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[expwnit]

I've been in support of DA2 with every announcement so far, but the 20-30 hour estimate is discouraging. I finished off ME2 in 25 hours, and DAO in 60 average. Even just with the main quests DAO should be maybe 40? I like having longer games because I feel like I'm getting my money's worth. Yeah, quality over length, but 20-30 hours honestly seems rather short.

[Nightwriter]

It's ME2 length? Oh noes.

That's... not very long at all...

[DragonRageGT]

dark-lauron wrote...

*points at Peach Aeducan*
Nightmare, no injuries, 100% completed, no dialogues or cutscenes skipped. 28 hours, give or take. <_<
OF COURSE, I'd never dare go against you, which basically thought me how to kill the high dragon (some very many more months before I got you on meh friend list, oh great master )

Sorry DL, 28 hrs is impossible. At least with the no dialogue or cutscene skipped and 100% of the world explored. What char was that? Lya? She doesn't have all files uploaded. Check again her "Heroic Accomplishments" but note that Ammount of Dragon Age Origins completed:  % considers all characters and playthroughs. It is cumulative and a new char starts with the same % as the other chars. Heck, after all this time I'm still missing some 2% because it says Ammount of Dragon Age Origins completed: 98% for me.

The individual character stats are those in the last 2 lines. World Explored % and Time Played. My fastest run shows 94% and 58 hours.

EDIT: Oh, found Peach's story but it  seems like she killed all in one hit. It doesn't matter if it's Nightmare if you have God Mode on! =P

Modifié par RageGT, 26 août 2010 - 01:52 .

[miltos33]

It is best to reserve judgement until the game is released but a 20-30 hour linear adventure possibly without a toolset doesn't sound like the most replayable game in the market.

[LadyKarrakaz]

To me, this hardly sounds positve. The game lenght is short for the huge role playing game I was hoping for.

[In Exile]

RageGT wrote...
Sorry DL, 28 hrs is impossible. At least with the no dialogue or cutscene skipped and 100% of the world explored. What char was that? Lya? She doesn't have all files uploaded. Check again her "Heroic Accomplishments" but note that Ammount of Dragon Age Origins completed:  % considers all characters and playthroughs. It is cumulative and a new char starts with the same % as the other chars. Heck, after all this time I'm still missing some 2% because it says Ammount of Dragon Age Origins completed: 98% for me.

The individual character stats are those in the last 2 lines. World Explored % and Time Played. My fastest run shows 94% and 58 hours.

EDIT: Oh, found Peach's story but it  seems like she killed all in one hit. It doesn't matter if it's Nightmare if you have God Mode on! =P

You miss the most important point of this entire discussion - that not everyone plays to see 100% of the possible content a game in a playthrough. If someone is giving you an estimate of the content, they are very like not giving you the full on, experience every single detail of the game.

Take ME2. I usually clock ~40 hours on it. If I read every codex entry, listend to every bit of ambient dialogue, read every planet description in detail, strip-mined every planet in the galaxy, I would probably push that up to 60 hrs.

Does that mean ME2 is a 60 hour game? No - it's variable. So I would think that someone like you, who recognizes how atypical your playstyle is, would not put very much stock in what some random game site says, especially when you refuse to believe other players re: their length.

[Vandrayke]

yeah not enthusiastic about the game length, but that's about it. After I'm completely finished with ME2, I'll have sunk like 200 hours into it, between my initial first two playthroughs, my messing around with different characters at different difficulties, and my final two playthroughs after all the DLC is released.

Dragon Age will finish around 300 hours total. But still, 200 hours on one game is A LOT of time spent on one game.

Modifié par Vandrayke, 26 août 2010 - 03:16 .

[Alodar]

Purple Lady wrote...

To me, this hardly sounds positve. The game lenght is short for the huge role playing game I was hoping for.

Positive = adjective
Article = noun

The tone of the article is positive because the previewer enjoyed the Dragon Age Demo (Felt it was one of the top 3 games he played at Gamescon)

How we react to the information in the article is independant of the positive tone of its author.


Alodar

[Heavenblade]

You should see my Final Fantasy XII log. Or my Dragon Quest VIII log.



So many hours...

[MaxQuartiroli]

I am not worried about the lenght.. What really matters to me is not the total amount of the hours but the QUALITY of those hours of gameplay.

