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[MDarwin]

Spin****e wrote...

Anyone saying DA:O took them 50+ hours to finish is either flat out lieing or spent a lot of time not really doing much of anything. My first playthrough (this always takes the longest) doing just about everything took 40 hours at the most.

PowerGamer? Even now it takes me 55-65 hrs.on "Normal" setting. Maybe I am just to     ?

[scootermcgaffin]

GreenSoda wrote...

Lots and lots of moaning about DA2 being half as long as DA:O (~ME2 length)

Why is *anyone* surprised by this ? David practically spelled out this very point when they released DA:O and people were bi***ing about the non-voiced PC. He said that voicing the PC would probably mean half the content.

People *STILL* were demanding a voiced PC. Well BW delivered. Congratulations.

And now they're whining about there being a voiced PC. 

Modifié par scootermcgaffin, 26 août 2010 - 09:09 .

[Arrtis]

Alodar wrote...


Very positive article from GDN.

A major change in Dragon Age 2 is the ability tree. Now instead of a single ability tree there’s a structure of multiple trees. So you are never locked out of getting a ability and you now don’t need to have a long line of abilities you’ll never use. They’ve also implemented ability upgrades so for example if you have one you really like and use a lot, you can give it a boost a couple times to make it even stronger and bigger. This will better allow you to customize the character to your gameplay style and desires.

Leveling up and attributes are still there in the same form as in DA but are applied a bit faster which is part of the new implementation of this ability tree structure.

Plus, each ally in your party has specific skills and so you can give control of a situation over to them and let them handle it in their own special way via these dialogs.

They say 20-30 hours, or more if you do some side content,and stated it’s "Mass Effect 2 length."

Full article can be found at GamesCom 2010 - Part 6 - Dragon Age 2



A further quotation from the author, found in the comments section, regarding his enjoyment of the demo:

Dragon Age 2 is one of my GDN GamesCom 2010 Top Three. I am extremely positive about it and there is nothing negative in this article aside from the plastic, stiff skin of the character models. And even that has come a long way from what we have seen in many other games.

Alodar 

Sounds interesting would love to play a demo to be sure.

[Altima Darkspells]

What people fail to realize is that that's the *developer* estimation, which is, almost without exception, inflated.



So when they say 30-40 hours, what they mean is 15-25. For the first playthrough.



And probably ten for subsequent playthroughs.



Which is fine, because, when compared to Origins, DA2 looks like its replayability will be crap.

[Andat]

RageGT wrote...

EDIT: LOL at the filter censoring your forum name! Sometimes it gets it right!

Spin****e wrote...

Anyone saying DA:O took them 50+ hours to finish is either flat out lieing or spent a lot of time not really doing much of anything. My first playthrough (this always takes the longest) doing just about everything took 40 hours at the most.

See, that's what I'm talking about. "Flat out lying"?  "Spent a lot of time not really doing much of anything"?

Ok, gotta go with Rage on that one point - your mileage will always vary, but then the whole sub-thread is kinda moot.

[Arrtis]

DA2 sounds like a lot of fun...replay might be good if the combat is enjoyable....and there are many choices...and not 3....

[Daryn Mercio]

Behindyounow wrote...

I finished DA in around 20-30 hours anyway. I didn't bother with the crappy "collect ten bear asses' sidequests. I killed Gaxkang and that was about it as far as sidequests went.

I did every single quest except Jowans after you free him and I could get through Origins in about 35 hours on Nightmare 3rd time through with all DLC except RtO and after that. I just hope 30 hours isn't overexaggerated like the 80-100 hours they said Origins would be and it actually takes me 10-15 hours...

[Roid Rage]

IIRC, Bioware estimated 60-80 hours for a first playthrough of DA:O.

MIileage will definitely vary, but a 20-30 hours estimate fron Bioware themselves surely does not bode well for DA:2.

Modifié par Roid Rage, 26 août 2010 - 09:38 .

[HighMoon]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Which is fine, because, when compared to Origins, DA2 looks like its replayability will be crap.

How can you say that when we have barely seen anything of the game and your decisions were described as being "more reactive" and of more impact than they were in DAO?

[Flamesz]

My first playthrough was basically only a couple side quests and just the main quest and i got to around 30 + hours, somewhere in the 30's.



Then i did a playthough with lot's of side quests and i got to around 50 something hours. I have absolutely no idea how people even got to 70 hours in the game or more in one playthrough, seriously.

