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[Saibh]

sagequeen wrote...

@ mox: rock on! that is inspiring.

and bemused can mean confused or "to cause to have feelings of wry or tolerant amusement" - i think the latter is a little more like Kaidan (quoted from merriam webster's)

Yes, but I just ran through every other dictionary, I think Mirriam-Webster only included that definition because most people get it wrong. Everywhere else, it means confusion or to be deep in thought. Not that it's really relevant.

Modifié par Saibh, 03 octobre 2010 - 11:32 .

[harryriedl]

Saibh wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Of course, he likes all other four squaddies as well. But still, ON TOPIC (), it's nice to see a Bioware dev write something about the VS. It really seems at times they've been completely forgotten. Tho of course this was in October 2009... The challenge is seeing something mentioned about the VS AFTER ME2 was released.

Still, there's a lot of other fun stuff on that thread. Go read, if you weren't around on the old forums.

http://meforums.biow...&forum=144&sp=0

I kind of think it's funny that they tried to make Kaidan as non-polarizing as possible. You know, a BioWare character that wasn't nose-deep in issues. Of course, people noticed he had issues anyway, so they wrote Jacob, who aggressively gets angry at you for assuming he has issues but is otherwise really, really boring.

Also. "Bemused" means "confused". So...wry, confused lines.

That was a really interesting read, thanks for sharing. I do think that being an alien is a special hook not just because they're different, because it allows us to see them different. As he said, a human Wrex would probably be seen as a thug--but because of krogan culture, it's easier to look at him from a different perspective. I'd love if we got some similar write-ups about the ME2 characters, but, as you said, they were chased off by us.

Very intersting the Devs description of the characters. Especially the human-first focus of Ash at the expence of her deeper character. The me culpa that they didn't making the humans as gripping compared with the colourful aliens. The overcopencated with ME2 humans (most) just thinking in ME we had a marine from a military family and L2. Compared with worlds best merc, a gentetically modified peson with family issues,worlds best biotic with a criminal and childhood trauma, a master thief (I liked Kasuimi didn't seem quite the superhuman of the rest bar Jakob who was just dull) Although I did quite like his loyalty mission.

I can understand Bioware is in a rock and hard place with the human charactisation as the plausiblity for human characters is so much high. By making their background more extreme the charaters actions are easier to write.

My personal prefrence with the human characters are resonably normal. I liked the miltary charactisation in ME which meant I like Pressly and Adams. The simple fact that pretty much everyone called my character by rank on board and their was the pretences of military disipline on the ship. got me into the role playing of the first game.

Sorry about the OT last paragraph 

[Chignon]

Another thing I'd like to see is Kaidan/Ash and Shepard talking about the actual mission. You know how in ME1 you could go up to them and talk to them about what happened on Noveria, Feros, Virmire and get their opinion or unique lines like Kaidan's speeding ticket comment after you've dealt with Jeong on Feros?



It was almost completely absent in ME2 and I really want that back.

[Mr. Man]

I'm sure that Bioware has a good idea for how to use Ash/Kaidan in a fun Bridge DLC. Personally, I like the idea of having to chose between the Alliance and Cerberus, and maybe being forced to become enemies of the other (and lose Ash/Kaidan in the process).

[Saibh]

Mr. Man wrote...

I'm sure that Bioware has a good idea for how to use Ash/Kaidan in a fun Bridge DLC. Personally, I like the idea of having to chose between the Alliance and Cerberus, and maybe being forced to become enemies of the other (and lose Ash/Kaidan in the process).

I don't. It seems apparent to me Shepard is on his/her own in ME3. In the first game, the Alliance helps you out with squadmates, information, and resources (as does the Council). In the second game, Cerberus does this for you. In the third, we know have the Shadow Broker at our finger tips. I would prefer that Shepard not ally herself with anyone, and instead rally everyone against the Reaper threat.

Also, according to the events of the book, isn't Cerberus greatly weakened? I do believe they won't play as major a role in ME3, whether you sided with them or not.

Also, I don't want their romance to end just because you took the Renegade path. It seems cruel.

