if theyve been brought up already, but ill throw these on the hot plate and see what everyone thinks......

in the Horizon mission, depending on who you take with you (ie, GARRUS) kaidan realises hes there and brings him into the conversation, yet he is still blissfully unaware of the fact that Chakwas and Joker are also part of the team, how about starting it off with a tour or a cutscene of the original crew mates all coming together to prove to Kaidan/Ash that they are NOT traitors, they are actually doing the right thing cos no one else will......

i know its only one idea so far, but more will be thought up as i go...... lol



I actually like this idea, Joker was clearly good friends with both Kaidan and Ashley, there aint much you hear of Chakwas in ME1, but she clearly cares about the SR1 crew, and made good friends with them, so there is a chance to expand on that also.

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I wish:



1) For Phoenix armor to not make an appearance, or at least be optional after the first ~10 seconds or so.



2) Instead of a character-driven 'pandering to the fanbase' DLC (that a lot of people seem to be hoping for), I'd prefer them to be a part of a citadel/alliance motivated larger story-driven expansion.

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I'd definitely support this. The thing that disappointed me about the Overlord expansion is that it seemed very tangential to the main story.... I'm looking forward to the Shadowbroker expansion not just because we get more Liara, but because I'm interested in finding out who the Shadowbroker is.



ME2 has raised all sorts of questions about Cerberus' links with the Alliance and their reasons for going rogue. The Kasumi DLC also made some hints about damaging intel about the Alliance. A DLC that addressed some of these issues would be awesome.

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sagequeen wrote...

  • Please NO rescuing of Kaidan/Ashley. they have already been "rescued" by Shep 4 times for kaidan, 5 for ashley (Eden prime from geth (Ash only), eden prime beacon, virmire, opening on normandy (Sent away), and horizon)
These people were your squad from the start! I feel these characters deserve better. Thanks.


The rescuing thing is a good point. At first I thought it would be a good way to have any VS DLC work as both a stand-alone mission and a way into repairing friendships, but actually something that reflects that the VS has grown and become more of a leader themselves in the Alliance would be excellent. It would show that, while they might still view Shep as higher ranking than them, as their leader because of all they went through etc., now they are more like equals. I think this would be a really good development of their characters.

And yes, they deserve better than they got in ME2. I remain hopeful our fears will be addressed in ME3 (and, in fact, it's more likely they will be saved for ME3 completely rather than feature in any DLC), but I recognise people's wariness after the figurative shafting fans were given in ME2.

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Trixtan wrote...

I would love to finally be able to romance Kaiden with my Man shep, maybe that could be a feature of the DLC? I'd pay top dollar for that!

Plus my Fem Shep would love to try and mend things with Kaiden.


Oh, and this also. Having the option to 'trigger' a s/s romance with Kaidan or Ashley in ME2-3 bridging DLC would be a great way to gauge how to approach it in ME3, and also a neat way of getting around any perceived 'weirdness' of them being s/s romancable in ME3.

(And it would certainly go a heck of a long way to appeasing those who've been alienated over that issue already.)

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I agree wholeheartedly with everybody who said they would want Ashley and Kaidan to have their own defined personalities and not be just carbon copies of each other which amounts to giving each character unique pieces of dialogue at various stages (at least the odd bit of interjection if only to add a little weight to our Virmire choices).

Perhaps what I'm about to suggest in expansion of this idea would be asking a bit much but... through the course of ME1 if you pursued a romantic relationship with either Ashley or Kaidan *providing your charm or intimidate skills were high enough you could fundamentally re-shape their personalities to take your world view (e.g. renegade femsheps could win Kaidan over to the darkside, paragon malesheps could turn Ashley paragon, etc) and I would be very impressed to see even a small hint of this.

Now I know what you're thinking... there was no such flag... therefore it's impossible! No, to the naysayers I say. Not if the game reads your renegade/paragon import bonus and relationship status. Problem solved.

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 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......

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Jenova65 wrote...

 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......


Great point. Me too.

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catabuca wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......