[Daryn Mercio]

honestly, if DA2 is better than Origins in almost every regard, length won't matter much.I really hope they estimate based off of how they estimated Awakenings, as it seemed very accurate to me. They said 15 hours, I fail to get anything but 13-20 hours whenever I played it. 24 hours when I was obsessed on one playthrough to do Velannas quest (took me nearly 6 hours of on-off play to initiate it!)

[DragonRageGT]

Daryn Mercio wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

I finished DA in around 20-30 hours anyway. I didn't bother with the crappy "collect ten bear asses' sidequests. I killed Gaxkang and that was about it as far as sidequests went.

I did every single quest except Jowans after you free him and I could get through Origins in about 35 hours on Nightmare 3rd time through with all DLC except RtO and after that. I just hope 30 hours isn't overexaggerated like the 80-100 hours they said Origins would be and it actually takes me 10-15 hours...

Somehow I'm noticing that most or all you fast runners are playing on the console, either XBox or PS3. Perhaps there are some significant changes on the PC? I've also notice that most have finished it around lvl 20-22 while on the PC, most people finished around 22-24 with some maniacs like me that go for the 25 without exploits.

Because I recall an old thread about how long we took to finish DA and the great majority of players who posted there said around 80-100 hours. Prolly all of them on the PC. My fastest run, pushing as hard as I could to make it faster just to take my fav char to Awakening asap, but still going for 100% completion (it actually always say 97% only unless I play a Rogue) is 58 hours.

PS.: After seeing all these pictures, which I'm removing the tags so copy and paste if you wish, I can't help but wonder what would Dragon Age 2 gamescon notes compared to these. This is too cool, like H.T. said.

hangmans tree wrote...

Ok, sorry for what I'm about to post but its too cool not too
Press kit notes from TW2 gamescom 2010:

http://www.witchersi...s/stories/1.jpg
http://www.witchersi...s/stories/2.jpg
http://www.witchersi...s/stories/3.jpg
http://www.witchersi...s/stories/4.jpg
http://www.witchersi...s/stories/5.jpg
http://www.witchersi...s/stories/6.jpg
http://www.witchersi...s/stories/7.jpg
http://www.witchersi...s/stories/8.jpg
http://www.witchersi...s/stories/9.jpg


And latest info: after first few SPEEDRUNS TW2 is compared in lenght to TW1 - devs were surprised themselves, as they thought they made a shorter game ;D
after TW2 forums:

Brand new info here!
Blooddragon said, that first The Witcher 2 speedruns showed, that gameplay will be longer than then expect.
Nice to hear that news

Modifié par RageGT, 26 août 2010 - 10:51 .

[SDNcN]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Which is fine, because, when compared to Origins, DA2 looks like its replayability will be crap.

How can you say that when we have barely seen anything of the game and your decisions were described as being "more reactive" and of more impact than they were in DAO?

Different backgrounds and races that barely impact the game > Actions that have more pronounced effect on the in-game world?

Yeah, I don't get it either.

[Biotic Budah]

Yesterday X-Play called it a revamp of the franchise. DAO was RPG of the year in many circles and also did quite well financially. Mos folks I talk to wonder why they would change a good thing. The bottom line is they based the changes on what we posted here. I've already talked about what happens when you go mucking with characters looks or who's not gonna be in the game. The thing that worries me the most is that they say DAO wraps up it's story line with the Morrigan DLC. I hope they are looking to surprise us. It would be a shame never to hear from our warden again.



I am very excited about the graphics and the rich environs. Just so long as I don't have to see Rendon Howes portrait in every area I visit that has a building it's an improvement!

[Hulk Hsieh]

I don't mind 30 hrs of gameplay time as long as it is good.

However, 30hrs time and 10yrs span don't quite add up.

ME2 is fine because things happen in short time, but that doesn't apply to DA2.

[kaimanaMM]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

I don't mind 30 hrs of gameplay time as long as it is good.
However, 30hrs time and 10yrs span don't quite add up.
ME2 is fine because things happen in short time, but that doesn't apply to DA2.

That's what I said way back on page 2.

10 years into 30 hours does not compute.  Unless it's drop into a mission, kill some darkspawn, fade to black.

In 30 hours we're supposed to rise to power, by any means necessary and then shape the world around us with our decisions over a ten year time span.  I'm very interested in how BW will accomplish that in 30 hours and give it meaning, making us feel as if we really did have an impact on the world.

