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[MuteSpeech]

Now dont get me wrong, i love her character, she's saved my Shep when he was in a pinch time and time again, but; i never understood why Kasumi is recruiteable.  With almost every other character you can recruit, there is a reason to it.

Garrus - a.k.a. Archangel, singlehandedly fought off three different merc groups in Omega, so his skills in combat would be a great asset.
Grunt - A pureblood, perfect Krogan developed by Okeer. Krogans as a whole are great in combat, and to have one that is pure krogan and was made for combat? Sure you have to 'hatch' him first...
Miranda - Cerberus operative, right-hand of TIM. She's there to watch over the mission as well as serve Shepard on his/her mission.
Zaeed - A mercernary hired to fight for Shepard. He's a combat veteran so his knowledge of various battlegrounds and that he helped create the Blue Suns merc. group are assests to his knowledge and ability.
Jack - A superpowered biotic creation of a rogue cerberus experiment with psychotic and destructive rage. No doubt she'd be good in a fight if she wasn't going to possibly kill you in the process.
Legion - Legion, 1183 geth programs operatiing inside a single mobile platform. Forget that it's a freakin' GETH that you can recruit, its got great sniping skills and is capable of hacking into enemy cybernetics. This is of course if you keep them and don't send them to Cerberus.
Tali - A former teammate alongside garrus (or not if you neglected to get him in ME1) and has extensive knowledge of computers, engineering, machinery, and other sorts of tech. if not for combat then her knoweldge of tech is reason to recruit her.
Samara/Morinth - A powerful asari justicar/ardat-yakshi. Like Jack they're both powerful biotics, so they add a bit of a mix to combat.
Jacob - Another Cerberus operative. He follows your commands, is a decent biotic and soldier, and works to make sure the team's weapons are in top condition.
Mordin - Salarian scientist/ex-STG member. Extensive experience in combat and work on genophage will prove useful for helping to take down the Collectors. Also useful for developing countermeasure for the Collector Seeker swarms stasis fields.
Thane - A drell assassin, with skills in stealth and silent killing, so he's useful in combat.

So far we've got mercernaries, assassins, soldiers, an ex soldier/scientist, biotics, and engineers. Kasumi is a thief, through and through. Hell, even in the game she herself comments on how there's no need for a thief on a ship. In combat she can use shadow strike, and yeah thats all fine and dandy if it works, but i can't get past how she was put down as someone to recruit. What purpose does she serve to help destroy the collectors, because she's also an expert hacker? Iuno, but I'm gonna call that a loose stretch on a reason for her dossier to be added to the list of people. Why would you want to use a human for a hacker when you have a functioning AI (and eventually a freaking GETH (yes i am a legion fan, bias is showing i know)) that can perform hacking skills at an arguably better efficiency?

[MonkeyKaboom]

Because its a video game and she's a fun and entertaining character....

[Kacynski]

Did you see how she takes out the shields of Hock's gunship?
At this point I always ask myself, why she needs Shepards help at all ... someone doing such a stunt for sure doesn't need any help to get rid of a few hired guns.

Beside that, in the beginning no one knows what the events will bring and what kind of skillset will come handy in the end. TIM just knows that Shepard will have to go against the collectors. And he suspects they have a base hidden behind the Omega-4 relay. In my mind it makes perfect sense not only to bring combat/biotic/tech specialists but also someone who knows something about sneeking in and sneeking out. What if the collector base is too heavily defended for an outright assault? For sure in such a case a thief would come handy to sneek in and open the back door.
As the mission turned out to be, there was no special need for a thief (although Kasumi's skills come handy in the vents), but that doesn't mean there could not have been a situation where a thief was direly needed.

Modifié par Kacynski, 25 août 2010 - 08:32 .

[OniGanon]

What are you new to RPGs or something? Never go adventuring without a Thief!

[Mr_Raider]

The best sub machine gun in the game.

[KendallX23]

always wanted a theif in a sf...makes things more fun...

[OBakaSama]

I sort of see MuteSpeech's point, but I'd phrased it differently. Ignoring gameplay and focusing on plot or story, I think it's difficult to see what Kasumi's motivation would be, especially as a thief.