Great point. Me too.

Thank you :) 
I also fear that to have romantic DLC might ruin the suspense of the bigger story arc, iyswim?
Kind of - if Shepard's romance is resolved before ME3 then there is not build up, no tension, therefore no story. I am not saying that we should wait til the 'night before', the end, which is the pattern, but there should be some tension, suspicion, some rebuilding and Shepard (imo) has a lot to answer for for the way things went on Horizon - Why didn't my Shep run into Kaidan's arms and show some gut reaction to seeing him? Why didn't Kaidan call her out on that (although he shows way more passion ''I loved you'', etc. than she does)
Not to mention reconciling Ashley and Kaidan's loyalty to the Alliance with the fact that Shep is with Cerberus <_<

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Jenova65 wrote...

 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......

As long as "epic and romantic reason" doesn't translate to the writers as "epic, tragic and romantic"
I really don't want to have gone through years and years of hoping for something good to come from our faithful Shepard's love of their VS only to end in Kaidan/Ashely making themselves the sacrificial lamb at the end of the story (or anywhere in the story).

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Jade5233 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......

As long as "epic and romantic reason" doesn't translate to the writers as "epic, tragic and romantic"
I really don't want to have gone through years and years of hoping for something good to come from our faithful Shepard's love of their VS only to end in Kaidan/Ashely making themselves the sacrificial lamb at the end of the story (or anywhere in the story).

No, I quite agree, it would suck big time! 
They could give us some bridge building DLC that culminated in a gentle kiss, a sort of impulse on the part of VS and maybe a line about feelings not going away, but having trouble dealing with it and not sure that it is wise.... This *could* segue nicely into a few conversations that are tense and maybe difficult, Shep feeling hurt and Ashley or Kaidan realising how much Shep means and aggressively pursuing a reconciliation - Kaidan could say ''Damn it, Shepard, I once told you that you were hard to step away from (*swoon* btw) but it seems you are impossible to step away from, you are in my thoughts constantly, it is distracting me and that is dangerous, give me something, anything to let me know I have reason to hope.......'', as he moves real close to her, holding her gaze intently!
Whoa, sorry, got a bit carried away the moment there............. lol :wub:

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Maybe this will come of the fabled "Romance Pack" that BioWare was talking of earlier in the year? Hmm...

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Jenova65 wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......

As long as "epic and romantic reason" doesn't translate to the writers as "epic, tragic and romantic"
I really don't want to have gone through years and years of hoping for something good to come from our faithful Shepard's love of their VS only to end in Kaidan/Ashely making themselves the sacrificial lamb at the end of the story (or anywhere in the story).

No, I quite agree, it would suck big time! 
They could give us some bridge building DLC that culminated in a gentle kiss, a sort of impulse on the part of VS and maybe a line about feelings not going away, but having trouble dealing with it and not sure that it is wise.... This *could* segue nicely into a few conversations that are tense and maybe difficult, Shep feeling hurt and Ashley or Kaidan realising how much Shep means and aggressively pursuing a reconciliation - Kaidan could say ''Damn it, Shepard, I once told you that you were hard to step away from (*swoon* btw) but it seems you are impossible to step away from, you are in my thoughts constantly, it is distracting me and that is dangerous, give me something, anything to let me know I have reason to hope.......'', as he moves real close to her, holding her gaze intently!
Whoa, sorry, got a bit carried away the moment there............. lol :wub:


I just got a shiver reading that <3 =]

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I fully endorse this, let's try it at once! I'd come up with some new ideas, but it seems anything I might have said has already been covered:

Jenova65 wrote...

 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and
Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......


Agreed. All I really want at this point is a bit of closure and a reassuring pat on the head with the promise that epicness is on its way, even if it's not until ME3.

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As long as "epic and romantic reason" doesn't translate to the writers as "epic, tragic and romantic"
I really don't want to have gone through years and years of hoping for something good to come from our faithful Shepard's love of their VS only to end in Kaidan/Ashely making themselves the sacrificial lamb at the end of the story (or anywhere in the story).


