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[Chignon]

If you take a look at one of my posts above, you'll see that I agree with you.

I already got that impression from ME2 - you could always go back to talk with Liara and do missions for her. It is at odds, though, with Bioware constantly stating all LIs are equal when they are quite obviously not.

Modifié par Chignon, 04 novembre 2010 - 12:21 .

[Jebel Krong]

Chignon wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

tbh i don't want the virmire survivor to come back in DLC - they've moved on, so has shepard, going back would be like treading water, and i don't think they'd do that in a dlc. i do see them returning in some capacity for me3 though.

Every Shepard is different - mine hasn't moved on and  judging by Horizon and the following message the same can be said for Kaidan and Ashley. That is of course just my opinion. 

I'd welcome to get the same chance to reconcile (or not, if you do not want your Shepard to do that) as Liara fans did.

i didn't mean necessarily emotionally - obviously some sheps haven't and the LIs kinda/sorta have depending on how you handle horizon, but in 2 years a lot has changed, regardless of how shepard in limbo feels - it's like the old time-travel trope - a lifetime for one, a moment for another: ashley/kaiden haven't just sat around pinin, they've moved on, in the alliance.

Collider wrote...

I'd say that Liara is the other main character of Mass Effect besides Shepard. She has the most story relevance out of all of the characters and even her own comic books and DLC. And she's the only squad mate who cannot die in any way.

liara is no more important than any other squad-mate, and the games haven't indicated as such in any way. the fact that her plot got resolved in a dlc, rather than a main game should tell you as much (and it's no reason to expect other LI or me1 squaddie dlcs as a result). (she can't die because she wasn't an me2 squad-mate and they were obviously saving her for the SB storyline). her story relevance in me2 is zilch, in me1 it was more than tali/garrus' but by no means massive.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 04 novembre 2010 - 12:44 .

[Milana_Saros]

Jebel Krong wrote...

liara is no more important than any other squad-mate, and the games haven't indicated as such in any way.

Ehhh...I don't know. Not more important in general looking at ME2 characters but....she got a respected status as an information dealer, got to talk with Shepard and later got her own damn DLC where she became the Shadowbroker.

What did Kaidan/Ashley get? A lame ass cloned dialogue on Horizon and a DLC has yet to be seen. Prboably not even going to happen.

I don't know, it pisses me off somewhat. Liara is more or less forcefed whereas Kaidan/Ashley are those two alternative LI's for ME1 who seem to be bundled in together instead of as separate individuals.

Just the way I see it.

[Collider]

liara is no more important than any other squad-mate, and the games haven't indicated as such in any way.

The fact that she becomes the next Shadowbroker DLC is enough indication.
Besides that,
a. Most vital squad mate in ME1 period. She's the only reason why Shepard was able to go to Ilos and therefore stop Saren, and therefore save the galaxy.
b. She saves Shepard's body, which means Shepard is able to stop the Collectors...and save the galaxy again.
c. She is being treated like the most important squad mate, as she has her own comic book, her own DLC, and is the only squad mate who cannot die. Currently, all the VS gets is Horizon where they shout at you and then send you an email.

Modifié par Collider, 04 novembre 2010 - 12:53 .

[Chignon]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

tbh i don't want the virmire survivor to come back in DLC - they've moved on, so has shepard, going back would be like treading water, and i don't think they'd do that in a dlc. i do see them returning in some capacity for me3 though.

Every Shepard is different - mine hasn't moved on and  judging by Horizon and the following message the same can be said for Kaidan and Ashley. That is of course just my opinion. 

I'd welcome to get the same chance to reconcile (or not, if you do not want your Shepard to do that) as Liara fans did.

i didn't mean necessarily emotionally - obviously some sheps haven't and the LIs kinda/sorta have depending on how you handle horizon, but in 2 years a lot has changed, regardless of how shepard in limbo feels - it's like the old time-travel trope - a lifetime for one, a moment for another: ashley/kaiden haven't just sat around pinin, they've moved on, in the alliance.

Ah, I misunderstood you then. Yes, in that way they certainly have.

[RubyRed1975]

Well BioWare did say that the DLC would not come as frequently after LOTSB, however it would be nice if someone said we are not going to make this DLC. I guess since Kai/Ash are not that important we can look forward to another crappy cameo oh and maybe a kiss good-bye  Since they are so focused on moving on in the Alliance.

Well I guess I'll be twiddling my thumbs til ME3

[cihimi]

keep dreaming, boys and girls.

[Ashii6]

cihimi wrote...

keep dreaming, boys and girls.

