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#2303
Posté 04 janvier 2011 - 09:30
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Since it has been suggested that maybe only one more DLC is planned before ME3, I'd rather the developer focus on the reapers, or on the after fate of the collectors. I would really preferred they settled the characters development in ME3, saving the best for last. Here are my reasons:
DLCs are only one or two hour long, with maybe 2 missions total, how much character development can you fit into that? Keep in mind that these DLCs must also include other stories and advance the overall story some how, trying to do too much in such a limited fashion will spread the DLC too thin.
We already have a comic detailing the adventure of Liara's adventure between ME1 and ME2, so in a way her DLC is only the conclusion of a bigger and important story. What has our human squads been up to during the same time? Their adventures should be flushed out, we should get to know them all over again before we just jump in bed with them. This requires much more writing and time than a DLC.
I would hate for the romance to just be continued from ME1 after Shepard goes somewhere and shoot something. It may seem like only a few days has passed for Shepard, but as far as Ash and Kaidan is concerned, the relationship is no longer the same as they already moved on (a very difficult and emotional trial no doubt). Their love and loyalty shouldn't be a given, Shepard and they should restart romance from scratch, (in games term that means Shepard shouldn't be able to bone them right off the bat, but have to go through the whole talking a few line after each mission thing). This should be paced through many missions, and is only proper for a full game like ME3.
Anyway, that's just my take on this subject.
DLCs are only one or two hour long, with maybe 2 missions total, how much character development can you fit into that? Keep in mind that these DLCs must also include other stories and advance the overall story some how, trying to do too much in such a limited fashion will spread the DLC too thin.
We already have a comic detailing the adventure of Liara's adventure between ME1 and ME2, so in a way her DLC is only the conclusion of a bigger and important story. What has our human squads been up to during the same time? Their adventures should be flushed out, we should get to know them all over again before we just jump in bed with them. This requires much more writing and time than a DLC.
I would hate for the romance to just be continued from ME1 after Shepard goes somewhere and shoot something. It may seem like only a few days has passed for Shepard, but as far as Ash and Kaidan is concerned, the relationship is no longer the same as they already moved on (a very difficult and emotional trial no doubt). Their love and loyalty shouldn't be a given, Shepard and they should restart romance from scratch, (in games term that means Shepard shouldn't be able to bone them right off the bat, but have to go through the whole talking a few line after each mission thing). This should be paced through many missions, and is only proper for a full game like ME3.
Anyway, that's just my take on this subject.
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Posté 04 janvier 2011 - 10:21
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We'll just have to wait and see since we really don't know anything at this point. Still, even a Reaper themed DLC would be perfect for the Virmire Survivor to show up as the Alliance/ Anderson would also be investigating by this time since the Collector attack on Horizon.
Oh, yeah. Another milestone has been reached for the DLC support group. 650 members! Awesome!
Oh, yeah. Another milestone has been reached for the DLC support group. 650 members! Awesome!
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#2305
Posté 05 janvier 2011 - 04:38
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pprrff wrote...
Since it has been suggested that maybe only one more DLC is planned before ME3, I'd rather the developer focus on the reapers, or on the after fate of the collectors. I would really preferred they settled the characters development in ME3, saving the best for last. Here are my reasons:
DLCs are only one or two hour long, with maybe 2 missions total, how much character development can you fit into that? Keep in mind that these DLCs must also include other stories and advance the overall story some how, trying to do too much in such a limited fashion will spread the DLC too thin.
We already have a comic detailing the adventure of Liara's adventure between ME1 and ME2, so in a way her DLC is only the conclusion of a bigger and important story. What has our human squads been up to during the same time? Their adventures should be flushed out, we should get to know them all over again before we just jump in bed with them. This requires much more writing and time than a DLC.
I would hate for the romance to just be continued from ME1 after Shepard goes somewhere and shoot something. It may seem like only a few days has passed for Shepard, but as far as Ash and Kaidan is concerned, the relationship is no longer the same as they already moved on (a very difficult and emotional trial no doubt). Their love and loyalty shouldn't be a given, Shepard and they should restart romance from scratch, (in games term that means Shepard shouldn't be able to bone them right off the bat, but have to go through the whole talking a few line after each mission thing). This should be paced through many missions, and is only proper for a full game like ME3.
Anyway, that's just my take on this subject.
