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[MaaZeus]

termokanden wrote...

Both good points tbh. His actions are not excusable as such, but on the other hand I could imagine worse crimes.

I wouldn't want him to get away with it, but killing him seems a bit harsh.

Yes. Again he didnt betray Garrus because he was vile but because he cracked under pressure. And being a good man at heart he is now paying a terrible price from it. Guilty conscience haunting you is not fun, a good person who knows he screwed up royally cannot necessarily wipe it away easily just like that and move on in his life.

Still, he caused the deaths of 10 good people. He might deserve to die because of it, or he might not. But definetly not in the way Garrus wants, the first degree of murder with lust for blood and revenge is not healthy nor right. This will certainly come back and bite Garrus in the arse, on emotional level if nothing else. So if you are Paragon and want Sidonis dead, neutral is the way to go. Sidonis accepts his death and Garrus after hearing Sidonis's side of story does not seem to be as hateful consumed by lust of blood.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 26 août 2010 - 01:38 .

[OniGanon]

Giving up his squad's lives to save his own ass makes Sidonis a horrible coward by our standards.



But by Turian standards? That makes him a Complete Monster. That he ran and hid afterwords makes him even more horrendously abhorrent.



You might think cracking under the pressure isn't the same as pulling the trigger, but a Turian would disagree, just as both Garrus and Sidonis seem to do.

[MaaZeus]

OniGanon wrote...

Giving up his squad's lives to save his own ass makes Sidonis a horrible coward by our standards.

But by Turian standards? That makes him a Complete Monster. That he ran and hid afterwords makes him even more horrendously abhorrent.

You might think cracking under the pressure isn't the same as pulling the trigger, but a Turian would disagree, just as both Garrus and Sidonis seem to do.

Of course he is responsibly, and in many playthroughs I do get
him killed. But always in the neutral way, with more Just approach. It is the Garrus's mental
stability we are worried about, the way he acts is not quite healthy. Again, a homicide with selfish lust for blood and revenge is not
cool, it might come back and bite Garrus's arse emotionally one day. Or it might not, who knows.

[cihimi]

Personally, I prefer Garrus with his killer instinct at peak. So Sidonis get's a bullet in the head. Solves any problem (obviously Renegade, but whatever). We are on a critical mission and as Mordin would say, "I'am prepared to do what is necessary..." (implications unpleasant) No ****-footing around when Shepard is concerned.



Anyway, the point that kinda annoys me is how your other squadmate gives you that sideways inquiring look just when you're about to go and meet Sidonis. Da**** you lookin' at? A witness to a bloody assasination you can't handle? Get off my lawn!

[termokanden]

OniGanon wrote...

But by Turian standards? That makes him a Complete Monster. That he ran and hid afterwords makes him even more horrendously abhorrent.

You might think cracking under the pressure isn't the same as pulling the trigger, but a Turian would disagree, just as both Garrus and Sidonis seem to do.

Actually I was thinking about this after this whole discussion earlier, but I never got around to writing about it. You are absolutely right about this.

If you read about the Turians, the whole idea of the squad or fighting unit is sacred to them, much more so than it is to humans. That does make Sidonis' betrayal much worse by Turian standards than human standards, and probably enough to kill him.

I'm not a Turian though, and neither is Shepard

Modifié par termokanden, 27 août 2010 - 03:37 .

[khevan]

OniGanon wrote...

Giving up his squad's lives to save his own ass makes Sidonis a horrible coward by our standards.

But by Turian standards? That makes him a Complete Monster. That he ran and hid afterwords makes him even more horrendously abhorrent.

You might think cracking under the pressure isn't the same as pulling the trigger, but a Turian would disagree, just as both Garrus and Sidonis seem to do.

You know, I'd never really considered the fact that Garrus and Sidonis are both turians.  And you're right.  By turian standards, Sidonis' betrayal is considerably worse than if it were a human.  In considering this, I think Garrus killing Sidonis is probably the "right" thing to do, but I still would rather have the "neutral" option, by exploring Sidonis' reasons, and then letting Garrus take the shot.

Garrus is still (in my opinion) just out for blood, and that's not a healthy way of seeking justice for his squad.  By taking the conversation options that extend the scene,  by the end of it, Garrus seems to me to be less consumed by vengeance.  So it works out all the way around.

[vehzeel]

Sidonis isn't a coward, his will to live was only stronger than his loyalty.

[termokanden]

vehzeel wrote...

Sidonis isn't a coward, his will to live was only stronger than his loyalty.

I think he is a coward. If he was only concerned about himself, he would not attempt to turn himself in later.

This shows you he didn't actually want to betray them.