Read my mind here as well. While an epic and heroic sacrafice makes for great drama and story telling, after spending 80+ in-game hours and countless weeks in real life (lurking in the KAST :whistle:) growing attached to my VS, a tragic death would be too akin to getting punched in the gut. :?

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Jenova65 wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......

As long as "epic and romantic reason" doesn't translate to the writers as "epic, tragic and romantic"
I really don't want to have gone through years and years of hoping for something good to come from our faithful Shepard's love of their VS only to end in Kaidan/Ashely making themselves the sacrificial lamb at the end of the story (or anywhere in the story).

No, I quite agree, it would suck big time! 
They could give us some bridge building DLC that culminated in a gentle kiss, a sort of impulse on the part of VS and maybe a line about feelings not going away, but having trouble dealing with it and not sure that it is wise.... This *could* segue nicely into a few conversations that are tense and maybe difficult, Shep feeling hurt and Ashley or Kaidan realising how much Shep means and aggressively pursuing a reconciliation - Kaidan could say ''Damn it, Shepard, I once told you that you were hard to step away from (*swoon* btw) but it seems you are impossible to step away from, you are in my thoughts constantly, it is distracting me and that is dangerous, give me something, anything to let me know I have reason to hope.......'', as he moves real close to her, holding her gaze intently!
Whoa, sorry, got a bit carried away the moment there............. lol :wub:


Jen...that was well said...*swoons*...:wub:

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sir-edmund wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...
As long as "epic and romantic reason" doesn't translate to the writers as "epic, tragic and romantic"
I really don't want to have gone through years and years of hoping for something good to come from our faithful Shepard's love of their VS only to end in Kaidan/Ashely making themselves the sacrificial lamb at the end of the story (or anywhere in the story).


Read my mind here as well. While an epic and heroic sacrafice makes for great drama and story telling, after spending 80+ in-game hours and countless weeks in real life (lurking in the KAST :whistle:) growing attached to my VS, a tragic death would be too akin to getting punched in the gut. :?

Exactly!  Image IPB

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catabuca wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......

As long as "epic and romantic reason" doesn't translate to the writers as "epic, tragic and romantic"
I really don't want to have gone through years and years of hoping for something good to come from our faithful Shepard's love of their VS only to end in Kaidan/Ashely making themselves the sacrificial lamb at the end of the story (or anywhere in the story).

No, I quite agree, it would suck big time! 
They could give us some bridge building DLC that culminated in a gentle kiss, a sort of impulse on the part of VS and maybe a line about feelings not going away, but having trouble dealing with it and not sure that it is wise.... This *could* segue nicely into a few conversations that are tense and maybe difficult, Shep feeling hurt and Ashley or Kaidan realising how much Shep means and aggressively pursuing a reconciliation - Kaidan could say ''Damn it, Shepard, I once told you that you were hard to step away from (*swoon* btw) but it seems you are impossible to step away from, you are in my thoughts constantly, it is distracting me and that is dangerous, give me something, anything to let me know I have reason to hope.......'', as he moves real close to her, holding her gaze intently!
Whoa, sorry, got a bit carried away the moment there............. lol :wub:


I just got a shiver reading that <3 =]

Lol, thanks.............. :D 

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Aslanasadi wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

 As much as I would love more Kaidan at this point I would even take just a reassurance from BioWare that we (the Shepards who romanced the VS) aren't being left by the wayside now that they (BioWare) are friends with the 'cool kids', (the ME2 squad/LI's) I need DLC far less than I need to know that we are still important and that Ashley and Kaidan have been saved for some epic (and extremely romantic) reason :wub:
That would satisfy me and I would happily wait til ME3 if I had that kind of assurance......

As long as "epic and romantic reason" doesn't translate to the writers as "epic, tragic and romantic"
I really don't want to have gone through years and years of hoping for something good to come from our faithful Shepard's love of their VS only to end in Kaidan/Ashely making themselves the sacrificial lamb at the end of the story (or anywhere in the story).

