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[Nhani]

sagequeen wrote...

Saibh wrote...
When I picked the Renegade option to Liara's "How are you really feeling", I went slackjawed and then cheered aloud. 

Me too. I felt like LotSB was worth the price of admission for that alone. Well, that and the car chase. And seeing the SB...okay, but that line made me cheer. I was SO happy I'd picked that line (my Shep is MAD at this point) and I loved the emotion to it. In ME1 you had many things Shep could say about his/her feelings, past, etc. If you want to be a "stoic tough badass"  (bor-ing!) you can. but i liked being able to have shep be human finally.

I picked the top one; I have to try this when I get back to that point. Buut.. there was something I was getting to.

I realize I'm a little late to the party, but I singled this part out because it illustrates something I'd like to mention along with my support of this thread (may its page count be long and its content worthwhile, etcetera) - in Liara's above "how are you really feeling?" dialogue, BioWare added one of the things to Mass Effect 2 that I really felt it lacked in comparison to its predecessor; notably, one that there was largely played by either Liara or the Virmire Survivor, depending on your preferences. Your Shepard had a shoulder to lean on, there, if needed - prior to Liara in Lair of the Shadow Broker, Mass Effect 2 didn't really deliver on that. Sure, it has a few cases where it's offered, but nowhere that you could really take up on that.

I know I'm getting sidetracked, but bear with me here, because my standing point is.. for my Shepard, Kaidan was that shoulder, and I'm sure that for plenty of other Shepards, Ash played a much similar role. I realize this isn't true for everyone, but I'd love to see something play off on that, because for my Shepard that was such a big deal (and, essentially, what made Horizon all the more of a slap to the face with a cold shower faucet).

Beyond that, I approve of this thread and would love to see a DLC that takes the standing Virmire Survivor and treats with the same care, depth and reverence as Liara was in Lair of the Shadow Broker.

[Phobius9]

Saibh wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

This.^ A thousand times, THIS.

That's what it was about ME2 - there was so much potential for strong emotional weight, but it rarely followed through.

Shepard frickin' DIED. I hyperventilate a little every time I see the intro movie. It's powerful, powerful stuff. There was so much that could be done with that and it just...wasn't. Saving Garrus - emotional. Helping Tali - emotional. Heck, I'm not asking for major drama always or crying my eyes out through the whole game, but seriously, you set up something like a death and you expect to see emotional payoff. The fact that Shepard goes through the rest of the game like a robot made a part of my RPer's soul shrivel up and die.

Oh, that always bothers me. People seem to...underestimate the weight of, yanno, dying (I love Thane, but I roll my eyes every time he says "I was dead for ten years, I know the feeling"; no, Thane, not metaphorically, I suffocated to freaking death in space). I think Jacob's romance references something about this briefly, but it didn't feel like enough.

When I picked the Renegade option to Liara's "How are you really feeling", I went slackjawed and then cheered aloud. Vasir referencing a Sole Survivor Shepard was absolutely an amazing feeling--I was so offended that you can't say anything in vanilla. It was so disconcerting to see all of these references to the experiments they did but not a single thing about the experiment they did on you.

Also, I always had difficulties getting attached to my crew. In their own loyalty mission (not so much recruitment mission), you see into their character, and I liked them then. Outside of that, it was just a Q&A about their species or past experiences. It's like Tali and Garrus had so little dialogue because you'd already asked them all about their species and views in ME1, and Shepard just couldn't think of anything else to talk about.

The Dossiers in the Lair made me care about them in a way I never did before. I saw them as people, not tools. I absolutely adore that Grunt likes Hemingway and orders action figures. There was little insight into Miranda's character outside of cold, hard b*tch with sympathetic self-esteem issues--reading about her dating attempts, her infertility, her connection to Oriana was moving.

I've said it before, and ME1 was like a novel, ME2 like a short story collection. I understand that ME1 had i's flaws, but it also built emotional weight over the course of the story so things like Virmire mattered to the players. ME2 was good, but overall it sometimes failed to build up that sense that it all mattered. LotSB really did make it all matter again - you have to have this info to fight the Reapers - you need a friend on your side. Liara is back and she's cool and she's concerned about Shepard and Shepard speaks his/her mind about the situation. It really did bring back so much of the things I'd loved about ME1. It was a very good kind of closer/epilogue story for the ME2 saga and we just need one more loose end tied up before heading out for the Reapers...