If I have to play 60 hours but 10 are just backtracking because I have to come back to locations I already cleaned out just to do a single thing for a small sidequest (i.e. when I had to go back to Circle Tower just to ask Irwin if he would accept Dagna), then I am all for reduce the time of gameplay. I always hated backtracking and I was glad to see that Dragon Age Origins really had few of it.. With Mass Effect 2 I was even more glad to see there wasn't nearly at all backtracking.

Anyway I am now at my 7th playtrough of Origins... Now that I know how to streamline the backtracking and I know every single inch of every area I am going to finish my game in around 40-45 hours. With Mass Effect as long as I know it well too it always took me no more less than 40 hours to finish it... Therefore the difference between the 2 games is not so great

I prefer a game which lasts 40 hours but after 10 times you play it it still last 40 hours, instead of a game which lasts 70 hours the first time you play it but once you figured out how to optimize the order of your actions and once you don't have to waste hours to find an hidden object for a boring sidequest, it lasts the half then...becuase it mean that the first time I spent 20-25 hours doing unnecessary things...

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 26 août 2010 - 03:21 .

[LadyKarrakaz]

Alodar wrote...

Purple Lady wrote...

To me, this hardly sounds positve. The game lenght is short for the huge role playing game I was hoping for.

Positive = adjective
Article = noun

The tone of the article is positive because the previewer enjoyed the Dragon Age Demo (Felt it was one of the top 3 games he played at Gamescon)

How we react to the information in the article is independant of the positive tone of its author.


Alodar

I know this, don't worry. The journalist is unthusiastic about something that would have cut short my enthusiasm. I really need to see a gameplay video now...

The game is short, even though we will replay at least 2 times the sames scenes when the narrator is exaggerating/not exaggerating. This sounds like adding artificial game length, and for that, I'm really worried.

Modifié par Purple Lady, 26 août 2010 - 03:21 .

[the_one_54321]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...
I am not worried about the lenght.. What really matters to me is not the total amount of the hours but the QUALITY of those hours of gameplay.

That's what they all say, but it's not true. In the end, she's talking about it with her girlfriends behind your back.

[Chasington of Locksley]

You're all wrong and I'm right. What? I haven't said anything? Deal with it.

[DaringMoosejaw]

the_one_54321 wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...
I am not worried about the lenght.. What really matters to me is not the total amount of the hours but the QUALITY of those hours of gameplay.

That's what they all say, but it's not true. In the end, she's talking about it with her girlfriends behind your back.

Idiot! That's why you're supposed to keep her chained to the oven.

[DragonRageGT]

In Exile wrote...

You miss the most important point of this entire discussion - that not everyone plays to see 100% of the possible content a game in a playthrough. If someone is giving you an estimate of the content, they are very like not giving you the full on, experience every single detail of the game.

Take ME2. I usually clock ~40 hours on it. If I read every codex entry, listend to every bit of ambient dialogue, read every planet description in detail, strip-mined every planet in the galaxy, I would probably push that up to 60 hrs.

Does that mean ME2 is a 60 hour game? No - it's variable. So I would think that someone like you, who recognizes how atypical your playstyle is, would not put very much stock in what some random game site says, especially when you refuse to believe other players re: their length.

I don't refuse to believe. It was not me who wrote the quote bellow. And I don't read all the Codex or listen to all dialogues in every playthrough. What I said is that most fast runners are on console. Perhaps the game allows it to run faster there somehow. And that combat on NM diff is quite time consuming, while on easier difficulties it goes pretty fast.

Each one plays as they see fit. It makes no difference to me. But I'd suggest you search the forums, if you're interested of course, for those old threads discussing the game length and you'll see that most players then used to spend 60-100 hours in a normal playthrough.

If people don't go for all quests or 98% world explored, it is their business. Just don't say the game is short because you skipped or missed lots of stuff, played on the fastest speed difficulty, etc.

My play style is pretty average and lots of players have about the same length in their playthroughs as I do. My available time to play may be atypical.

Spin****e wrote...

Anyone saying DA:O took them 50+ hours to finish is either flat out lieing or spent a lot of time not really doing much of anything. My first playthrough (this always takes the longest) doing just about everything took 40 hours at the most.

