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[Chignon]

You are right, Phobius, but there is a difference between absolutely no emotional response to a traumatic event (i.e. Shepard's death or even to some extent the Horizon encounter) and making Shepard someone any player can identify with on some level, a "blank" slate so to speak .

I think LotSB did a fantastic job at that - it was emotional without being over the top or being "forced" onto the player and as I said a thousand times now, I hope this development will continue in a possible VS DLC.

Modifié par Chignon, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:47 .

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

I remember with FemShep I loved the way she said, "It's been two years? I've been gone that long?" In the shuttle to see TIM after escaping Lazarus Station.
That wasn't over the top. She didn't break down in front of Miranda and Jacob asking, "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH KAIDAN AND MY CREW?!" *cry cry cry cry*
But the tone of her voice indicated her confusion and pain.
I would've liked to see more of that.

Yes, It's just a shame it only come up once or twice very early in the game and then only in front of Miranda and Jacob.

There was a return to that in LotSB, like Chignon said (spoilers ahead).

You can reply, "I'm frustrated," and Shepard can express her frustration at being roped into working with Cerberus, and the danger they put her in, and the fact that she's dead but people don't believe her.
Also, I loved the way Meer and Hale said, "Come back soon, Liara."

That was a really nice touch, just like the preceding conversation options ranging from tired, hopeful to frustrated. Great work. Please, Bioware, more of that in a possible VS DLC!

[tanuki]

Phobius9 wrote...

I guess the problem is that they can't make Shepard too emotional, as he/she has to appeal to as broad a spectrum of players as possible. I guess bioware figure that Shallow Shepard is more appealing to more people than emtional Shepard. Emotion is subjective, whilst there are obviously a lot of people who'd enjoy that (me included) there are also those who would find it stupid, distracting or otherwise not how "their shepard" reacts.

Personally I think just making an emotional response a conversation option, rather than the default response is the way forward, but I guess that might be more work than Bioware is willing to invest. Who knows? Hopefully LotSB sees a change in direction for Bioware and ME3, but part of me just wonders whether its lip-service for those who wanted a bit more depth for the character in ME2.

I really want to see what they gonna do in DA2. It was told that they implement some system where you can choose not only what your PC says, but the tone of the answer too. Probably there can be something like this for ME3?

[Phobius9]

"Also, I loved the way Meer and Hale said, "Come back soon, Liara." "



Yeah, this was what made the latter half of LotSB so good for me. That, and the previous conversation with Liara. That one sentance really made me see how lonely Shepard is. I loved the way the camera pans out with him sat on his bed, looking so tired and lonely, In fact that one sentance had more emotion in it than most of ME2, to be honest.



As I said, hopefully this is what we'll see more of in ME3.



"I really want to see what they gonna do in DA2. It was told that they implement some system where you can choose not only what your PC says, but the tone of the answer too. Probably there can be something like this for ME3?"



Unlikely I'd have thought. Bioware have already said they'll be using the same engine as ME2, with minimal tweaks, for ME3. I'm no expert, but what you're saying sounds like too much of a over-haul to implement. I know the engine for DA1 is different than for DA2.

[Selenora]

Phobius9 wrote...

"Also, I loved the way Meer and Hale said, "Come back soon, Liara." "

Yeah, this was what made the latter half of LotSB so good for me. That, and the previous conversation with Liara. That one sentance really made me see how lonely Shepard is. I loved the way the camera pans out with him sat on his bed, looking so tired and lonely, In fact that one sentance had more emotion in it than most of ME2, to be honest.

Totally agree.

[Chignon]

Phobius9 wrote...

"I really want to see what they gonna do in DA2. It was told that they implement some system where you can choose not only what your PC says, but the tone of the answer too. Probably there can be something like this for ME3?"

Unlikely I'd have thought. Bioware have already said they'll be using the same engine as ME2, with minimal tweaks, for ME3. I'm no expert, but what you're saying sounds like too much of a over-haul to implement. I know the engine for DA1 is different than for DA2.

 
It also would have been a bit unlikely for Bioware to introduce such a change in a possible VS DLC, in my opinion.

[Chignon]

I really support these interrupts during conversation. I loved that in LotSB - I was actually so surprised by them when I first played it that I missed one or two, but I'm really loving them. (:



So a question for everybody: what kind of interrupts would you like to see?

[Chignon]

avalon30 wrote...

Oh there has to be a passionate kiss interrupt... pretty please, Bioware???

Seconded.

[Darthbill52]

Chignon wrote...

avalon30 wrote...

Oh there has to be a passionate kiss interrupt... pretty please, Bioware???

Seconded.

Thirded ...Great line to say "Give me some Sugar, Baby"

[Darthbill52]

Brodyaha wrote...

Also, I loved the way Meer and Hale said, "Come back soon, Liara."

Agreed, there was a sence of something Humanity, Fellowship that was there as well in ME1 that didnt get in ME2

[Chignon]

Would you prefer only Paragon interrupts, like in LotSB? Or would you also want Renegade interrupts - not necessarily violent, but maybe more "aggressive" ones like cutting Ash or Kaidan off mid-sentence and start a mini rant yourself?