As a tech expert, which she is I think, then at that stage of the game where you get her dossier then it's plausible, since you don't have Tali or Legion yet (though maybe Garrus?). Even so, I can't see her personal motivation.



Still a good squadmate though.

[Hobosapien]

I like her observations about the crew and events. Her recruitment makes sense in the going into the unknown, we may have to break into the base via backdoors. As DLC we already now the outcome, but still a nice addition.

[MrnDvlDg161]

I personally think its because she's a DLC add-on and therefore didn't need too much in terms of justification for being there....simply because if you didn't want to pay to put her in your game, you didn't have to.

I for one didn't neither her or that Zheed guy.  The orginal set they came up with was suffient enough, it was turning into a crowded bus at one point anyway.

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 25 août 2010 - 01:41 .

[trucoolbrees]

 Let's see, your trying to infiltrate an alien vessel, now who would make a good infiltrator hmmm, I KNOW!!!! the best thief in the galaxy. And as far as her motivation..., well the extinction of  all life seems like a good enough reason to help.

[PrinceLionheart]

No different than Zaeed really. She's in it for the money. That and she's shown to be one of the greatest human hackers. Having another tech expert certainly isn't a bad thing, especially considering Legion was completely optional.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 25 août 2010 - 03:00 .

[Panthro90]

Flash Bang to neuter the Harbinger.

[Pacifien]

As for Kasumi's motivation in joining the mission, I think she's really joining Shepard. If you ask her how she knew it was you, she mentions noticing a certain aura about you as well as mentioning she's a fan. Something about what Shepard does seems to appeal to her, but beyond that, we're never really given any indication how that translates into her caring about the abduction of colonists and a potential suicide mission. Looking at why others joined:

1. Garrus - Assuming you recruit him in ME1, he is very loyal to Shepard. Even if you didn't recruit him in ME1, he seems to admire Shepard's reputation and really has nowhere else to go.
2. Grunt - He was born without motivation, without purpose. Shepard promises to provide him with both.
3. Jack - In a sense, she also has no place else to go. She also has the best opportunity she's going to get to learn more about Cerberus. Once you do her loyalty mission, she then becomes loyal to Shepard.
4. Jacob - Well, he signed up for the mission from the start.
5. Legion - He is aware that the Collectors work for the Reapers. He opposes the Old Machines.
6. Miranda - Well, again, signed up from the start.
7. Mordin - After the plague on Omega, the Collectors seem to have his attention. And when you have Mordin's attention, beware. Probably really enjoyed the thought of a challenge as well.
8. Samara - She mentions relishing the challenge, but what gets lost in her conversations afterwards is that she's actually gone up against the Collectors before. She saved a ship of slaves that were to be used in trade with the Collectors. I wish the writers had concentrated on this bit of information.
9. Tali - She's loyal to Shepard. That's it, actually. I'm not sure she would have joined the mission otherwise.
10. Thane - He's dying and looks for that one last mission as his penance.
11. Zaeed - As iffy as Kasumi's, honestly. He's well paid for what he's told is a suicide mission. Then again, he's been on a lot of supposed suicide missions. I get the impression he doesn't fathom the full weight of the threat until you get further into it, based on his comment after you learn that the Protheans became the Collectors. Way above his pay grade, but he'll see the job through once he's paid.

So back to Kasumi. She doesn't have a history with Shepard. She doesn't have experience with the Collectors. Going up against the Collectors doesn't seem like it would appeal to a thief. She doesn't do what she does for the money, but for the love of it. Shepard isn't even integral to her planned heist with Hock, though seeing as how it turned out, probably a good thing Shepard was there.

So I'm left with my original thought, that she joined simply because Shepard intrigued her. Really, if you don't pick up Wrex at first in ME1, he gives similar reasons for wanting to join Shepard in the hunt for Saren. Then again, he's a krogan battlemaster, not a thief.

But why would the Illusive Man want to hire a thief? Well, she has incredibly impressive tech skills, supposedly the best. Keep in mind, she's recruited before you're even given the dossier on Tali. (Ignoring the fact the game was originally planned with all dossiers being available at first.) So without Tali on the squad, Shepard needs a tech who can handle herself in a fight.

