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RageGT wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

But you keep talking about them as if we care about them.

We don't.

Mostly we just think it's kind of sad.

edit: but, it doesn't even matter what we think. If you don't think it's going to be a game you'll enjoy, then don't buy it. It is literally that simple.


No, I keep talking about them as if I don't care what othes think. As for you "we don't, we just think", did anyone appointed you the "porta-voz" of the community? Do you speak for all of them? Who's "we"?

Dude, oppinion is like ****. Everybody has one.


...and no-one wants yours.

Isn't that how the rest of the saying goes?

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Andat wrote...

...and no-one wants yours.

Isn't that how the rest of the saying goes?


Then you're welcome to block me and perhaps join the request for the forum to start working past its beta stage and finally let us not read any message or post from those we have blocked!


scootermcgaffin wrote...

edit: but, it doesn't even matter what we think. If you don't think it's going to be a game you'll enjoy, then don't buy it. It is literally that simple.


Wow, thank you. I'm a blind man and you'll the one that will lead me through the desert.

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I agree on some points and disagree on others. But to point out the obviousness of how bad this is, look at this in a positive light rather than the negative; EA allows people to continue to make their games as part of their EA Partnership. Indie developers can get their games out through it, and maybe get a start where they haven't gotten it before with EA. EA while having a bad reputation, is not the worst there is. EA will never be the worst there is; they came up from the bottom and are making amends at a slow pace to the gaming community as a whole.

Whereas if BioWare had been bought out by Activision, there would be no BioWare; there would be no DA3 if it did not sell well. They would try to cash**** BioWare with facebook, or twitter, try to tie them in with facebook casual games for the sales, they would ONLY care about the sales. Sales are a decently large part, but not all there is to it with EA. Sales does matter; but it is not the only thing that matters. At least BioWare is being given control over their games. SOE, NCsoft, and Activision are the worst; would you rather SOE get into your game and control it's development by people who aren't developers?

Would your ather NCsoft nix your game because it did not reach proported sales numbers as normally predicted, and axe a game that had potential, or ruin it wholly? Would you rather have Activision tear down the Gaming Industry itself by striking at one of the premier RPG developers first, then move on elsewhere? I am happy that EA bought out BioWare. If EA had not, Activision or Sega, or another company that only looks at sales or casual gaming market, then this would be a lot worse than it is.

EA is a lesser evil in this case; sure it isn't the best corporation of video game companies that allow art to takes its form. But do not think they are always about SALES SALES SALES CASUAL GAMES SALES because they aren't.

/end rant.


Based on what you argued, I'm willing to try and look for a positive light indeed. There are a few games by EA that I enjoy a lot and a few others that might have been very good games if not for EA pushing the release date, like Ultima 9, or had been patched properly, like BfmE 1, 2 and expansion.

Can't say much about those other publishers you mentioned as I don't have much experience with their games, except for one Activision game that is one of the best games ever, imho. Interstate '76! Such a shame I can't get it to run on win7, Dx 11, etc. =)

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I am disappointed that I only have 20-30 hours to smother Hawke in Nutella. Other than that, the article seems nice.

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- Songlian - wrote...

I am disappointed that I only have 20-30 hours to smother Hawke in Nutella. Other than that, the article seems nice.


Better stock up and maybe warm it up a little for ease of application.

30ish hours was pretty much exactly what I was expecting when they announced the voiced PC. 

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Too short.

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Anyone saying DA:O took them 50+ hours to finish is either flat out lieing or spent a lot of time not really doing much of anything. My first playthrough (this always takes the longest) doing just about everything took 40 hours at the most.




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30 hours is great, i don't understand why some guys are moaning about it. My first gameplay (without skipping any dialogue but not doing any sidequests) was around 40-50 hours. But Origins had to tell you the background you have, how you got into the grey wardens, what are the grey wardens...And some bits of the game were really LONG (deep roads and fade) and it was a pain in the ass to finish them on my 4th playthrough.



DA2 can be played at least twice (as a warrior/rogue and mage or as a female/male) so i am not afraid. I am positive ^^

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@the guy who has played 1,900 hours of Dragon Age.



Seriously, mate? That's 80 days. That's ridiculous. You could have accomplished so much more in that time. I honestly can't believe you.

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Wolverfrog wrote...

