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[Alodar]

Very positive article from GDN.

A major change in Dragon Age 2 is the ability tree. Now instead of a single ability tree there’s a structure of multiple trees. So you are never locked out of getting a ability and you now don’t need to have a long line of abilities you’ll never use. They’ve also implemented ability upgrades so for example if you have one you really like and use a lot, you can give it a boost a couple times to make it even stronger and bigger. This will better allow you to customize the character to your gameplay style and desires.

Leveling up and attributes are still there in the same form as in DA but are applied a bit faster which is part of the new implementation of this ability tree structure.

Plus, each ally in your party has specific skills and so you can give control of a situation over to them and let them handle it in their own special way via these dialogs.

They say 20-30 hours, or more if you do some side content,and stated it’s "Mass Effect 2 length."

Full article can be found at GamesCom 2010 - Part 6 - Dragon Age 2



A further quotation from the author, found in the comments section, regarding his enjoyment of the demo:

Dragon Age 2 is one of my GDN GamesCom 2010 Top Three. I am extremely positive about it and there is nothing negative in this article aside from the plastic, stiff skin of the character models. And even that has come a long way from what we have seen in many other games.

Alodar 

Modifié par Alodar, 25 août 2010 - 07:09 .

[Arlana Tabris]

Thank you.

[Spawny]

Thanks for that and the link

The only down side for me in that article is that DA2 is indeed shorter...bugger!

[Behindyounow]

I finished DA in around 20-30 hours anyway. I didn't bother with the crappy "collect ten bear asses' sidequests. I killed Gaxkang and that was about it as far as sidequests went.

[wowpwnslol]

How is this positive? The skill tree is what Diablo 2 had 10 years ago and they are only implementing it now? The game is 20-30 hours long? Excellent. Apparently catering to people who cried original was too long.

[jazzy B 3]

"...but there are still stalwarts of RPGs, like abilitiies, attributes and crafting of items for those diehard RPG fans"



That doesn't sound very positive to me. It sounds like they want to get rid of us...



I have the feeling that this guy doesn't like RPGs, which is ridiculous.

[Shepard Lives]

Nice. Sucks that it will be that short, but it seems it will have good replayability. Not to mention I always seem to take more than what most people take to finish an RPG... Hope the graphics will be polished for release (I'm pretty sure they will).

[kingjezza]

How is that 3rd point in any way a positive? *baffled*



It's just about the worst news that could come out about the game. So when they said it was longer than Awakening, they meant by a few hours, great.

[Shepard Lives]

jazzy B 3 wrote...

That doesn't sound very positive to me. It sounds like they want to get rid of us...

I have the feeling that this guy doesn't like RPGs, which is ridiculous.

In the immortal words of the Warden: isn't that a little paranoid?
And anyway, you are unhappy because they kept crafting and whatnot. You would have been unhappy if they had removed it. How in the world is Bioware supposed to please you guys? 

Old school RPG fans. Jeez.

[Alodar]

kingjezza wrote...

How is that 3rd point in any way a positive? *baffled*

I said the article was positive -- which it was.

I never said that all the things mentioned in the article would appeal to you.


It would be good to remember that, as with all times given for games, your mileage may vary. 
The length of a game is one of the tougher things to pin down. Somone earlier said the finished DAO in 20-30 hours, my playthroughs usually clock in at about 90 hours.

From the quotation it sounds like 20-30 is the main quest, but it is longer if you do side quests. Some people might finish it in 15 hours -- some might finish it in 45 hours. As stated your mileage may vary.

Alodar

Modifié par Alodar, 25 août 2010 - 01:31 .

[wowpwnslol]

My last Dragon Age playthrough was almost 40 hours. I skipped 90% of conversation and ignored a large amount of "boring" quests. With reading dialogue and doing all quests the first time I had it at around 70. Some people reported close to 100 hours on first playthrough, but I bet they read codecs also (I didn't)



20-30 hours for the main quest is a disgrace. Always knew EA would ruin an excellent franchise. Game is looking short and rushed.

[Nerevar-as]

ME2 lenght? That´s 40 hours at best. And let´s hope it is not with the same structure.

How is that positive? Origins was 60. And I didn´t feel I was half the time walking around as in other games. Don´t get why they copy from ME in arreas where ME sould copy from DA.

[Andat]

kingjezza wrote...