All that really makes me hope if there is a VS DLC in the works, they make it EPIC. I don't mind waiting.

I agree for a second count, as well. I have little else to add, you put it very well; except, for ME3, I'd like to see everyone connect. All of your squadmates live on their own portions of the ship. Kasumi helps make them seem together, but mostly they're completely secluded from each other. I would have loved to walk past the mess hall to see Thane taking lunch with some of the crew, or listening to Zaeed corner a crewmate (totally Kelly) and ramble on and on, or for Kasumi and Tali to gossip like I know they would.

ME3 doesn't need to worry about continuity from the first games like the other two did. Hopefully, this will allow for detail and characterization to shine through.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter too. LotSB was pretty much the only time Shepard actually showed any humanity. I loved the bit at the end after Liara leaves and you're left all alone in your room saying "come back soon...". It really made Shepard seem vunerable and therefore easier to relate to. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that any further LI DLC brings more of this to the table, and that the trend is continued in ME3.

I second the idea of crew members mingleing to. It'd be nice to see them not confined to just one area, doing bloody calibrations all the time...

[Chignon]

Phobius9 wrote...

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter too. LotSB was pretty much the only time Shepard actually showed any humanity. I loved the bit at the end after Liara leaves and you're left all alone in your room saying "come back soon...". It really made Shepard seem vunerable and therefore easier to relate to. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that any further LI DLC brings more of this to the table, and that the trend is continued in ME3

I hope Bioware continues in this direction with a Kaidan&Ash DLC.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Should Shepard recieve some harsh words from Ashley or Kaidan if he decided to preserve the Collector base and give it to TIM?

[Chignon]

If you saved the base and it is addressed in the DLC then I'd want Kaidan and Ashley being able to speak their mind about it, but I also want Shepard being able to explain his/her reasoning behind the decision.

Modifié par Chignon, 01 octobre 2010 - 03:33 .

[TheGreenLion]

Since I have little patience for reading 51 pages of posts, I like the idea of possibly handing over the Collector Base to the Alliance via coord's. But, TIM already knows where it is...who's to say he won't find a way to get there himself? Both factions are well funded and I would not trust either of them to handle the HReaper remains, for all we know they'd both try to make their own reapers and after a few days of activation or so become ensorcelled by the ships themselves. Silly humans. Still an interesting option but perhaps with heavy consequences.



I would like to see at least a little more progression than what happened on Horizon, but perhaps not fully conclude all of it in a DLC, I'd rather save the tasty parts for ME3. I also liked the idea about Kaiden/Ashley perhaps saving YOUR butt for a change. Don't know if most of you played Dragon Age but if it went something like the Denerim prison break (at least two current squadmates + Ashley/Kaiden) That would be awesome...that moment was just too hilarious!



Since I generally saved Ashley, we must also have more of that silly poetry. Perhaps you go out for dinner (hooray for the tin foil skirt!) and talk at more length about everything that transpired between the time you died (mostly Ash's input there) to when you were recombobulated and compelled to work with Cerberus. And of course, the chance to apologize for dying and soon after working for the people who ressurrected you. There must also be kissy faces and the demolition of Shep's quarters....oh yes.

[Chignon]

TheGreenLion wrote...

I would like to see at least a little more progression than what happened on Horizon, but perhaps not fully conclude all of it in a DLC, I'd rather save the tasty parts for ME3. I also liked the idea about Kaiden/Ashley perhaps saving YOUR butt for a change. Don't know if most of you played Dragon Age but if it went something like the Denerim prison break (at least two current squadmates + Ashley/Kaiden) That would be awesome...that moment was just too hilarious!

*snip*

And of course, the chance to apologize for dying and soon after working for the people who ressurrected you. There must also be kissy faces and the demolition of Shep's quarters....oh yes.

Oh yes, that's something I'd love to see! I really liked the how it was handled in DA.

Kissy faces.

