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[errant_knight]

DA:O was over 100 hours for a lot of people, myself included. Assuming that the reviewer isn't one of those who could play it in 40 or so, DA2 has less than half the content--and let's not forget that DA2 is more 'cinematic'. That means some of that will be eaten up with scenes you just watch. But didn't everyone expect that when they found out it was going to have a voiced protagonist. and from the minimization of dialogue in the DLC/expansion?

[Merci357]

dark-lauron wrote...

20-30 hours? Is this a joke? Origins was supposed to be 80 and I completed it in 25!
Heh... an expansion length game... marvelous... (for me)

How did you do that, Origins in 25? - that's almost the time it took me for Awakening... No side/companion quests, no codex entry, no DLC? Honestly, I can't imagine how (or why) people rush games so much. Sure, if I'd do a playthrough now, I'd be much faster then in my first one... But it's still way longer then 25 hours.

The article mentioned it's comparable to ME2 - since I've got about 40 hours out of that one, sounds okay.

[In Exile]

obnoxiousgas wrote...

... Well, I'm glad to see that no-one here's overreacting or anything. I'm slightly put off that the estimated game length's 20-30 hours, since DA:O was estimated something like 80 hours and my longest playthrough was about 60 (with most averaging out at about 40) hours, but that still puts it as longer than most games being released right now. I'm still going to get my money's worth out of it, even if it's to a lesser extent than Origins.

DAO was not estimated to be 80 hours. Where are people getting this figure from? Bioware never estimates the length of their own games, and only speaks about variable experiences, speed runs by QA, etc.

[SDNcN]

In Exile wrote...

This is what David Gaider said on the old forums:

This is not to say that DA is going to be short, by any means. The
focus is on content, for sure. All I'm saying is that if your
expectations run to thinking that the amount of content in BG2 is or
should be the norm that you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
BG2 is fine and all (I reserve a warm little place in my black, black
heart for it, as well) but even had we the capability I'm not sure we'd
want to make a game as long again. I'm sure y'all appreciated the effort
that went into it, but even as we were doing it we recognized that it
was excessively indulgent.

The post then go on about how BG2 was 80 hours, and DA will never be 80 hours, maybe 50-60hrs if we are lucky.

Yet here people are, talking about their 80 hour playthroughs, and how they will never see those again.

You have other claims by posters like:

My only hope is that DAO is longer than ME. I'm not going to lie, I
miss the long and epic games like BG2. Everything seemed alive. Your
companions talked to one another, argued, spoke to you on topic about
what was going on, discussed how they felt about you and what you were
doing, etc. throughout...

So I would refraim from making judgements before we actually get more feedback on the game closer to release.

This is worth quoting even though people are going to ignore it and continue to act as if the sky was falling.

[Alodar]

Sago_mulch wrote...

Biowear buys out all it's reviewers, its the only way they get such positive reviews. either that or reviewers don't know the word review and simply put the word ''praise'' in its place.

Sago_mulch 

Kordaris wrote...

Never trust game reviewers-most of them are associated with the producers in some way.

I knew I should have never let my subcription to Conspiracies, Rackets, Affiliations, and Zany Yarns (C.R.A.Z.Y.) run out.




Alodar

Modifié par Alodar, 25 août 2010 - 03:29 .

[basbaker]

I guess I differ from most people who have played these games. I played BG, BG2, ME, ME2, DA:O + Awakenings and I don't think I ever bothered to keep track of how long it took me to do it. Only in the case of Awakenings did I think that the game felt unfinished and not really worth the time it took to play it. For the other games I've listed, I just enjoyed them - most of them I enjoyed immensely. I played them multiple times with a variety of characters.



I plan to do the same with DA2, whether it takes me 25 hours or 50 each go. As long as I have fun with a quality game, I'm happy.

[Ponce de Leon]

Merci357 wrote...
How did you do that, Origins in 25? - that's almost the time it took me for Awakening... No side/companion quests, no codex entry, no DLC? Honestly, I can't imagine how (or why) people rush games so much. Sure, if I'd do a playthrough now, I'd be much faster then in my first one... But it's still way longer then 25 hours.