If you don't have anything interesting to add, then better not to write.

Modifié par Ashii6, 04 novembre 2010 - 02:39 .

[RubyRed1975]

@ Avalon...I tried to be optimistic, I really did. But with the lack of any info coming in from Bio kind of leaves me disheartned. After how Kai/Ash were represented to some as being these incredible jerks who have nothing better to do than to yell at you ( not how I feel but, how some people feel especially those who haven't played ME) it worries me that they will not be given the roles that they both deserve whether it is in DLC or ME3.

Would I love to see this DLC happen? Absolutely  Will it happen? I honestly don't know.
Do I want Kai/Ash to play an intricate part in ME3? Yep sure do. But will Bio give them the recognition they deserve? Haven't a clue.

This is why I'm sitting on the fence between optimisim and pessimism. Now I will go back to sitting on my fence

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

*snip*

Of course, a DLC might not even be on BioWare's radar yet.  Support for it got more vocal after LotSB, which was only 2 months ago.

Maybe they're waiting for 1000+ people to join the DLC group or something.  Then they know it might be financially viable to make it.

I suppose you are right about the mention. But hearing Bioware stating several times on the forums that all LIs are "equal" when in fact everything in the game and DLCs suggests otherwise just rubs me the wrong way. I guess as someone else wrote, some LIs are just more equal than others.

Well, if that isn't motivation enough for those who haven't yet!

Modifié par Chignon, 04 novembre 2010 - 03:40 .

[CARL_DF90]

Ashley better not die in the end because she is a love interest in one of my game saves. I would also love the Virmire Survivor to become like the second human Spectre in the end of the DLC. That would be a great ending that would be in a similar vein to the ending in Lair of the Shadow Broker: a friend in a good position to help in the future.
Kaidan and Ashley DLC Support Group 485 members! Need more! 

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 04 novembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[FireEye]

avalon30 wrote...

And though I'm usually the perpetual optimist, my first thought was-- I'd hold off on thank yous until I learned that the VS would absolutely not die at the end of a DLC.

I hadn't thought of that possibility in a while. 

[FireEye]

Kaidan brings enough optimism to defend everyone from the pessimism.  Especially Ashley.  He has anti-pessimism biotic shielding, don't you know? 

[VutaatVerd]

VS DLC needs an Ashley and Kaidan Beer Steins

[mineralica]

I may be too optimistic, but since that Kaidan and Ashley are less important than any other LI?

Look at first ME - whose fans are the saddest and which characters has less screen time? Tali and Garrus. They're not even LI, and look how story turned in ME2.

Look at vanilla ME2 - everyone complaining on Liara's dramatic changes and cold behaviour. Then compare this with after-LotSB thoughts.

ME series isn't over yet, and it's likely that story will twist in a way what VS will be the "coolest" LI. I'm not going to be in a bad mood expecting worst

[Chignon]

I don't want to sound like a broken record but:

Nobody here said that they are less important - just that they are not treated equal to any of the other LIs in the series. Up to now, at least and that is everything we can go by. At least for now. Besides, I would not call it pessimistic or "a bad mood", but merely realistic. Though, I guess that is a matter of opinion.

Tali and Garrus are squadmates in both games with a friendship arc in the first game and a romance arc in the second one.

Liara had missions in ME2 and you could return and talk to her anytime you liked. On top of that she has her own DLC now.

Every LI except Ash and Kaidan were acknowledged in Kasumi's Stolen Memory and Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Modifié par Chignon, 04 novembre 2010 - 06:18 .

[FireEye]

Chignon wrote...

I don't want to sound like a broken record but:

Nobody here said that they are less important - just that they are not treated equal to any of the other LIs in the series. Up to now, at least and that is everything we can go by. At least for now. Besides, I would not call it pessimistic or "a bad mood", but merely realistic. Though, I guess that is a matter of opinion.

Tali and Garrus are squadmates in both games with a friendship arc in the first game and a romance arc in the second one.

Liara had missions in ME2 and you could return and talk to her anytime you liked. On top of that she has her own DLC now.

Every LI except Ash and Kaidan were acknowledged in Kasumi's Stolen Memory and Lair of the Shadow Broker.

And in ME2, they were only acknowledged as LI's by themselves and Joker.  Kelly gives the "do you miss him/her" speech regardless of whether you're romancing them or not.

[Chignon]

My comment wasn't aimed at you Ava, but mineralica. I understood perfectly well what you meant to say. (:



And yes, it certainly doesn't hurt to show our continued support for Ash and Kaidan!