[Raanz]

Any dlc made for the VS will be optional I am sure...much like LotSB was. So in that sense, it has to be able to fit in anywhere I assume. I would also like post-campaign exclusivity, but I doubt that's what it will be.

Some earlier poster mentioned the empty picture frame: this is another small "sign" to me that VS dlc has always been planned. They added the sphere for Overlord, the helmet for the Normandy Crash Site, the dog tags for LotSB, so I see something special for the next dlc as well. To me, the idea of VS dlc is not a question of if, but of when.

[Reverie]

I doubt there is any VS DLC in the works. Although I will be highly pleased and surprised if there is.

[Chignon]

Raanz wrote...

Any dlc made for the VS will be optional I am sure...much like LotSB was. So in that sense, it has to be able to fit in anywhere I assume. I would also like post-campaign exclusivity, but I doubt that's what it will be.
Some earlier poster mentioned the empty picture frame: this is another small "sign" to me that VS dlc has always been planned. They added the sphere for Overlord, the helmet for the Normandy Crash Site, the dog tags for LotSB, so I see something special for the next dlc as well. To me, the idea of VS dlc is not a question of if, but of when.

I try not to get my hopes up, but I do hope you're right. 
 

[Funkcase]

Chignon wrote...

Raanz wrote...

Any dlc made for the VS will be optional I am sure...much like LotSB was. So in that sense, it has to be able to fit in anywhere I assume. I would also like post-campaign exclusivity, but I doubt that's what it will be.
Some earlier poster mentioned the empty picture frame: this is another small "sign" to me that VS dlc has always been planned. They added the sphere for Overlord, the helmet for the Normandy Crash Site, the dog tags for LotSB, so I see something special for the next dlc as well. To me, the idea of VS dlc is not a question of if, but of when.

I try not to get my hopes up, but I do hope you're right. 
 

I think we are all getting ower hopes up, but with good reason, LotSB for one, this thread is over 50 pages with great ideas for a Ash/Kaidan dlc, and the fact it hasn't been locked, and Bioware appear to be looking at this thread due to a mod posting, that gives me very higher hopes

[Reverie]

But it shouldn't. Wasn't LOTSB planned from the start? Wasn't it just cut content from the game? Something for the VS would have to be done from the ground up, and they probably aren't willing to do that.

[Chignon]

And why not? Just because there was no unused audio found in the original ME files?

Bioware might work on something. They did say after all that there would be DLCs that bridge the gap storywise from ME2 to ME3. Since ME3 won't be released any time soon (there hasn't even been an announcement yet), we'll hopefully get a few more DLCs before it comes out. They also said that all LIs are and will be treated with equal care.

So, maybe we'll get the same treatment Liara fans got: an excellent DLC, a chance to reconcile with your ME1 LI and something that'll most likely play a role in ME3.

Modifié par Chignon, 01 octobre 2010 - 11:58 .

[Saibh]

Chignon wrote...

And why not?

Bioware said that there would be DLCs that bridge the gap storywise from ME2 to ME3.
Since ME3 won't be released any time soon (there hasn't even been an announcement yet), we'll hopefully get a few more DLCs before it comes out.

Maybe we'll get the same treatment Liara fans got: an excellent DLC, a chance to reconcile with your ME1 LI and something that'll most likely play a role in ME3.

Of course I support this DLC, but you also have to take into account it's clear that Liara will not return as a squadmate in ME3. She's the Shadow Broker now, and will probably help you out that way. The VS is eligible, however. I believe there's a quote from Casey Hudson about them needing to be available for ME3.

[Chignon]

Saibh wrote...

Of course I support this DLC, but you also have to take into account it's clear that Liara will not return as a squadmate in ME3. She's the Shadow Broker now, and will probably help you out that way. The VS is eligible, however. I believe there's a quote from Casey Hudson about them needing to be available for ME3.

Concerning the return of Liara in ME3: there's been some speculation about that in her support threat; there are pros and cons for both scenarios.

I don't see the problem a DLC would pose for whether Kaidan and Ashley will join you in ME3 - at least, if there's no option to outright kill them. Something that most of us, if not all, don't want to see.

