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[sagefic]

I think the other piece here is that there seems to be something missing with the story *in addition to* Ashley/Kaidan being gone.

Ashley/Kaidan represent the Alliance. the fact that they say so on horizon and ditch shepard because of Cerberus means that their characters are now completely tied up in how shepard resolves ties with cerberus and/or the alliance. *that* is a plot arc worth exploring regardless of if you like ash or kaidan. however, again, ash/kaidan are now totally a part of that imo.

In spite of the fact that Hackett has Shepard check out the Normandy crash site (if you get that DLC), they Alliance essentially dumped Shepard and left his/her image to be smeared - even doing a lot of the smearing. Anderson says little. the VS calls you a traitor. *THAT* also needs to be resolved. perhaps that will be done in ME3, but it is a very central and very loose thread to the overall story.

the liara story was a comic and now, DLC. it covers the SB and how shep's body was recovered and found. it also was a point to reintroduce a side-lined romantic arc. it makes perfect sense, then, to have the VS return also be the point of continuing the Alliance story arc.

quite frankly, i see this as more a request that we want to hear from the devs that the VS and all they represent in the story will not be forgotten, nor will the romance be. my comparison of this to a tali date dlc was actually a bad one, becuase i see this less a chance for a 3rd romance scene (if you count the picture staring as romantic) and more as a request that we get word that a plot arc and characters we are fans of will, in fact, be carried over into DLC or ME3 and sense of when we can expect to see that.

Modifié par sagequeen, 25 août 2010 - 11:37 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

sagequeen...



you're like ... my hero! lol



Every one of your posts are full of win and sum up what I'm thinking pretty much to the letter.



Story lines need to be continued and these characters should not be forgotten, especially since they were in the majority of the first game with Shepard.

[Rogue Unit]

fortunesque wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

What Sage said is true. That's why the VS fans feel ignored. Every character (especially the LIs) has gotten more the the VS.

So either we make a thread asking to not be forgotten or we "have faith". Given the track record, I think it'd be better to make a fuss and be seen rather than do nothing and possibly get nothing.

Maybe it's just because I don't care for Ashley or Kaidan and that's why I don't get that sense of being "Ignored."

I don't really see how any fan of other LI have gotten more than you guys except probably Liara fans.. Garrus fans got like 2 lines of dialogue and a cheesy romance scene. Or was being able to use A/K a huge deal breaker for you guys?

Anyway, I'd see some more DLC even if it is A/K. I get so bored playing ME2 20 times other with the same content.

We had a crappy cameo where our LI yelled at us and Shepard derped off. Both Ash and Kaidan go cross-eyed in their cameo and have shared lines. Even people that hated them know that they're complete opposites. And then the other LIs get a romance scene and dialog and the opportunity to bring their LI to their cabin. Liara fans will get to continue their romance with her.

So the VS fans are wondering if we've been forgotten for the reasons that Sage said. Maybe it means nothing to people that aren't VS fans, but try to see it from our point of view.

I'm stepping over the fence now.

After reading alot of your post and other VS fans post, I'm willing to admit you've been overlooked and even a bit screwed over so far. But I don't think that means Bio-ware has completely forgotten the VS. Who knows? Maybe they're devolping the DLC right now.

I guess I just have greater faith in Bio-ware than most.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 25 août 2010 - 11:48 .

[fortunesque]

 Like I said in a previous post, we have no way of knowing. That's what this thread is for. And if they're already working on one, then they're probably happy that they're investing their resources properly. 

[Jade5233]

Rogue Unit wrote...
I'm stepping over the fence now.

After reading alot of your post and other VS fans post, I'm willing to admit you've been overlooked and even a bit screwed over so far. But I don't think that means Bio-ware has completely forgotten the VS. Who knows? Maybe they're devolping the DLC right now.

I guess I just have greater faith in Bio-ware than most.

Thanks for being willing to see our side. 

[Rogue Unit]

I'd rather see VS DLC than a bunch of useless firepacks and armors.

And thank you, fortunesque for engaging me. Sagequeen's post made me see some of the neglect the VS receives. For what it's worth I hope this thread convinces Bio-ware to make the DLC if they already aren't.

BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 25 août 2010 - 11:57 .

[siriusrambles]

@sage - that's what i was referring to a couple pages ago. i'd like some resolution between the alliance and shepard. is cerberus connected somehow? there are a lot of variables at play here. ash and kaidan could be the liaison transitioning shepard back into the alliance or act as her contact had he/she chose to walk away or stay with cerberus. this could led to them talking about what happened on horizon. maybe mending the rift a bit.