[Ponce de Leon]

RageGT wrote...
Sorry DL, 28 hrs is impossible. At least with the no dialogue or cutscene skipped and 100% of the world explored. What char was that? Lya? She doesn't have all files uploaded. Check again her "Heroic Accomplishments" but note that Ammount of Dragon Age Origins completed:  % considers all characters and playthroughs. It is cumulative and a new char starts with the same % as the other chars. Heck, after all this time I'm still missing some 2% because it says Ammount of Dragon Age Origins completed: 98% for me.

The individual character stats are those in the last 2 lines. World Explored % and Time Played. My fastest run shows 94% and 58 hours.

EDIT: Oh, found Peach's story but it  seems like she killed all in one hit. It doesn't matter if it's Nightmare if you have God Mode on! =P

Everyone in one hit? On the contrary, the max damage she did in Origins was around... 120? 
I tell you, I did everything legit. You can think I lie, or not, depends on your gaming style. I finished the game 9 times now, the longest run being Lya, on a mix between hard and nightmare, 33 hours. My shortest run is a character I don't have here, Nelesea, on Normal, 22 hours. I am usually very storm like when it comes to combat. 

Edit : how interesting... I have amount of DA:O complete at 100% 

Edit 2 : aha! I checked the Traveler achievement checklist and I lied! I didn't go in EVERY area of the game, shamefully. I... forgot about the store in the Alienage. :D:D

Still, did some statistic screenshots of Peach after Origins. If you wish to see it (96% explored areas... do the DLC areas also count?)

Modifié par dark-lauron, 26 août 2010 - 03:50 .

[TheMadCat]

So they have to tell an epic tale spanning ten years of a single characters life in about 25-30 hours. Going to be tough to pull off well. 

[kaimanaMM]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

I am not worried about the lenght.. What really matters to me is not the total amount of the hours but the QUALITY of those hours of gameplay.

*and other good stuff, go read it*

I agree, 100%.  If those hours are quality (ymmv) game play hours, then I will be one happy camper.  Currently, I'm just having a hard time envisioning a game that spans a ten year time frame that not only chronicles Hawke's rise to power but also the decisions / events that Hawke takes part in that shape and change the world taking place in a 20-30 hour time frame.  

Ten years of gathering the deadliest of allies, amassing fame and fortune and sealing my place in history sounds like alot to cram into 30 hours and have it feel like I've experienced an epic, legendary story.

[Akka le Vil]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

I am not worried about the lenght.. What really matters to me is not the total amount of the hours but the QUALITY of those hours of gameplay.

That's the usual, bland and predictable answer.
We ALL prefer a shorter but more interesting game than a longer, boring one. That's pretty obvious.

But the point is : cutting the game's length doesn't imply that the part left will actually be so much better as to compensate.
The point is : nobody plan to make boring game. People plan to make fun game, they just either success or fail at it. On the contrary, they plan to make games short or long. What I see here is simply a raw loss of scale, and certainly not a promise for a better game.

So far, all the informations have hinted at a new consolized direction : interface, game streamlined, more action, no tactical view, less customization, more movie-like approach, shorter content...
I know the game isn't out. I still think that when all information point to the same path, you start to have the right to make a guess...

[MaxQuartiroli]

Akka le Vil wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

I am not worried about the lenght.. What really matters to me is not the total amount of the hours but the QUALITY of those hours of gameplay.

That's the usual, bland and predictable answer.
We ALL prefer a shorter but more interesting game than a longer, boring one. That's pretty obvious.

But the point is : cutting the game's length doesn't imply that the part left will actually be so much better as to compensate.

Yes, but it doesn't imply even the opposite... And I am not trying to guess how the game will be, because I cannot foretell the future.
What I was saying was just that "IF" the cut parts will be the unnecessary ones I will be more than happy.. i.e. No more side quests where you have to deliver 5 letters in 5 differents placesof the world just for 250 xp.. A thing that I liked of Mass Effect was that every side quest started and finished in the same area.. The only exception is Ish quest that in fact I usually avoid because I am not going to come back to Illium just for find his package..
Obviously if the game will be 40 hours the first time I'll play,, and after the first playtrough I'll figured out to finish it in 20 I will be disappointed, but at the moment we haven't enough keys to make any forecast about this element of the game...

[Wulfram]

I'm always astonished people have any sort of idea how long they take to complete games.



However, less stuff for the same amount of money is bad. Though I suppose it will make the DLC look less embarrassingly poor value in comparison

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

ME2 length? What was the average for that game? Anyone?