@the guy who has played 1,900 hours of Dragon Age.

Seriously, mate? That's 80 days. That's ridiculous. You could have accomplished so much more in that time. I honestly can't believe you.


He meant in Dragon Age hours. Hah!

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Oh, thank GOD. I was terrified he meant real hours then.

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EDIT: LOL at the filter censoring your forum name! Sometimes it gets it right!

Spin****e wrote...

Anyone saying DA:O took them 50+ hours to finish is either flat out lieing or spent a lot of time not really doing much of anything. My first playthrough (this always takes the longest) doing just about everything took 40 hours at the most.


See, that's what I'm talking about. "Flat out lying"?  "Spent a lot of time not really doing much of anything"?

What if I had said that "All players finishing the game in 40 hours or less are lame noobs that are not up to the challenge of playing in difficulties higher than Easy or Normal and cannot reach max level 25 at the end"?

That's not what I think, really, but someone who cannot finish Origins with a character higher than level 21 like you, Spin****e, (at last someone who has data uploaded so it can be confronted with what they say) in whatever difficulty you are playing really should not try to judge what other people who cannot finisht it UNDER level 25 say.

I understand that console versions may be slightly easier than the PC version, that not all players have all DLC's that extend the main game, that they do not take their time to acquire all top elite items, from stores or loot rewards, and mount a party camp with extreme powerful members, even if they're not to accompany them into battle, that do not take the time to prepare for battles so that they suffer no injury at all, including backtracking in some area to have main PC advancing solo because otherwise it will be an automatic injury due to the area script that will make him sleep and be dead when only 1 party member wakes up, that they do not keep randomly travelling around the map to see if there is any more "random" encounter that they may have not triggered yet, that they do not go for all the companions' personal quests.

But that hardly makes one less of a rp'er than the other.

And then they go comment on my videos, "What place is that?" "I've finished many times and never saw that" "How do you get there?" "What items are those?" "How do you get them"?. I kindly answer each and everyone of them. there are of course many different types of comments and my videos are mostly about the funny stuff in the game, like the prison break combos which put some of us to stitches or the faces of the militia when Bella keeps kissing all and any heros of Redcliffe, which some point out as the best scene of the game and show how amazing a Bioware game can be.

See, the time stamp in the story of the uploaded chars can show you that we're not lying and we hardly spent the extra time doing nothing. Just like yours show that you don't have a char who finished Origins over level 21 and 31 in Awakening, which shows, at the very least, that you rushed through the game and missed a bunch of scenes, places, interactions, quests and possibly some fun too. It's there for any who bother to check it out.

Wolverfrog wrote...

@the guy who has played 1,900 hours of Dragon Age.

Seriously, mate? That's 80 days. That's ridiculous. You could have accomplished so much more in that time. I honestly can't believe you.


Yep, that's about 75 days alright, in a game I play since day 1 and I'm still finding new stuff, different ways to run through it. Note that it was just and estimation someone did when I said I have over 20 full runs with the game at an average 90 hours each.

And as for what I do with my time, well, the rest of it when I'm not playing games or what I have accomplished, you have no idea.

To keep it with games only, have you evern reached level 50 in Diablo 1, legitimately with no dupped items? (heck, me neither, Reached level 47 and it would take me another 2 years to reach 50 with the exponential increase in level gap),  Have you ever been #1 Hardcore Ladder Diablo2 in any of the battle.net server, Have you got a record of over 1000 matches in Starcraft/Brood War or Warcraft 3?  Have you got a pair of character with over 500 hours each in Oblivion or Morrowind? have you played Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 to exhaustion with many different chars/classes/races? Have you played NWN for some 5 years online putting a lot of hours into it everyday, enough to learn a bit of another language that you actually have no use for it besides gaming perhaps, like Sindarin Elvish?

And you want to judge me because I say I did all that? I guaranteed you that I've also have done many other things not related to gaming during all that, and accomplished many things not related to gaming either. But at least I can claim that I know about the games I play very well, well enough to be critic about changes in a company's philosophy like Bioware.

Oh, and I do have a life with real friends, perhaps not as many as I have in the record here at BSN, but why people saying all that b/s to me, every one of them, have zero friends here being registered for so long? Or 1-3 at the most? Go get some and spare me the who cares b/s. If you don't, don't bother reading. If you did, thanks for your patience.