Modifié par Saibh, 04 octobre 2010 - 01:56 .

[Dave of Canada]

Mr. Man wrote...

(and lose Ash/Kaidan in the process).

I'm very much against this idea. Us Ashley / Kaidan romancers have already suffered a lot with them being capable of dying (reduced to playing similar roles as the other survivor), having them being able to just outright quit Shepard because of a second choice in the game would ruin the likelyhood of them even having more than two words in ME3.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 octobre 2010 - 03:45 .

[sagefic]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mr. Man wrote...

(and lose Ash/Kaidan in the process).

I'm very much against this idea. Us Ashley / Kaidan romancers have already suffered a lot with them being capable of dying (reduced to playing similar roles as the other survivor), having them being able to just outright quit Shepard because of a second choice in the game would ruin the likelyhood of them even having more than two words in ME3.

I, too, think this. 

and regarding discussing the mission - I miss that. Little things from ME1 made the team feel like a TEAM. ME2, for all it's emphasis on getting this incredible team, really lacked a sense of squaddie cohesion. I understand that this was because you could get almost any squaddie in any order so usually it was only miranda or jacob standing in the comm room after a recruitment mission. but seriously, even just having the other people standing around would have helped the illusion of being a team.



just having people sitting in chairs after each mission in ME1 made me at least assume they were paying attention to the mission. i never did know what the ME2 squaddies did with their time. peruse joker's extranet collection?

as for the VS DLC, I would like to see some sort of acknowledgement that the VS meets the rest of the crew (perhaps the way Liara's did it, where she mentions her visit, but they don't have to show it) but i do think Ash/Kaidan would have something to say about all the Alliance folks who defected to Cerberus just to serve with Shepard.

There's a kind of irony in that, really...

Modifié par sagequeen, 04 octobre 2010 - 04:43 .

[Saibh]

Brodyaha wrote...

Just finished Overlord DLC. Will try and keep references vague for those who haven't played.
Loved the quips from the AI, and seeing the squadmates cleanup stuff in the labs within and whatnot, as Shep was talking with one of the Cerberus researchers.
And although there was no dialogue, it was still good to see them doing something other than shooting stuff.
And I so want the fact that Shepard is a synthetic/organic hybrid to be addressed in Kaidan and Ashley DLC. That's an important plot point.

EDIT: and here's an idea from a poster in the "What's Next for DLC?" thread that touched upon earlier ideas in this thread.  It's awesome too.

cyberbook wrote...

DLC done on a budget - so re-hiring all the voice actors from ME2 is expensive for Bioware. Perhaps it is better to concentrate on the dialogue of one or two characters. Suggest working out DLCs where Shepard is seperated from the crew.  Shepard could gets rescued/break out with the Virmire Survivor's help. For part 2 of the DLC, Shepard could help them out with their secret mission.

Actually, I would prefer that they plan out all of their DLC (or maybe they already did record lines and simply didn't leave traces of it on the disc) and record all of the lines then. Bring everyone back and plan ahead for everything they need to do. Really, in my I-don't-have-to-fork-out-a-dollar-to-suggest-awesome-ideas mind, this is perfect.

[Chignon]

sagequeen wrote...

Oh yes, the return of the debriefing with the whole team would be great. I think it's more likely we see it in ME3, though.

[Chignon]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mr. Man wrote...

(and lose Ash/Kaidan in the process).

I'm very much against this idea. Us Ashley / Kaidan romancers have already suffered a lot with them being capable of dying (reduced to playing similar roles as the other survivor), having them being able to just outright quit Shepard because of a second choice in the game would ruin the likelyhood of them even having more than two words in ME3.

I agree with you completely, Dave. Kaidan and Ash constantly get the short end of the stick. I'd be very disappointed if it also happened in a theoretical VS DLC.

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

Agreed.
One Horizon and one game without them is enough.
And there will already be choice words because of Cerberus issues.
I'd prefer things to be somewhat resolved for ME3, not divided even more.

And what would be better than a Kaidan & Ash DLC to lay the foundations?