Many people on this thread wished for it to be about cutting ties with Cerberus and proving their loyalty to the Alliance (or not) and this what the DLC should focus on. Kaidan and Ash could help you with whatever mission deals with that and that's it. No dying, no being unavailable for an "epic, integral role" in ME3.

Brodyaha wrote...

 BioWare has openly stated that they want to make bridging DLC.  Makes sense to develop what people want.
Kaid and Ash DLC would be perfect.  Especially if BioWare looks at this thread.  We have given them a short, summarized, general list of the essentials of what we want to see, with over 50 pages of more developed ideas and consensus.  We've had only a couple of trolls, and very little (if any) spam.  The support group has been around almost a month and it's almost at 400 members.  

If they're interested in making DLC that sells money, then this is the DLC.  It's definitely less of a risk than making something new such as Overlord and Kasumi, and although those were definitely great, there was no guarantee that people would think it was awesome.  Support and requests for VS DLC increased after LotSB.  The only way I would see this type of DLC not happening is if their role was truely something epic for ME3, in which case, I will understandably (if unpatiently) wait.  But I'm sure BioWare would be able to pace their story.  Look at LotSB; it set up an epic precedent for Liara, and the continuation of the relationship/friendship.  Why couldn't BioWare do something like that?  Furthermore, there is still the possibility for them to be squadmates in ME3.  Liara, not so much I think, but we don't know until we see the game.

In short: fans and supporters are already anticipating this kind of DLC.  We consumers have the money waiting, and we've told the producers we will buy it if made.  All BioWare has to do is develop what we want.

QFT

Modifié par Chignon, 02 octobre 2010 - 12:18 .

[Saibh]

Chignon wrote...

I don't see the problem a DLC would pose for whether Kaidan and Ashley will join you in ME3 - at least, if there's no option to outright kill them. Something that most of us, if not all, don't want to see.

You know, I like Liara now, but I found it unfair that she's literally the only squadmate that cannot die.

Oh, it's not that a VS DLC would interfere with ME3, it could be quite the opposite. But if there was no Shadow Broker and Liara doesn't return as a squadmate, but the VS does, most people would think that's unfair treatment. If there is no VS DLC and the VS returns as a squadmate in ME3, you're still being treated fairly.

[Chignon]

Saibh wrote...

You know, I like Liara now, but I found it unfair that she's literally the only squadmate that cannot die.

Oh, it's not that a VS DLC would interfere with ME3, it could be quite the opposite. But if there was no Shadow Broker and Liara doesn't return as a squadmate, but the VS does, most people would think that's unfair treatment. If there is no VS DLC and the VS returns as a squadmate in ME3, you're still being treated fairly.

Ah, okay. I misunderstood what you were saying then.

True, but fact is we don't know who will return as a squadmate and who will not - so far everything is speculation. Also, you have to keep in mind that not everybody bought LotSB. Aside from that, as you already said, Liara already got special treatment in the way that she is the only squadmate that couldn't die and was prominently featured in both games.

But this thread isn't about her, just let it suffice to say that I'd love a DLC like it's been discussed on this thread, no matter the role of Kaidan and Ash in ME3.

Modifié par Chignon, 02 octobre 2010 - 12:45 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

The chance to be a champion of the Alliance would be awesome to see in a Kaiden/Ashley DLC. And of course getting Ashley/Kaiden to understand your side of things regarding Cerberus.

[Saibh]

You know, this raises my expectations of actually getting this DLC way higher.

Michael Gamble said...

It also marks the real beginning where we expand the ME2 story in preparation for ME3.

Unless they're talking about comics or books, but I believe more DLC would be in the works. I also believe that this is a sure hint that we will have post-campaign exclusive DLC.

Modifié par Saibh, 02 octobre 2010 - 04:15 .

[dewayne31]

i don't know if it been said before but allow same sex romance to happen we know it was done for me1.

[Saibh]

dewayne31 wrote...

i don't know if it been said before but allow same sex romance to happen we know it was done for me1.

It was also planned for ME2, as well. Kaidan and Ashley got complete voice overs for a male/female option, but still some partial lines exist for some characters (I  remember Tali and Miranda being some) as same-sex romance.

However. This subject is controversial and will derail thread, so I don't want to say more.

Modifié par Saibh, 02 octobre 2010 - 04:30 .