The article mentioned it's comparable to ME2 - since I've got about 40 hours out of that one, sounds okay.

I did 25 in my first run... didn't do all the things... still, a run right now might take me even less on normal difficulty, around 27-28 on Nightmare (100% completed of course)... I don't rush it. I just play it at my pace. Awakening lasted its 12 hours, which is quite a lot for me. Was very satisfied  

[Sago_mulch]

Alodar wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

Biowear buys out all it's reviewers, its the only way they get such positive reviews. either that or reviewers don't know the word review and simply put the word ''praise'' in its place.

Sago_mulch 

Kordaris wrote...

Never trust game reviewers-most of them are associated with the producers in some way.

I knew I should have never let my subcription to Conspiracies, Rackets, Affiliations, and Zany Yarns (C.R.A.Z.Y.) run out.




Alodar

I heard dragonage 2 has over 200 endings...

Sago_mulch

[obnoxiousgas]

In Exile wrote...

obnoxiousgas wrote...

... Well, I'm glad to see that no-one here's overreacting or anything. I'm slightly put off that the estimated game length's 20-30 hours, since DA:O was estimated something like 80 hours and my longest playthrough was about 60 (with most averaging out at about 40) hours, but that still puts it as longer than most games being released right now. I'm still going to get my money's worth out of it, even if it's to a lesser extent than Origins.

DAO was not estimated to be 80 hours. Where are people getting this figure from? Bioware never estimates the length of their own games, and only speaks about variable experiences, speed runs by QA, etc.

Sorry, I could have sworn I read that somewhere before. It might just have been that one source got it wrong, and that spread by word of mouth before it got corrected. Or I could be going mad. Either's a possibility. 

[Akka le Vil]

They cut the game's length in half and you say it's "positive" ? Hello ?

[scootermcgaffin]

You'd think that everyone posting their DA:O completion time and all of them being different--from 25 to 100+ would mean that maybe we shouldn't pay too much attention to estimates on length.

[DragonRageGT]

"They say 20-30 hours or more if you do some side content and stated it’s "Mass Effect 2 length." From an action gamer standpoint we were told the game should be easier to get into but there are still stalwarts of RPGs, like abilitiies, attributes and crafting of items for those diehard RPG fans."

It's about time we handle a burial service for Bioware because that company is dead. It's no more than a Electronic Arts branch now and that's saying something.

Oh, I could finish DA:O in 10 hours if I wished. Just play it on EASY. But I only play it on Nightmare, doing all that can be done, even skipping dialogues and codex reading but taking the time to craft zillion poisons or potions to sell and buy 100% of all those expensive items, without exploiting glitches or the trade bug, of course, all my 20+ runs went around 80-100 hours.

Yep, that's average 1900 hours I have with the game and I still play it, still taking my time with it, after a break to play other stuff like a new run with Gothic 1 and 2, The Witcher, some 8 round in Impossible diff Dead Space after 1 in Hard to unlock it, a F1 season with GP4 modded to 2007 season with full distance races and lots of Warcraft3 FFA matches.

Now, All Gothics plus Risen, plus Witcher are 50+ hours each and after many runs through them, they are still special to play. DA:O has something about it that makes it even more special for me. I can't get enough of it because I always find a way to make things a little different, be whatever it may be.

These "very positive article" has ruined any chance that DA2 had, for me. Epic 20-30 hours? Are you fraking kidding me? I'd rather take my chances with The Witcher 2 and LotR Online which is going FREE-0f-charge in near future.

Namarië, Bioware, you will always be remembered.

God frak EA as much as it has frakked all great companies they have touched their hands and led them to the cemitery.

Modifié par RageGT, 25 août 2010 - 03:46 .

[DPB]

I suppose by that logic Bioware must have been 'dead' when they released JE too.

[DragonRageGT]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

You'd think that everyone posting their DA:O completion time and all of them being different--from 25 to 100+ would mean that maybe we shouldn't pay too much attention to estimates on length.