^ This. I agree with this I don’t want a VS DLC it doesn’t make sense for me personally. I figure for shep its been a few months in his/her mind but yeah it’s been years in reality and for their LI who had to live those years grief stricken w/o him/her and just as they’re putting their life together or focusing on making their life all about the Alliance shep comes back. This relationship will need to be healed over time if at all. I’d like the option to not heal the romance part but be friends as my sheps who romanced both characters has sense Horizon wants nothing more romantically to do with them. If they can convince these sheps a second chance they should give then once onboard the relationship will be a slow process of reconnecting and forgiveness. I also want the option in 3 to not have them join.
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Posté 05 janvier 2011 - 05:05
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Trust in Bioware. They'll find a way, considering that the Virmire Survivor is Alliance SpecOps now and will probably be investigating ANYTHING that has to do with the Reapers and the Collectors.
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Posté 05 janvier 2011 - 07:45
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pprrff wrote...
Since it has been suggested that maybe only one more DLC is planned before ME3, I'd rather the developer focus on the reapers, or on the after fate of the collectors. I would really preferred they settled the characters development in ME3, saving the best for last. Here are my reasons:
DLCs are only one or two hour long, with maybe 2 missions total, how much character development can you fit into that? Keep in mind that these DLCs must also include other stories and advance the overall story some how, trying to do too much in such a limited fashion will spread the DLC too thin.
We already have a comic detailing the adventure of Liara's adventure between ME1 and ME2, so in a way her DLC is only the conclusion of a bigger and important story. What has our human squads been up to during the same time? Their adventures should be flushed out, we should get to know them all over again before we just jump in bed with them. This requires much more writing and time than a DLC.
Fair enough. I know that BioWare has something extra special planned for them in ME3, but even just teaming up for a simple mission would be nice. I don't want any role in DLC to affect their potential role in ME3. If BioWare decides that DLC is now how they want to reveal Kaidan and Ashley's epic role, then that's fine. Whether I will buy that future DLC is to be decided then, but that's just me. Regardless, I at least want a mention of Kaidan and Ashley in a positive manner other than being a) not mentioned at all, or
called, "short-sighted."pprrff wrote...
I would hate for the romance to just be continued from ME1 after Shepard goes somewhere and shoot something. It may seem like only a few days has passed for Shepard, but as far as Ash and Kaidan is concerned, the relationship is no longer the same as they already moved on (a very difficult and emotional trial no doubt). Their love and loyalty shouldn't be a given, Shepard and they should restart romance from scratch, (in games term that means Shepard shouldn't be able to bone them right off the bat, but have to go through the whole talking a few line after each mission thing). This should be paced through many missions, and is only proper for a full game like ME3.
We're not asking for a full-on repair of the romance or friendship. I'm personally glad that their love and loyalty "is not a given;" I 100% agree with you on that. Reparations would take time, but could it be possible to get a foot in the door toward showing our loyalty toward the Alliance (assuming players want to), or at least explain how we got to working with Cerberus? Just something to make up for Shepard's lack of eloquence on Horizon.
And a lot of us romanced Kaidan and Ashley, but we also loved them as friendships. It's because they're great characters, and for those who loved both, Virmire was a hard decision, and we're telling BioWare we're willing to pay for that.
Yeah, we fans are not investors (as Stanley Woo mentioned in another thread), and consumers are low on the "need to know list," and other investor needs might come first, but hopefully the fan love for these characters and willingness to pay for DLC with Kaidan and Ash in it is worth something. Obviously, BioWare needs to cater to the biggest markets to make the most money in terms of a product, and I don't know how much DLC costs to make. But maybe if we're nice enough, they could throw us a bone or two.
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Posté 05 janvier 2011 - 08:31
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On a separate note, I edited the OP. I figured if BioWare's got a DLC planned, then they already have the plot and location down. So I took out the locations and some mission desires, and focused on what we would like to see relationship-wise in terms of character development. The letter to the fans is shorter, the letter to BioWare is shorter and revised to reflect the fact (again) that they're working on DLC, and I've mentioned that 650 people are now part of the group! 
I did keep in the fact that we would like to see Anderson and hear Hackett. (Maybe see him?)
PM me if any of you have problems with it, or if you like it. I tried to boil it down more, but its everyone's thread.
I did keep in the fact that we would like to see Anderson and hear Hackett. (Maybe see him?
)PM me if any of you have problems with it, or if you like it. I tried to boil it down more, but its everyone's thread.
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Posté 05 janvier 2011 - 05:52
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Great work on the OP, Brody. As always. 
#2310
Posté 06 janvier 2011 - 06:09
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Around 15 of my friends joined the group last night, after I invited them.