[JThompson6577]

Chignon wrote...

Would you prefer only Paragon interrupts, like in LotSB? Or would you also want Renegade interrupts - not necessarily violent, but maybe more "aggressive" ones like cutting Ash or Kaidan off mid-sentence and start a mini rant yourself?

I think if they're going to give you the option of healing the wounds of Horizon it's only fair that they give you the other option.  The option to end things completely.

[Tilarta]

I don't tend to use Renegade interrupts on my friends (although my enemies get the Renegade punch).



As for me, I'm going to do my best to hug and make up, because I want to be on good terms with Ashley for ME3.

Plus, that sends the "I'm a bigger person then you" message. The VS may think we're a traitor, but because they're confused about my loyalties doesn't mean it's a two way street.

Sortof like "You need help? I'll be there! No questions asked".

[Darthbill52]

JThompson6577 wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Would you prefer only Paragon interrupts, like in LotSB? Or would you also want Renegade interrupts - not necessarily violent, but maybe more "aggressive" ones like cutting Ash or Kaidan off mid-sentence and start a mini rant yourself?

I think if they're going to give you the option of healing the wounds of Horizon it's only fair that they give you the other option.  The option to end things completely.

I may not use them personally but I think your right.  The option to rebut "negativtly" given the way things on Horizon were said, you might feel anger and "set the record straight" to your ally/LI

[Darthbill52]

Tilarta wrote...

I don't tend to use Renegade interrupts on my friends (although my enemies get the Renegade punch).
".

Yeah the only Renegade points i seem to get is Shepard Punch mercs outta windows

Tilarta wrote...
As for me, I'm going to do my best to hug and make up, because I want to be on good terms with Ashley for ME3.
Plus, that sends the "I'm a bigger person then you" message. The VS may think we're a traitor, but because they're confused about my loyalties doesn't mean it's a two way street.
Sortof like "You need help? I'll be there! No questions asked".

Couldnt have said it  better my self, your not a mind reader are you

[Mox Ruuga]

Chignon wrote...

Would you prefer only Paragon interrupts, like in LotSB? Or would you also want Renegade interrupts - not necessarily violent, but maybe more "aggressive" ones like cutting Ash or Kaidan off mid-sentence and start a mini rant yourself?

Yes!

This was one of the things the Liara fandom wished for, that didn't end up in LotSB (unlike kvetching about the hacking missions, a "shut up kiss" interrupt, asking whether her and Feron were an item etc.)

My original idea in one early angry Liara thread was something like Shepard losing it over Liara's coldness and smashing her desk with her enchanced strength, or smashing something in her office. Just our of frustration. And then yelling at her (partly in anger, partly in anguish).

Would be great if the VS DLC got the chance for this. Even better if this doesn't cow the VS, but escalates into a shouting match, which then clears the air and leaves both slightly out of breath. Of course, heading now into blatant fanservice territory, they might follow up this breathless moment by a Paragon interrupt. Just something small, like Shepard smiling (which would cause the VS to look relieved, etc.) C'mon Bioware, you were so proud of that Ash/Kaidan look of relief or anguish after Eden Prime! Do it! A smile interrupt, with perhaps a face caress included if your Shep is in romance with the VS?

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

I would love to have both choices. I could see a renegade rant being something like, "Garrus and Tali were willing to join me to stop the Reapers! You and the Alliance abandoned me! Yada yada yada....."

And although I subjectively agree with how Kaidan and Ashley react on Horizon (which I won't reiterate here for space sake), some of my Shepards wouldn't agree with me.  I would be interested in both reactions.  Likewise, some of my Shepards would just want to hug Kaidan or Ashley and go, "I'm not a Cerberus traitor!"

Maybe the option for a paragon and renegade interrupt would come up at the same time if Kaidan and Ashley are discussing Horizon.  People can choose either response.

I like the Garrus and Tali idea. A lot of people have an issue with that situation - myself not included- and it would be great to see it addressed in the form of a Renegade interrupt for them.
The Paragon one is also very good - I just wanted to suggest that one myself, Brody!  

But they need to be on the screen for longer.  The ones in LotSB were so quick.

This. When I played it for the first time, I missed one or two interrupts during Liara's conversation.


EDIT:

Mox Ruuga wrote...

*snip*

Would be great if the VS DLC got the chance for this. Even better if this doesn't cow the VS, but escalates into a shouting match, which then clears the air and leaves both slightly out of breath. Of course, heading now into blatant fanservice territory, they might follow up this breathless moment by a Paragon interrupt. Just something small, like Shepard smiling (which would cause the VS to look relieved, etc.) C'mon Bioware, you were so proud of that Ash/Kaidan look of relief or anguish after Eden Prime! Do it! A smile interrupt, with perhaps a face caress included if your Shep is in romance with the VS?

I must've said it a few times now but it can't hurt to say it again: Mox, I love your ideas. 

Modifié par Chignon, 16 octobre 2010 - 10:49 .

[Chignon]

I agree, Brody. I play a Renagon Shepard and this can get quite disappointing at times.