[chucktheduck]

One DLC: Virmire Survivor (or something more clever)

Ash/Kaiden as squadmates, at least temporarily

Time to talk to Ash/Kaiden

More citadel or other unexplored environment

Something similiar to a ME main plot mission (ie. Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Wards)

[Chignon]

chucktheduck wrote...

One DLC: Virmire Survivor (or something more clever)
Ash/Kaiden as squadmates, at least temporarily
Time to talk to Ash/Kaiden
More citadel or other unexplored environment
Something similiar to a ME main plot mission (ie. Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Wards)

Yep, that's the short of it.

[Anglerfish]

Regarding wishlist, would like opportunity to kill the squadmate who survived Virmire. Both annoying, utterly blind; killing Ashley on Virmire default position, annoyed that Kaidan changes from a quiet idiot to a loud one: thinks investigating a massive attack on a human colony using Cerberus intel is equivalent to indoctrination whilst not demonstrating any concern than his superiors are covering up the fact that there ever was a Reaper.

I mean seriously, Tali deals with it and Cerberus actually attacked her people. All Cerberus did to Kaidan was... erm... experimented on some rachni in his general direction. Jack deals with it and she was engineered and tortured by Cerberus. Garrus deals with it because he has clear enough judgement to recognise that Cerberus is simply serving as the human equivalent of salarian special tasks group, albeit without strict regulation other than common sense directives. I wouldn't mind betting a Collector would be more rational than Kaidan/Ashley.

Modifié par Anglerfish, 05 octobre 2010 - 09:06 .

[Chignon]

... and it's times like this when I wonder if it's that hard to read the OP.

[Anglerfish]

Simply giving my opinion. I would like an opportunity to turn on the alliance and specific members of it. Rant unnecessary but far from immature.

Modifié par Anglerfish, 05 octobre 2010 - 09:08 .

[Chignon]

Anglerfish wrote...

Regarding wishlist, would like opportunity to kill the squadmate who survived Virmire. Both annoying, utterly blind; killing Ashley on Virmire default position, annoyed that Kaidan changes from a quiet idiot to a loud one: thinks investigating a massive attack on a human colony using Cerberus intel is equivalent to indoctrination whilst not demonstrating any concern than his superiors are covering up the fact that there ever was a Reaper.

I mean seriously, Tali deals with it and Cerberus actually attacked her people. All Cerberus did to Kaidan was... erm... experimented on some rachni in his general direction. Jack deals with it and she was engineered and tortured by Cerberus. Garrus deals with it because he has clear enough judgement to recognise that Cerberus is simply serving as the human equivalent of salarian special tasks group, albeit without strict regulation other than common sense directives. I wouldn't mind betting a Collector would be more rational than Kaidan/Ashley.

Anglerfish wrote...

Simply giving my opinion. I would like an opportunity to turn on the alliance and specific members of it. Rant unnecessary but far from immature.

You just stated you would like kill Ashley/Kaidan. You can easily turn on the Alliance - if that's your wish- without killing them. It's superfluous. This option was not wanted by most of the posters in this thread.

Now to your post: did you even play ME1?

On the contrary. It is quite immature to assume that two marines in the position that Kaidan or Ashley are in would drop their responsibilities to the Alliance and to the people they were send to help just to join Shepard for no other reason than him/her asking them to or to completely trust Shepard after magically turning up for the first time in two years before considering all facts. 
You can not compare their situation to Garrus's, who has no ties left, or Tali's, who finished her mission on Haestrom.

Now to the issue of Shepard working with Cerberus:

TeenZombie wrote...

Hmm, Kaidan sees dead collectors and collector pods all over Horizon.  He also sees Cerberus operatives in the area.  Why wouldn't he think that Cerberus is working with the Collectors or using them for their own purposes???  Let's review:

Evil / Stupid Things Cerberus Has Done That Kaidan or Ashley definitely know about (collected from the Mass Effect Wiki):

-  conducted horrific experiments intended to create super soldiers, including experiments on rachni and Thorian Creepers.