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Posté 06 janvier 2011 - 09:03
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It seems to have worked, Fiery, because our group population went up by over 20 people in 24 hours. ^^
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Posté 06 janvier 2011 - 09:06
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Indeed. I was surprised to see a lot of my friends weren't aware of the group (or were just too lazy to locate it and join). I always assumed they were already in.
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Posté 06 janvier 2011 - 10:10
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Thank you, Fiery! Thanks to you we now have 673 members.
#2314
Posté 06 janvier 2011 - 03:38
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Great job on the OP, Brody!
Well I agree with some of the above posters. I don't really want a quick fix to the friendship/relationship with Ash or Kaidan. But if there is DLC, and they are featured I would really at least like them to talk it out a bit about Horizon and what they've been doing the past two years, etc. I want it to end on a positive note, a good foundation for rebuilding in ME3 whatever time they lost as friends, teammates or lovers.
Well I agree with some of the above posters. I don't really want a quick fix to the friendship/relationship with Ash or Kaidan. But if there is DLC, and they are featured I would really at least like them to talk it out a bit about Horizon and what they've been doing the past two years, etc. I want it to end on a positive note, a good foundation for rebuilding in ME3 whatever time they lost as friends, teammates or lovers.
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Posté 06 janvier 2011 - 10:45
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I agree completely with Badpie. A chance to talk things through with Kaidan and Ashley like two mature adults would be the thing that I want to see most.
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Posté 07 janvier 2011 - 07:54
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I'm glad some of you like the revised OP. ^.^
And our group went up to over 680 people in 1-2 days....that's awesome!
MORE PEOPLE PLEASE JOIN. <3
Has it been announced when the new DLC will come out? I was discussing it with a friend today, and he said he thought it would be out in March. But he couldn't confirm it for sure, he said he might be wrong. I couldn't find anything that hinted DLC would come out in March.
I predict it won't come out until July. But the Terminus armor deal ends in late February, so....thoughts?
And our group went up to over 680 people in 1-2 days....that's awesome!
MORE PEOPLE PLEASE JOIN. <3
Has it been announced when the new DLC will come out? I was discussing it with a friend today, and he said he thought it would be out in March. But he couldn't confirm it for sure, he said he might be wrong. I couldn't find anything that hinted DLC would come out in March.
I predict it won't come out until July. But the Terminus armor deal ends in late February, so....thoughts?
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Posté 08 janvier 2011 - 01:54
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June/July makes the most sense, I agree.
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Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 01:52
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Chignon wrote...
June/July makes the most sense, I agree.
Definately makes sense the half way point for ME3 but I have to agree with some of the comments above too =) I'd love a Kaidan/Ashley DLC maybe let Kaidan/Ashley save Shepard for a change from a mission gone very bad (ok thats me being a hopeless romantic but hey what can you do lol) similar to the stories of Fem Shep/Kaidan on the Fanfiction website they have alot of talking to do to clear the air between them before any romancing can start maybe we can also hear their sides to how they coped with shepards death
but I'm all for a Kaidan/Ashley DLC as my shepard ceratinly missed him, she needs to get rid of the bitter taste left in her mouth from the "reunion" on Horizon lol 
roll on ME3.
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Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 04:42
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I was also thinking about the mid way point release thing too. I'm thinking that Bioware will release one last, LARGE story DLC before ME3 before it all ends. The Virmire Survivor would be in it as well as too not tie up that loose up, but also to explain just how the heck the Reapers intend to re-enter the galaxy within our lifetimes.
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Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 06:32
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Something Reaper oriented would be nice; we don't necessarily need a Cerberus versus Alliance thing going (although that would still be cool). What kind of Reaper story would you want?
#2321
Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 07:24
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I posted this on another forum. They told me to post it here. So I did.
I do want Ashley/Kaidan DLC personally. I always envisioned the Virmire survivor being chose by Hackett and Anderson to lead an Alliance equivalent to the STG. Something with more lee way than a standard Alliance Military squad. Given their experience in tracking down Saren it seems like something that would suit them. Anderson chosing them to investigate the colonist abductions in the Terminus series could lead into such a scenario. Given the success of the original Normandy this squad could have SR-1 class frigate at their disposal.
I would tie the DLC into Balak's terrorist organization. Kaidan/Ashley's new squad could be on a mission to take down Balak, or just his organization if you killed him, something goes wrong and Anderson calls on Shepard for aid. One of Kaidan/Ashley's squad mates would be a double agent for the Shadow broker and he/she sabotages their ship's stealth system. Coincidentally the ship would be named the Alenko if Kaidan is dead and the Williams if Ashley is dead. Side note: If you saved Kate Bowman, she would make an appearance as the engineer of th Virmire Surivior's squad.