No, I quite agree, it would suck big time! 
They could give us some bridge building DLC that culminated in a gentle kiss, a sort of impulse on the part of VS and maybe a line about feelings not going away, but having trouble dealing with it and not sure that it is wise.... This *could* segue nicely into a few conversations that are tense and maybe difficult, Shep feeling hurt and Ashley or Kaidan realising how much Shep means and aggressively pursuing a reconciliation - Kaidan could say ''Damn it, Shepard, I once told you that you were hard to step away from (*swoon* btw) but it seems you are impossible to step away from, you are in my thoughts constantly, it is distracting me and that is dangerous, give me something, anything to let me know I have reason to hope.......'', as he moves real close to her, holding her gaze intently!
Whoa, sorry, got a bit carried away the moment there............. lol :wub:


Jen...that was well said...*swoons*...:wub:

I know, I had to have little lie down myself there............... ;)

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PARAGON87 wrote...

Maybe this will come of the fabled "Romance Pack" that BioWare was talking of earlier in the year? Hmm...


I believe this would be better suited for ME3, although it sounds cool.  But it would be problematic if, at this point, the only DLC available for Ashley or Kaidan was filled with romance...especially if they weren't romanced.  Furthermore, the romance was so damaged from Shepard being dead and showing up after two years working with Cerberus....

Ashley and Kaidan still work with the Alliance, Shepard with Cerberus.  Two close friends/lovers  separated from a team because the Alliance and Cerberus are acting childish and refuse to talk to each other, with the Alliance going "la la la la la," regarding the Reaper threat.  And two friends/lovers need to talk about it too, because that's the biggest reason Kaidan/Ashley wouldn't join you on Horizon.

Ashley and Kaidan were important enough to be saved from the suicide mission.  Let's have potential DLC reflect that and include another important ME subplot.

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considering how things transpired on horizon, there's no way to tie up that debacle in a nice bow during the course of a dlc. nor would i want the developers to. hence, i'm not down with a romance pack. i have single sheps that are friends only with the crew. i'd prefer a story driven expansion focusing on ash and kaidan's character development. there are a lot of unanswered questions regarding the alliance's connection to cerberus. although, tossing in a way to repair the relationship with shep's former squadmates would be very much welcome whether he/she took the friendship or romance path.

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I don't want the DLC's content to be primarily about the romance for that very reason--not everyone romanced the character.

The dlc needs to be pertenant to the story as a whole--like making steps toward whatever allignment (Alliance vs. Cerberus vs. Indy) you want to be in ME3. Kaidan or Ashley would be a conduit through which that alignment would be made. If you did romance that character, there would be additional content regarding a continuation of that relationship--not a full recovery of the relationship, but working toward it. At least a kiss and cuddling would be nice :)



There should be friendship dialogue--lots of it that can have some smal romance nuance changes like in ME1. That way all Shepards can interact with the character.



I think once we see what Liara gets, we'll have a better idea of what to expect, though

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First of all, screw the announcements! If Bioware have anything of the sort planned, I want to hear *something*, not wait in limbo for however long they feel like until giving us an announcement of the upcoming announcement (*cough* Liara DLC *cough cough*). Bioware is wayyy too enamored with announcing things. At this point I'd settle for a reassurance that Ash and Kaidan aren't taking second-seat to a tangential storyline I was never interested in. (No slight intended to Liara or her fans, but that's just how I stand.)



So screw the announcement. Give us a yes or no, and then maybe I'll play LotSB.



As far as any actual DLC goes, I pretty much agree with everything said here, with one significant exception.

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Is it too early to request that perhaps this thread gets sticked alongside the other wishlists?  There's a lot of good ideas here for people to agree/disagree/discuss.

Modifié par Brodyaha, 25 août 2010 - 06:55 .


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Brodyaha wrote...

Is it too early to request that perhaps this thread gets sticked alongside the other wishlists?  There's a lot of good ideas here for people to agree/disagree/discuss.


I vote yes to "sticky" this thread.  (that almost sounds obscene). :)