But even considering Tali, both she and Kasumi have distinctly different tech skills. Tali is an engineer. She can get any ship running smoothly. The fact she's good at hacking geth probably has everything to do with the fact that the quarians built them, know them. But she's not a computer hacker. Kasumi, however, has to be in order to infiltrate past several security systems. By providing you with Tali and Kasumi, the Illusive Man is giving you two different types of techs for whatever situation should arise.

Now, Legion turns out to also be an elite tech, but Legion was never a part of the Illusive Man's plans. In fact, both he and Grunt are the only two squadmates that Shepard recruits outside of the Illusive Man's influence.

And yes, in spite of their different tech skills, turns out all the techs were used for the exact same role in the suicide mission. Still, I like to think the Illusive Man was trying to provide you with as many different skilled professionals as possible.

[MuteSpeech]

Kacynski wrote...

Did you see how she takes out the shields of Hock's gunship?
At
this point I always ask myself, why she needs Shepards help at all ...
someone doing such a stunt for sure doesn't need any help to get rid of
a few hired guns.

Beside that, in the beginning no one knows
what the events will bring and what kind of skillset will come handy in
the end. TIM just knows that Shepard will have to go against the
collectors. And he suspects they have a base hidden behind the Omega-4
relay. In my mind it makes perfect sense not only to bring
combat/biotic/tech specialists but also someone who knows something
about sneeking in and sneeking out. What if the collector base is too
heavily defended for an outright assault? For sure in such a case a
thief would come handy to sneek in and open the back door.
As the
mission turned out to be, there was no special need for a thief
(although Kasumi's skills come handy in the vents), but that doesn't
mean there could not have been a situation where a thief was direly
needed.

I can argue that Kasumi needed Shepard to help her take out Hock's hired troops, as well as distract him while she ran to take out his airship's shields, then finish it off.

And yeah, a thief would make for a good unit to use in infiltrating, I'll concede that, but Thane fills that role better in my opinion, and the game proves that in that when you recruit him he's crawling around the ducts in the Dantius Towers, and later remarks about how easy it'd be to break into the Citadel when you talk to him at the security checkpoint.

OniGanon wrote...



What are you new to RPGs or something? Never go adventuring without a Thief!

Never liked playing with a thief myself. Personal bias against them I'd suppose. I don't deny their usefulness, but I've never needed one.

Mr_Raider wrote...

The best sub machine gun in the game.

You've got me there.

[OniGanon]

But... but... all the best loot chests are always locked, or the rooms to them are locked, the best armour in the game needs to be stolen from bosses, you need to level Thief to unlock Ninja so you can dual wield, you need Thief levels to put points in UMD so you can wear Monk robes and use Clerical scrolls etc...

And... hell, once a decade or so an RPG comes out with traps that actually kill you.

Modifié par OniGanon, 25 août 2010 - 03:58 .

[Pacifien]

I want my techs to be able to set up traps in ME3.

[JaegerBane]

MuteSpeech wrote...

Kasumi is a thief, through and through. Hell, even in the game she herself comments on how there's no need for a thief on a ship.

Technically she's a thief and a master hacker. You've picked her up for the same reasons why you brought Tali on board.

Plus you needed her to comment on the precision awesomeness that is the M-12 Locust. If you'd brought Legion along he'd have been 'Shepard-commander, that firearm has a power level of over 9000! System overload!- BANG' and he'd explode due to the raw awesomeness.

And then you wouldn't have anyone to hack the doors on the station and you'd DIE.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 25 août 2010 - 05:40 .

[Pacifien]

Can't believe I forgot about the Locust. Sure, you don't know anything about it before you're already on Kasumi's heist, but it's reason enough.

[LuxDragon]

Personally, I think Kasumi is a step removed from assassin. Instead of taking lives though, she takes shiny, pretty things.

[CroGamer002]

Pacifien wrote...