[Hulk Hsieh]

kaimanaMM wrote...
That's what I said way back on page 2.

10 years into 30 hours does not compute.  Unless it's drop into a mission, kill some darkspawn, fade to black.

In 30 hours we're supposed to rise to power, by any means necessary and then shape the world around us with our decisions over a ten year time span.  I'm very interested in how BW will accomplish that in 30 hours and give it meaning, making us feel as if we really did have an impact on the world.

And don't forget there will be "two versions of a same scene" because of the unreliable storyteller.
It will take extra time and further lessen the time to tell the mainline story..

[Arrtis]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

I don't mind 30 hrs of gameplay time as long as it is good.
However, 30hrs time and 10yrs span don't quite add up.
ME2 is fine because things happen in short time, but that doesn't apply to DA2.

That's what I said way back on page 2.

10 years into 30 hours does not compute.  Unless it's drop into a mission, kill some darkspawn, fade to black.

In 30 hours we're supposed to rise to power, by any means necessary and then shape the world around us with our decisions over a ten year time span.  I'm very interested in how BW will accomplish that in 30 hours and give it meaning, making us feel as if we really did have an impact on the world.

COnfirmed somewhere that darkspawna re only at the beginning.

[Schuback]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

I don't mind 30 hrs of gameplay time as long as it is good.
However, 30hrs time and 10yrs span don't quite add up.
ME2 is fine because things happen in short time, but that doesn't apply to DA2.

That's what I said way back on page 2.

10 years into 30 hours does not compute.  Unless it's drop into a mission, kill some darkspawn, fade to black.

In 30 hours we're supposed to rise to power, by any means necessary and then shape the world around us with our decisions over a ten year time span.  I'm very interested in how BW will accomplish that in 30 hours and give it meaning, making us feel as if we really did have an impact on the world.

Maybe 30 hours excluding conversations?? And sidequests?

[Kyenne]

Hmm, for some reason I'd got it into my head that Origins playthroughs were taking me upwards of 60 hours, on average, so the estimated 20-30 hours was a big disappointment to me. However, I've just looked at the "time played" on my post-campaign saves -- around 40 hours, all of them, and that's playing on Hard (on PC if you really think it makes a difference) and doing most sidequests (I skip a few, but only a couple of hours' worth), including DLC content like Shale and Soldier's Peak. So 30 hours, plus sidequests, doesn't sound nearly as bad as I thought it did -- in fact I bet Origins would only take me slightly longer if I skipped all the sidequests.



People who spend 80-100 hours on Origins, I doubt the 20-30 hours figure is aimed at people with your playstyles. I imagine you'll spend a LOT longer on the game than that.

[Ponce de Leon]

RageGT wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

You'd think that everyone posting their DA:O completion time and all of them being different--from 25 to 100+ would mean that maybe we shouldn't pay too much attention to estimates on length.

Oh, playing it on Easy is very fast, no doubt. I wish the amazing elite gamers that finish it in 25 hours on Easy would try that on Nightmare, without 1 injury, with 100% game completion each run.

*points at Peach Aeducan*
Nightmare, no injuries, 100% completed, no dialogues or cutscenes skipped. 28 hours, give or take. <_<
OF COURSE, I'd never dare go against you, which basically thought me how to kill the high dragon (some very many more months before I got you on meh friend list, oh great master )

[Dynamomark]

dark-lauron wrote...
*points at Peach Aeducan*
Nightmare, no injuries, 100% completed, no dialogues or cutscenes skipped. 28 hours, give or take. <_<

No walkthrough either?

[Collider]

A lot of the reason why Dragon Age was "long" was because of the combat.

Modifié par Collider, 26 août 2010 - 12:56 .

[SDNcN]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

kaimanaMM wrote...
That's what I said way back on page 2.

10 years into 30 hours does not compute.  Unless it's drop into a mission, kill some darkspawn, fade to black.

In 30 hours we're supposed to rise to power, by any means necessary and then shape the world around us with our decisions over a ten year time span.  I'm very interested in how BW will accomplish that in 30 hours and give it meaning, making us feel as if we really did have an impact on the world.

And don't forget there will be "two versions of a same scene" because of the unreliable storyteller.
It will take extra time and further lessen the time to tell the mainline story..

Mike Laidlaw mentioned that the exaggerated portions of the game are used very sparingly.

[Arrtis]

I am gonna guess maybe 2-3 times.