Shepard and the SR2 Normandy would aid the sabotaged Alenko/Williams. The first part of the mission would be to perform a clearing operation of the Alenko/Williams. Once the Batarians have been forced from the ship. You join forces with Kaidan/Ashley to infiltrate Balak's/The Terrorist's base of operations.
The second part of the mission would involve you, your two squad mates, and Kaidan/Ashley dropping to the surface in the Alenko/Williams' new IFV the M45 Isurus*. Why not the Hammerhead? The temperature of the world in which the base is on is more than -100 degrees Celsius. The Hammerhead's engine start to freeze at -50 degrees Celsius. The M45 is an experimental and upgraded Mako. It sports improved more powerful kinetic barriers, twin 155mm cannons, and more powerful thrusters. During the second part of the mission you use the M45 to pierce the bases defense which included automated turrets and ill gotten M29 Grizzlies.
After you take down the bases defenses, the third part of the mission would begin. More M29s show up and you squad splits up. Your two squaddies stay in the M45 and hold off the M29s while Shepard and Ashley/Kaidan enter the base and take of the Balak/The Terrorist leader before he can get to his ship and make his escape. Once you kill Balak/The Leader, Ash/Kaidan downloads the data on the bases computer core to an OSD so the Alliances can determine the location of the other terror cells and take them out before they have a chance to relocate.
The Alenko/Williams picks up your squad and the M45. You talk to Ash/Kaidan in the Captains quarters of their ship and you get a chance to catch and possibly rekindle your romance if you've remained loyal to them. I think the quarters of their ship would be more appropriate for the reunion since their ships design and layout will be virtually identical to original Normandy.
Okay, enough of my ramblings. I can't believe I spent all this time typing out a mission for a DLC that as far as I know doesn't exist. I need help guys
*I made this IFV up. Isurus is the genus for the family of sharks that Mako sharks belong to.
I do want Ashley/Kaidan DLC personally. I always envisioned the Virmire survivor being chose by Hackett and Anderson to lead an Alliance equivalent to the STG. Something with more lee way than a standard Alliance Military squad. Given their experience in tracking down Saren it seems like something that would suit them. Anderson chosing them to investigate the colonist abductions in the Terminus series could lead into such a scenario. Given the success of the original Normandy this squad could have SR-1 class frigate at their disposal.
I would tie the DLC into Balak's terrorist organization. Kaidan/Ashley's new squad could be on a mission to take down Balak, or just his organization if you killed him, something goes wrong and Anderson calls on Shepard for aid. One of Kaidan/Ashley's squad mates would be a double agent for the Shadow broker and he/she sabotages their ship's stealth system. Coincidentally the ship would be named the Alenko if Kaidan is dead and the Williams if Ashley is dead. Side note: If you saved Kate Bowman, she would make an appearance as the engineer of th Virmire Surivior's squad.
Shepard and the SR2 Normandy would aid the sabotaged Alenko/Williams. The first part of the mission would be to perform a clearing operation of the Alenko/Williams. Once the Batarians have been forced from the ship. You join forces with Kaidan/Ashley to infiltrate Balak's/The Terrorist's base of operations.
The second part of the mission would involve you, your two squad mates, and Kaidan/Ashley dropping to the surface in the Alenko/Williams' new IFV the M45 Isurus*. Why not the Hammerhead? The temperature of the world in which the base is on is more than -100 degrees Celsius. The Hammerhead's engine start to freeze at -50 degrees Celsius. The M45 is an experimental and upgraded Mako. It sports improved more powerful kinetic barriers, twin 155mm cannons, and more powerful thrusters. During the second part of the mission you use the M45 to pierce the bases defense which included automated turrets and ill gotten M29 Grizzlies.
After you take down the bases defenses, the third part of the mission would begin. More M29s show up and you squad splits up. Your two squaddies stay in the M45 and hold off the M29s while Shepard and Ashley/Kaidan enter the base and take of the Balak/The Terrorist leader before he can get to his ship and make his escape. Once you kill Balak/The Leader, Ash/Kaidan downloads the data on the bases computer core to an OSD so the Alliances can determine the location of the other terror cells and take them out before they have a chance to relocate.
The Alenko/Williams picks up your squad and the M45. You talk to Ash/Kaidan in the Captains quarters of their ship and you get a chance to catch and possibly rekindle your romance if you've remained loyal to them. I think the quarters of their ship would be more appropriate for the reunion since their ships design and layout will be virtually identical to original Normandy.