-  accidentally unleashed rachni on Listening Posts Alpha and Theta when their experimental subjects -- shipped from Noveria -- escaped from Depot Sigma-23.

-  deliberately destroyed a settlement on Chasca by turning the colonial pioneer team there into Husks.

-  in one of their most devastating experiments, Cerberus lured thresher maws to the colony on Akuze, resulting in the notorious massacre, later capturing Corporal Toombs -- one of the only survivors -- to conduct brutal tests.

-  Commander Shepard, investigating the disappearance of a group of marines under Rear Admiral Kahoku, found that Cerberus had lured them to a thresher maw nest using a distress beacon (similar to the "experiment" they allegedly conducted on Akuze). After being informed of their death, Kahoku bought information from the Shadow Broker and sent Shepard to track Cerberus down. Shepard's team went to Binthu to take out Cerberus' research bases, but not before Cerberus had Kahoku killed. Shepard then headed to Nepheron to launch an assault on Cerberus' main base.

Things that Kaidan / Ashley may NOT know about, but make Cerberus even more evil / stupid:

-  the events of Mass Effect Ascension, where Cerberus infiltrated an Alliance biotic training facility, the Ascension Project, and forced a red sand addict to give his autistic daughter biotic enhancing drugs that would also give her seizures.  Then they tried to steal the quarian Flotilla's transmission codes and blow up the Migrant Fleet.  Why?  Because TIM doesn't like that they have a lot of ships.

Then we have the facility on Pragia that Jack escaped from, Project Overlord, and all the lies and traps TIM send Shepard into.

Really?  Kaidan should just *know* that Shepard has good intentions when he sees that she's joined Cerberus?  I would really hope that he has more sense than that.

This more than justifies the reaction of Kaidan and Ashley on Horizon.

Modifié par Chignon, 05 octobre 2010 - 09:31 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Don't wrestle with a pig.

You just get dirty, and the pig enjoys it.

[Tilarta]

People played without one of the humans?
Really?

On my serious playthroughs, Ash was a member of the squad every outing we went on.
Sadly, I was unable to continue that trend in ME2, because none of the humans are as enduring in battle as Legion is.

I'm not certain a Wrex DLC is necessary.
It's already been established what he's doing (unifying the Krogan), we don't need a DLC to explain it.

As for telling Cerberus to take a running jump, I already did that by nuking the Collector Base and telling them off before terminating our relationship.
But it would be nice to solidify that via this DLC, i.e: actively go on the offense against Cerberus.
Maybe even toss in a reference to Grayson and TIM's foolish experimentation with dangerous technology as a reason to take him down or out.

And now that I think about it, we never really had briefing sessions like in ME1.
There's chats with one or two members around that table.

But the only serious meeting with every squaddie present was just before the Collector Base assault.

By the way, that empty frame is for the ME1 LI picture, if you had one.
I don't, so it's blank to me.
But I would like to have Ash's pic in it anyway.

Modifié par Tilarta, 05 octobre 2010 - 11:55 .

[Chignon]

I know, Mox, I know. And yet ...

Tilarta wrote...

By the way, that empty frame is for the ME1 LI picture, if you had one.
I don't, so it's blank to me.
But I would like to have Ash's pic in it anyway.

There are two different picture frames.

One only shows up if you romanced Ashley, Kaidan or Liara and there is another one on the desk near Shepard's bed. That's the one I referred to and it is empty regardless of if or who you romanced. That's why I thought it would be great if a VS DLC would add a picture in it.

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

 You can never have enough pictures.  Would love it if Ash or Kaid left one for Shep.

Here's an idea.  You know the car chase scene in Lair of the Shadow Broker?
What if we had a similar one to that in VS DLC....except with the Normandy?
We could take it for a spin around the galaxy.
We could hear banter from Ash, Kaid, Shep, Joker, AND EDI!
Maybe too many voices, but....it would be sweet.

It could be their present, like Liara and the dog tags - if Bioware should continue this tradition, of course.

Indeed, it would be sweet. But I doubt Joker would let Shepard have his "baby".