Modifié par RageGT, 26 août 2010 - 03:11 .


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Spin****e wrote...

Anyone saying DA:O took them 50+ hours to finish is either flat out lieing or spent a lot of time not really doing much of anything. My first playthrough (this always takes the longest) doing just about everything took 40 hours at the most.


You must have missed a lot of sidequests, or didn't bother talking to everyone or didn't look at the codex and quest logs much. My last DA:O playthrough (granted with most DLC) took me over 90 hours, on PC, and I didn't leave the game paused for more than 2-3 hours in total at the very most. Feel free to look.

 First complete game was around 80 hours (just basic DA:O). 

ME2 took me around twice the reported length first time through, so if DA2 is at least the same length, that's plenty as far as I'm concerned.

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 26 août 2010 - 03:47 .


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Seriously, how the heck do you people manage to take that long to finish a playthrough? My normal is around 25 hours, and my longest I think might have broken 30... and that's listening to conversations without skipping and doing a good number of side quests. Maybe it's because I don't do every single side quest, but at a certain point they just feel pointless.



If DA2 is the length of ME2, and it's quality, both main and side quests, then it shouldn't matter.

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I would say it might be platform dependent, as the console versions tend to play quicker. Or it could be as simple as how fast someone reads and whatnot.

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on nightmare on my 360 i completed the game and all dlc while ending up at just a fraction away from level 24 at the end.



took about 50 hours, longest I have ever taken, and about 2-3 hours were afk moments

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to be fair my first playthrough on normal took 60 hours and I didnt have dlc or do all quests.



perhaps playing through it multiple times one can complete it MUCH more quickly than they originally could

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Practice makes perfect. Knowing the dungeon layouts and what to do and what not to do can shave off your time considerably.



Hell because of this my 100% run of Dragon Age (Do all quests, talk to everyone, go everywhere) was shorter than my first playthrough.

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The only negative I see in that is the game's length. I expect RPGs to be longer than that. But if the story can play out in as many ways as they say then it will hold up well to repeat plays(I'll play a second time as a female and third and fourth plays to use the classes any way). Some of you guys can twist anything into something negative.

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Spin****e wrote...

Anyone saying DA:O took them 50+ hours to finish is either flat out lieing or spent a lot of time not really doing much of anything. My first playthrough (this always takes the longest) doing just about everything took 40 hours at the most.


Whereas I'd say anybody who says they did everything and took 40 hours is flat out lying. Sorry no way did you come anywhere near doing all the side quests. I've played through DAO 4 times and no play through has taken me less than 70 hours.

I'm a bit disappointed in the reported length but hopefully thats just the main quest and with a fully voiced character it was bound to be shorter. 

Modifié par Morroian, 26 août 2010 - 05:23 .


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ofcourse its only 20 or 30 hours.Sell half the game then load up on dlc and tell everybody look how long it takes with all this dlc 60 to 70 hours but ofcourse by then youve paid 100 to 120 dollars for the same content you had in origins for half the price,oh well another game published by $ea$ that i wont buy to bad i was hoping for a sequal not a $60 expansion with a different character.

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If they say it's 20-30 hours it's probably more like 10-15.

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Lots and lots of moaning about DA2 being half as long as DA:O (~ME2 length)


Why is *anyone* surprised by this ? David practically spelled out this very point when they released DA:O and people were bi***ing about the non-voiced PC. He said that voicing the PC would probably mean half the content.

People *STILL* were demanding a voiced PC. Well BW delivered. Congratulations.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 26 août 2010 - 06:32 .


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It's going to take me 1 hour.



I'm that hardcore.

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simfamSP wrote...

Well 20-40 hours is just about right. I have adapted a rule that a game is worth £1 an hour. Aslong as DA 2 has LOTS of replay ability then I have guessing over 100 hours of gameplay. That's a game worth £100!


I am not paying 100+ Ozzy dollars for it. :devil:  The game might also ends up with 10 hrs. of cutscenes. :o

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Amyntas wrote...

If they say it's 20-30 hours it's probably more like 10-15.


Bioware is about the only company that's honest about play times though. They said 20-25 hours for ME2 and it took me 27 hours. They said 70 hours for DAO and my first playthrough was 78 or 79.