As for Kasumi's motivation in joining the mission, I think she's really joining Shepard. If you ask her how she knew it was you, she mentions noticing a certain aura about you as well as mentioning she's a fan. Something about what Shepard does seems to appeal to her, but beyond that, we're never really given any indication how that translates into her caring about the abduction of colonists and a potential suicide mission. Looking at why others joined:

1. Garrus - Assuming you recruit him in ME1, he is very loyal to Shepard. Even if you didn't recruit him in ME1, he seems to admire Shepard's reputation and really has nowhere else to go.
2. Grunt - He was born without motivation, without purpose. Shepard promises to provide him with both.
3. Jack - In a sense, she also has no place else to go. She also has the best opportunity she's going to get to learn more about Cerberus. Once you do her loyalty mission, she then becomes loyal to Shepard.
4. Jacob - Well, he signed up for the mission from the start.
5. Legion - He is aware that the Collectors work for the Reapers. He opposes the Old Machines.
6. Miranda - Well, again, signed up from the start.
7. Mordin - After the plague on Omega, the Collectors seem to have his attention. And when you have Mordin's attention, beware. Probably really enjoyed the thought of a challenge as well.
8. Samara - She mentions relishing the challenge, but what gets lost in her conversations afterwards is that she's actually gone up against the Collectors before. She saved a ship of slaves that were to be used in trade with the Collectors. I wish the writers had concentrated on this bit of information.
9. Tali - She's loyal to Shepard. That's it, actually. I'm not sure she would have joined the mission otherwise.
10. Thane - He's dying and looks for that one last mission as his penance.
11. Zaeed - As iffy as Kasumi's, honestly. He's well paid for what he's told is a suicide mission. Then again, he's been on a lot of supposed suicide missions. I get the impression he doesn't fathom the full weight of the threat until you get further into it, based on his comment after you learn that the Protheans became the Collectors. Way above his pay grade, but he'll see the job through once he's paid.

So back to Kasumi. She doesn't have a history with Shepard. She doesn't have experience with the Collectors. Going up against the Collectors doesn't seem like it would appeal to a thief. She doesn't do what she does for the money, but for the love of it. Shepard isn't even integral to her planned heist with Hock, though seeing as how it turned out, probably a good thing Shepard was there.

So I'm left with my original thought, that she joined simply because Shepard intrigued her. Really, if you don't pick up Wrex at first in ME1, he gives similar reasons for wanting to join Shepard in the hunt for Saren. Then again, he's a krogan battlemaster, not a thief.

But why would the Illusive Man want to hire a thief? Well, she has incredibly impressive tech skills, supposedly the best. Keep in mind, she's recruited before you're even given the dossier on Tali. (Ignoring the fact the game was originally planned with all dossiers being available at first.) So without Tali on the squad, Shepard needs a tech who can handle herself in a fight.

But even considering Tali, both she and Kasumi have distinctly different tech skills. Tali is an engineer. She can get any ship running smoothly. The fact she's good at hacking geth probably has everything to do with the fact that the quarians built them, know them. But she's not a computer hacker. Kasumi, however, has to be in order to infiltrate past several security systems. By providing you with Tali and Kasumi, the Illusive Man is giving you two different types of techs for whatever situation should arise.

Now, Legion turns out to also be an elite tech, but Legion was never a part of the Illusive Man's plans. In fact, both he and Grunt are the only two squadmates that Shepard recruits outside of the Illusive Man's influence.

And yes, in spite of their different tech skills, turns out all the techs were used for the exact same role in the suicide mission. Still, I like to think the Illusive Man was trying to provide you with as many different skilled professionals as possible.

This.

[Siansonea]

When I first saw Kasumi, my first thought was "Oh, it's Tali 2.0". I think Kasumi was an attempt to create a human character with Tali-like appeal, but make her more human in appearance. Of course, Kasumi is at a disadvantage compared to Tali, since she has a visible face. You either like it or you don't, you can't imagine your own idea of a perfect face under a semi-opaque helmet.

[Gust4v]

Money.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kasumi SCREAMS ventilation shaft assignment.

[PsyrenY]

Kacynski wrote...

At this point I always ask myself, why she needs Shepards help at all ... someone doing such a stunt for sure doesn't need any help to get rid of a few hired guns.

Hock knew it was her the minute she and Shep arrived. His holographic head says as much in the vault. She needed Shep's help for the heist.

[HBC Dresden]

To OP: because Shep and TIM didn't know what would be past the Omega-4 Relay, so they need their based covered among soldiers, techs, biotics, sneaking, etc.