Okay, enough of my ramblings. I can't believe I spent all this time typing out a mission for a DLC that as far as I know doesn't exist. I need help guys
*I made this IFV up. Isurus is the genus for the family of sharks that Mako sharks belong to.
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Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 07:35
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I would love this:
"An emotional reconciliation with Ashley or Kaidan, which is reflected differently as a romance or friendship. We want a chance to start friendship/romance reparations--just some sort of olive branch for ME3 (like with Liara in LotSB). Also, we would like it salvageable regardless if we blew up/kept the Collector Base."
I've wanted to branch back out to Ashley for a long time now, but don't want to play ME 1 completely again just do it it since I've beaten it 7 times already and don't have it in me to do again. For a chance to be with Ashley instead of Liara, I would love that (since I would play ME 2 again just to make sure I didn't romance anyone else).
"An emotional reconciliation with Ashley or Kaidan, which is reflected differently as a romance or friendship. We want a chance to start friendship/romance reparations--just some sort of olive branch for ME3 (like with Liara in LotSB). Also, we would like it salvageable regardless if we blew up/kept the Collector Base."
I've wanted to branch back out to Ashley for a long time now, but don't want to play ME 1 completely again just do it it since I've beaten it 7 times already and don't have it in me to do again. For a chance to be with Ashley instead of Liara, I would love that (since I would play ME 2 again just to make sure I didn't romance anyone else).
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Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 08:57
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Darc_Requiem wrote...
I would tie the DLC into Balak's terrorist organization. Kaidan/Ashley's new squad could be on a mission to take down Balak, or just his organization if you killed him, something goes wrong and Anderson calls on Shepard for aid. One of Kaidan/Ashley's squad mates would be a double agent for the Shadow broker and he/she sabotages their ship's stealth system. Coincidentally the ship would be named the Alenko if Kaidan is dead and the Williams if Ashley is dead. Side note: If you saved Kate Bowman, she would make an appearance as the engineer of th Virmire Surivior's squad.
Shepard and the SR2 Normandy would aid the sabotaged Alenko/Williams. The first part of the mission would be to perform a clearing operation of the Alenko/Williams. Once the Batarians have been forced from the ship. You join forces with Kaidan/Ashley to infiltrate Balak's/The Terrorist's base of operations.
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*I made this IFV up. Isurus is the genus for the family of sharks that Mako sharks belong to.
I like the name of the Isurus. ^.^ It's cool, and a cool idea for a new vehicle. I didn't like when the Hammerhead would freeze up. <_<
I do think this idea is cool. There's been a lot of talk about bringing back Balak, or somebody affiliated with him, and not just in this thread. Of course, depending on if he was killed or not in BDTS, there would need to be several situations. If he's killed, then there's no Kate Bowman. But it could be somebody related to him. If he survived, he could be directly involved, and Kate could definitely be the engineer.
The one issue I would have with this idea though, is the Shadow Broker agent. But that's because I've played Lair of the Shadow Broker, and I won't spoil it for anybody who hasn't played it.
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Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 09:41
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I'd be interested in Balak but not as a main source for an expansion. 1) Not everyone bought Bring Down the Sky and 2) Seems kind of small in the grand scheme of things what with the Reapers making their push to destroy everything.
I'd love for the dlc to be Alliance focused. Dammit I really want the chance to make nice with the Alliance again. Poo to Cerberus! I want a chance to say that!
- I am loyal to the Alliance.
POO TO CERBERUS! - ( -- ) - I did what I had to do.
- Cerberus did more than you.
I'd love for the dlc to be Alliance focused. Dammit I really want the chance to make nice with the Alliance again. Poo to Cerberus! I want a chance to say that!
- I am loyal to the Alliance.
POO TO CERBERUS! - ( -- ) - I did what I had to do.
- Cerberus did more than you.
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Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 10:05
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Badpie wrote...
I'd be interested in Balak but not as a main source for an expansion. 1) Not everyone bought Bring Down the Sky and 2) Seems kind of small in the grand scheme of things what with the Reapers making their push to destroy everything.
I'd love for the dlc to be Alliance focused. Dammit I really want the chance to make nice with the Alliance again. Poo to Cerberus! I want a chance to say that!
- I am loyal to the Alliance.
POO TO CERBERUS! - ( -- ) - I did what I had to do.
- Cerberus did more than you.
In my scenario If you didn't play BDTS. Balak would be alive. Kate Bowman and Terra Nova would be dead. I imported a save into ME2 that I hadn't played BDTS on by accident and that's exactly how the news reports in ME2 treated the situation.