[ExtremeOne]

Rogue Unit wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Yaaaaay!!! Bashers coming in to illustrate the points that I made at the top of the page perfectly!!! Now let's see how many ridiculous statements they can fit into one post, I know we'll make it to a Bingo eventually:

This proves what I said exactly. If you aren't whining and shouting you've been ignored, you're a troll.

All I'm saying is that maybe you haven't been "ignored" and maybe Bioware hasn't gotten around to you guys yet. Hell they're just now making Liara's DLC and VS DLC would be harder because of have to record Ashley dialogue, Kaidan's Dialogue, then you have to take into account dialogue for people who didn't romance either of them and vise versa. Whereas with Liara you only have Liara's and Shepard's. Make sense?

  


No I am not being a troll i support the idea of them getting a dlc but i want to finish what they started on Horizion by murdering them 

[sir-edmund]

sagequeen wrote...

I think the other piece here is that there seems to be something missing with the story *in addition to* Ashley/Kaidan being gone.

Ashley/Kaidan represent the Alliance. the fact that they say so on horizon and ditch shepard because of Cerberus means that their characters are now completely tied up in how shepard resolves ties with cerberus and/or the alliance. *that* is a plot arc worth exploring regardless of if you like ash or kaidan. however, again, ash/kaidan are now totally a part of that imo.

In spite of the fact that Hackett has Shepard check out the Normandy crash site (if you get that DLC), they Alliance essentially dumped Shepard and left his/her image to be smeared - even doing a lot of the smearing. Anderson says little. the VS calls you a traitor. *THAT* also needs to be resolved. perhaps that will be done in ME3, but it is a very central and very loose thread to the overall story.

I think one of the things that upset me the most in ME2 was being ex-communicated from the Alliance. It hurt to get kicked out of the cool kids' club and to be stonewalled at every turn. It's like Anderson didn't invite me to his birthday party, even though he invited Kaidan and Udina.

And that's great, if I'm getting all worked up over these things (which I am ) that means Bioware is doing it right. That's engaging storytelling. It can't (and shouldn't) be rainbows and bunnies all the time, that would make for a really dull game. But with so many things that need to be addressed in ME3, getting dumped by the Alliance is right up there in the #2 slot of things I want to see resolved. If we're saving it for later for dramatic effect, great, but I think it could also make a good DLC adventure.

Also, hats!

[Badpie]

Jade5233 wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...
I'm stepping over the fence now.

After reading alot of your post and other VS fans post, I'm willing to admit you've been overlooked and even a bit screwed over so far. But I don't think that means Bio-ware has completely forgotten the VS. Who knows? Maybe they're devolping the DLC right now.

I guess I just have greater faith in Bio-ware than most.

Thanks for being willing to see our side. 

Yes thank you for actually taking the time to consider the opinion and think about it.  Like we said, THUS FAR we feel like we've been a little slighted and anyone looking at content and character development for Ashley and Kaidan UP TO THIS POINT can understand why we feel that way.  That doesn't mean we don't think something awesome MIGHT happen.  And that's what this thread is for.

I'm not realistically getting my hopes up too high, but I am willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt that they'll do right by their characters and I like having the opportunity to encourage that in this thread.

As far as trolling goes, it's fine if you don't like these characters.  It's fine if you want to start your own little hate group about them.  I won't go in it.  Because that would be trolling.  And if it continues after this post anyone using imflammatory language simply to incite anger and frustration in the people who do like these characters will be reported.  Not just by me, but by anyone else who is an adult and doesn't have time for childish buffoonery.

Also folks if you're going to report, make sure you DM a mod directly and link the page of the incident and the profile of the person you're reporting.  And for goodness sake, simply ignore the people you know are trolling.  Don't engage it in conversation.  It's impossible.

Now let's get back on topic.

Also, TZ that bingo chart is amazing.  And I think I've heard all of those at least once.  

Modifié par Badpie, 26 août 2010 - 12:40 .

[ExtremeOne]

Charlie on Your Six wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
No I am not being a troll i support the idea of them getting a dlc but i want to finish what they started on Horizion by murdering them 

Of course, because that's obviously the rational thing to do. Do you realize how crazy you sound?

"You accused me of betraying the Alliance, and refused to join my suicide squad. I'm going to kill you, and then eat your liver with a nice chianti, and some fava beans!"

  


there should have been a way as Shepard to respond to them but no there was nothing but listen to them run their mouth. so yeah i want  my revenge and thats means pay back by any means. Shepard was treated like Sh*t by the alliance in ME 2 so yeah killing my enemies is fair game 

[RubyRed1975]

I would like a VS DLC. Will we get it maybe/maybe not. But, even if a Dev came in and said you guys haven't been forgotten and we are working on a satisfying conclusion to your romance arc in ME3 that would even be nice.