How is that 3rd point in any way a positive? *baffled*

It's just about the worst news that could come out about the game. So when they said it was longer than Awakening, they meant by a few hours, great.

Are you talking about being able to give NPCs control of a conversation?  Or the length (which is actually point #4)?  

If you're talking about the length then I agree that it's the worst news to come out about the game - but it's pretty much standard game length these days.  Sad, but true.

[wowpwnslol]

Andat wrote...

 

If you're talking about the length then I agree that it's the worst news to come out about the game - but it's pretty much standard game length these days.  Sad, but true.

Except Bioware broke the trend with Dragon Age and was widely praised for it. People clocked 250+ hours in Dragon Age, that's how good it was.

Why are they doing this crappy 20-30 hour game now? Easy. Preassure from EA, who is eager to milk successful franchise, nevermind that it will turn to garbage. It's same crap again and again. Latest victim was Command and Conquer series.

[jazzy B 3]

shepard_lives wrote...

jazzy B 3 wrote...

That doesn't sound very positive to me. It sounds like they want to get rid of us...

I have the feeling that this guy doesn't like RPGs, which is ridiculous.

In the immortal words of the Warden: isn't that a little paranoid?
And
anyway, you are unhappy because they kept crafting and whatnot. You
would have been unhappy if they had removed it. How in the world is
Bioware supposed to please you guys? 

Old school RPG fans. Jeez.

What I dislike is the the tone he uses, implying that the RPG fans are merely being apeased as opposed to being at least a part of the central focus of Bioware.  I'm not disappointed that the game will be short, well I am, but I understand why and I'm actually looking forwards to the voiced protagonist.  It was the tone of disdain towards RPG players that annoyed me.  It sounds like he wants an action game.

Edit: Sorry, complete and utter miss-quote.

Edit again: What I am complaining about is the reviewer, not the product.

Modifié par jazzy B 3, 25 août 2010 - 01:44 .

[Dynamomark]

Alodar wrote...

They say 20-30 hours, or more if you do some side content,and stated it’s "Mass Effect 2 length."

Mass Effect 2 took me 70 hours on highest difficulty with all the DLC...

[Maferath]

20-30 hours sounds very short (my first Origins playthrough was like 90 hours,though I took my times reading the codex entries).



Hopefully the game will have great re-playability value.

[WilliamShatner]

What the hell? DA:O took me 70 hours. ME2 took me 32. We're getting less than half the game of DA:O?

[kingjezza]

Andat wrote...

kingjezza wrote...

How is that 3rd point in any way a positive? *baffled*

It's just about the worst news that could come out about the game. So when they said it was longer than Awakening, they meant by a few hours, great.

Are you talking about being able to give NPCs control of a conversation?  Or the length (which is actually point #4)?  

If you're talking about the length then I agree that it's the worst news to come out about the game - but it's pretty much standard game length these days.  Sad, but true.

Yes sorry I was talking about the last point, the length.

I got 40 hours out of ME2 and half of that was planet scanning, compared to 100+ I got on my first Dragon age playthough, I still clock 65 hours now on Dragon Age when playing.

[SelphieSK]

Well, that explains the short development cycle...

[WilliamShatner]

Why does no one use CITIZEN KANE at the prime example of this narrative framework? Instead they use mediocre movies like THE USUAL SUSPECTS and THE PRINCESS BRIDE. Plebs.

[Alodar]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Why does no one use CITIZEN KANE at the prime example of this narrative framework? Instead they use mediocre movies like THE USUAL SUSPECTS and THE PRINCESS BRIDE. Plebs.

If you wish you can name your Hawke "Rosebud" -- and then he could slay  darkspawn.


Alodar

Modifié par Alodar, 25 août 2010 - 01:53 .

[Shepard Lives]

Well, my first DAO run took me over 70 hours (I did a fair amount of the sidequests), and my first ME2 run around 45 (I was very scrupulous with the squadmembers). I think, at least on first playthrough, that I will clock around 50 hours. Of course this is speculation, but my voodoo usually turns out to be right.

[valleyman88]

DA:O was unusually long for a game. 'Mass Effect length' , which was about 40 hours for me, is more than enough for a quality game.



I'm more concerned about replayability and quality than length of one playthrough.

[Dynamomark]

I wonder if it will be longer than awakening. The latter took me 33 hours.

Modifié par Dynamomark, 25 août 2010 - 01:55 .