Oh, playing it on Easy is very fast, no doubt. I wish the amazing elite gamers that finish it in 25 hours on Easy would try that on Nightmare, without 1 injury, with 100% game completion each run.

[scootermcgaffin]

Yes, I understand, Rage. You're very awesome. The most awesome Dragon Ager that has ever Dragon Aged.

[bambooxfox]

I'm happy DA:O occupied so many of my hours since I really enjoy the story, but some parts of the main quests just felt tedious (Deep Roads and Fade, I'm looking at you) and gave me serious combat fatigue. I'd rather have smaller, more compact "dungeon" areas that can get me to the next plot point efficiently. Boom, done, move onto the next one, rather than dragging it out with fight after uninteresting fight.

DA2 being "shorter" isn't a concern to me as long as it's still quality work. It generally takes me twice as long to finish a DAO playthrough than a ME playthrough; doesn't mean I have twice as much fun with DAO compared to ME. And hey, Jade Empire is pretty short as well but it's still a great game. Of course, YMMV.

[DragonRageGT]

dbankier wrote...

I suppose by that logic Bioware must have been 'dead' when they released JE too.

What's JE? Was it in development before EA took over?

[Alodar]

Akka le Vil wrote...

They cut the game's length in half and you say it's "positive" ? Hello ?

The tone of the article is positive -- hence postive, the adjective, describes the noun article.



Alodar 

[DPB]

RageGT wrote...

dbankier wrote...

I suppose by that logic Bioware must have been 'dead' when they released JE too.

What's JE? Was it in development before EA took over?

Jade Empire, released over two years before EA took over.

[wowpwnslol]

RageGT wrote...


Oh, playing it on Easy is very fast, no doubt. I wish the amazing elite gamers that finish it in 25 hours on Easy would try that on Nightmare, without 1 injury, with 100% game completion each run.

I've done it solo on nightmare in 40 hours. The game isn't difficult at all.

[GameBoyish]

I believe in Bioware! You guys can do it! Encouraging optimism!!!

[mbeckham]

"This was used in films like Usual Suspects where you had people talking about past events and when something major was about to happen you would see the whole scene play out."

I can see it now.
Hawke and Varrick in a bar.

Varrick: So, you met this bad of Rogues Mercenaries and Bandits in Sgt. Keylon's dungeon.

Hawke: Yes.

Varrick: But that wasn't the last you saw of them.

Hawke No, we were each contacted by a mysterious Arl known as (looks at the mug on the table behind Varrick) the Frisky Horny Nug.

Varrick: Isn't that the name of the Bar we're in?

Modifié par mbeckham, 25 août 2010 - 04:31 .

[the_one_54321]

Akka le Vil wrote...
They cut the game's length in half and you say it's "positive" ? Hello ?

This mirors my opinion. Except that it's not half. It's more like a fraction. Maybe down to a third, or a forth. Someone above mentiont that they finished DA:O in 30 hours. Then you'll probably finish DA][ in 15 hours. Congrats.

[Tinxa]

errant_knight wrote...

DA:O was over 100 hours for a lot of people, myself included. Assuming that the reviewer isn't one of those who could play it in 40 or so, DA2 has less than half the content--and let's not forget that DA2 is more 'cinematic'. That means some of that will be eaten up with scenes you just watch. But didn't everyone expect that when they found out it was going to have a voiced protagonist. and from the minimization of dialogue in the DLC/expansion?

It took me a 100 hours for DAO and about 50 for ME2 so for me that means that DA2 will be about half the length  but I guess that's the price to pay for a voiced PC.

I blame all the people who went "My char looks weird when everyone is speaking and the PC is staring at them silently. I want a voice for my char. It would be really easy to implement, they could make a toggle and make it so we could choose from multiple voices"  

[nhsk]

I've been against voiced PC as well, meh. Not only is it probable that it cuts down on the length, but probably one of the reasons we are forced on Hawke as well.



But whatev', not going to buy DA2 on release anymore now - Btw not really keeping track of played time as well whoever mentioned that, but as DA:O save files tell you how many hours you spent.