I also find it odd that after finding out that Shepard was alive that the Alliance nor the Council did anything to try to get you away from Cerberus. It seems that in everyone's eyes Shepard is a traitor. I know that this is a game but, I was kind of shell-shocked to be yelled at and labeled a traitor by Ash/Kaidan. And then Shep couldn't even defend him/herself. I knew the conversation was going to keep going down hill from "How you doing?" Really are you serious you haven't seen your LI / Friend in 2 years and that's the best you can come up with? If I have the option in ME3 to fly to furtherest system and land on a planet and become a hermit and wait for the Reapers to wipe us all out I'll do that but, I'll be drunk and happy and alone. O.k I probably wouldn't do that but, the way things went on Horizon I think Shep wanted to crawl in a hole and die.

[Badpie]

RubyRed1975 wrote...

I would like a VS DLC. Will we get it maybe/maybe not. But, even if a Dev came in and said you guys haven't been forgotten and we are working on a satisfying conclusion to your romance arc in ME3 that would even be nice.

I also find it odd that after finding out that Shepard was alive that the Alliance nor the Council did anything to try to get you away from Cerberus. It seems that in everyone's eyes Shepard is a traitor. I know that this is a game but, I was kind of shell-shocked to be yelled at and labeled a traitor by Ash/Kaidan. And then Shep couldn't even defend him/herself. I knew the conversation was going to keep going down hill from "How you doing?" Really are you serious you haven't seen your LI / Friend in 2 years and that's the best you can come up with? If I have the option in ME3 to fly to furtherest system and land on a planet and become a hermit and wait for the Reapers to wipe us all out I'll do that but, I'll be drunk and happy and alone. O.k I probably wouldn't do that but, the way things went on Horizon I think Shep wanted to crawl in a hole and die.

My thought on this is that Anderson, the Alliance and Ash/Kaidan probably knew more than what was hinted at in the game.  And that information was probably fraudulent intel fed to them by The Illusive Man that by all intents and purposes made Shepard look really bad.  I don't believe for a second TIM would just come right out and admit "oh yes I told the Alliance this this and this and also this."  He admitted to floating the rumor, but I suspect it was more than that.  Or at least that's what I hope.

I really wanna see things from the Alliance's perspective before I jump to any real conclusions about the Alliance "turning its back" on humanity and Shepard.  Because remember, we really only got one side of the story - the Cerberus side.  

Modifié par Badpie, 26 août 2010 - 01:02 .

[Badpie]

Charlie on Your Six wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

there should have been a way as Shepard to respond to them but no there was nothing but listen to them run their mouth. so yeah i want  my revenge and thats means pay back by any means. Shepard was treated like Sh*t by the alliance in ME 2 so yeah killing my enemies is fair game 

So... let me get this straight. You want to kill them because Shepard's dialogue was written horribly? I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

Then maybe you shouldn't. :innocent:

[Jade5233]

Brodyaha wrote...

If haters absolutely hate the VS, and are unsatiated with killing either Kaidan or Ashley on Virmire, then maybe BioWare can give an option where a mission can go wrong and gamers can leave the VS to die. (That is actually a really interesting idea; sounds like Zaeed's mission.)

 If they survive the mission, then the friendship/romance can develop. 

Heck yeah.  If BioWare is looking for returns on investment this would be an interesting way to get several groups of fans to be enthusiastic to buy the DLC.

[Jade5233]

Badpie wrote...

RubyRed1975 wrote...

I would like a VS DLC. Will we get it maybe/maybe not. But, even if a Dev came in and said you guys haven't been forgotten and we are working on a satisfying conclusion to your romance arc in ME3 that would even be nice.

I also find it odd that after finding out that Shepard was alive that the Alliance nor the Council did anything to try to get you away from Cerberus. It seems that in everyone's eyes Shepard is a traitor. I know that this is a game but, I was kind of shell-shocked to be yelled at and labeled a traitor by Ash/Kaidan. And then Shep couldn't even defend him/herself. I knew the conversation was going to keep going down hill from "How you doing?" Really are you serious you haven't seen your LI / Friend in 2 years and that's the best you can come up with? If I have the option in ME3 to fly to furtherest system and land on a planet and become a hermit and wait for the Reapers to wipe us all out I'll do that but, I'll be drunk and happy and alone. O.k I probably wouldn't do that but, the way things went on Horizon I think Shep wanted to crawl in a hole and die.

My thought on this is that Anderson, the Alliance and Ash/Kaidan probably knew more than what was hinted at in the game.  And that information was probably fraudulent intel fed to them by The Illusive Man that by all intents and purposes made Shepard look really bad.  I don't believe for a second TIM would just come right out and admit "oh yes I told the Alliance this this and this and also this."  He admitted to floating the rumor, but I suspect it was more than that.  Or at least that's what I hope.

I really wanna see things from the Alliance's perspective before I jump to any real conclusions about the Alliance "turning its back" on humanity and Shepard.  Because remember, we really only got one side of the story - the Cerberus side.  

And remember that TIM outright lied to Shepard when he told her that Liara now worked for the Shadow Broker.

And stop feeding the trolls. 

[Estelindis]

Regardless of whatever else we see in this DLC, I would like Shepard to learn a bit more about what the past two years were like for Kai and Ash, and for the marines to learn a bit about Shepard's post-revival conflicts.  Just little extra glimpses, not giving full resolution but setting down some foundations.

Guanxii wrote...
Here's my idea:

Cerberus finally goes too far and kidnaps Anderson in retaliation for Retribution; In order to bring back the captain alive Shepard finds himself forced to formally sever his ties with Cerberus if he hasn't already - a major opportunity for exposition bridging me2 and me3 explaining why Shepard left cerberus. In essence the "bridging dlc" that was promised.

Without the resources or contacts of the council or the Illusive man, Shepard finds an ally in an old friend.

Yes!  This is a *brilliant* idea.  If Shepard is still on good terms with Cerberus, and wants to remain so, yet also wants to save Anderson, the task would be to undertake a super-covert op so that Cerberus never knows s/he was involved in the rescue, and avoid damaging Cerberus.  (This might come down to a crux where Shep is forced to choose to damage Cerb a bit or sacrifice Anderson - this would really be an interesting one to show certain paragon/renegade nuances, I think.)   If Shepard is on bad terms with Cerberus, s/he tries to do as much damage to them as possible while helping Anderson.  (Maybe a choice comes up towards the end to let certain aspects of a Cerb op continue in order to gather intel and later be able to hit them harder, or simply concentrate on a certain, sure amount of damage right now.)  Either way, Ash or Kai come to Shepard because they feel that, regardless of all other issues, Shepard has a certain loyalty to her/his old commanding officer and friend.

Jade5233 wrote...
I think a sex scene would be a bit
premature after 2 years of separation, IMO.  Save it for ME3--and make
it a good one.  But I would like some good kissy kissy or snuggling like
you could have with the ME2 LI's.

Agree with this completely.  It's been a difficult two years for Ash and Kai, and things can't go back to normal instantly.  But wounds can begin to heal.

Jade5233 wrote...
I understand that since each VS is
only alive for half of the population, that BioWare might not find it
financially expedient to make two separate DLC.  Personally, I would be
okay if the premise and key plot points for each was somewhat the same
for both Kaidan and for Ashley.  But I would like the dialogue to be
unique for each--like in ME1 they weren't carbon copies of each other. 
Each character was an individual..

I agree with this completely too.  I'd rather have one big DLC than two little DLCs, but that one big DLC should reflect Ash and Kai's personality differences in their dialogue.

[fortunesque]

If the VS is killable in dlc then they certainly won't be back in ME3 in any large capacity. I say give the haters the opportunity to not purchase it. It's that simple -.-

[syllogi]

Jade5233 wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

If haters absolutely hate the VS, and are unsatiated with killing either Kaidan or Ashley on Virmire, then maybe BioWare can give an option where a mission can go wrong and gamers can leave the VS to die. (That is actually a really interesting idea; sounds like Zaeed's mission.)

 If they survive the mission, then the friendship/romance can develop. 

Heck yeah.  If BioWare is looking for returns on investment this would be an interesting way to get several groups of fans to be enthusiastic to buy the DLC.

That would cut down on the chances of the VS being a full squad member in ME3, though.  Haters don't have to buy DLC, and if Kaidan/Ashley is a party member in ME3, they don't have to use them...or maybe save the killing for that game.  I REALLY don't want make killing the Virmire Survivor an option in DLC.  It would be trivializing them yet again.

[Jade5233]

TeenZombie wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

If haters absolutely hate the VS, and are unsatiated with killing either Kaidan or Ashley on Virmire, then maybe BioWare can give an option where a mission can go wrong and gamers can leave the VS to die. (That is actually a really interesting idea; sounds like Zaeed's mission.)

 If they survive the mission, then the friendship/romance can develop. 

Heck yeah.  If BioWare is looking for returns on investment this would be an interesting way to get several groups of fans to be enthusiastic to buy the DLC.

That would cut down on the chances of the VS being a full squad member in ME3, though.  Haters don't have to buy DLC, and if Kaidan/Ashley is a party member in ME3, they don't have to use them...or maybe save the killing for that game.  I REALLY don't want make killing the Virmire Survivor an option in DLC.  It would be trivializing them yet again.

UGH.  True.  Didn't think about the effect upon him being a squadmate.  definitely  want Kaidan back as a squadmate.

I officially retract my statement, BioWare!