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All I'm seeing in the Alternate Appearance Pack Suggestion Thread is how Samara needs to be "covered up" 
That actually offends me a little... I mean, what, are breasts suddenly so unsightly that they must be covered up at all costs? Yeesh, no wonder ME2's sex scenes were toned down. If Samara's cleavage has offended so many people then Liara's side-boob must've brought these boards to it's knees.

Now, I agree whole-heartedly that Miranda needs Armor, (I myself want her to have the Cerberus Assault Armor in all it's bulky glory!) but what's so wrong with Samara showing some cleavage? 
Samara & Jack can get away with not wearing armor because they're uber biotics.

Personally, I like Samara's default suit, and I think it suits her well. Yes, it shows cleavage, but it's not like anyone has time to stare at it during a firefight. So what's the big deal?

I'm not saying I'd care if she got an Alternate Appearance without cleavage, I'm just wondering why everyone is pushing for it so hard.
Samara just wouldn't look right in armor IMO, even if you're going to cut the cleavage out, at least retain the mystic look of her attire.

Also, to whom it concerns, this was made separate from the Alt Appearance thread to prevent disruption of the topic's purpose. 

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You're right, no need to hide a very well drawn cleavage.



Samara, if you're reading this, keep those blue suns at sight please.

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I personally don't care much either way if it's covered or not. I at first suggested she have something distinctly Justicar (whatever that is) but after seeing a picture of Tali and Grunt in some armor, I really want those, and of course a repaired Legion.



Back to the subject at hand, I don't hate her cleavage, I just some people have the stigma that people can't fight or defend themselves when there's cleavage afoot. I dunno she is a good biotic so her barriers must be good. There's no need to over it up, I just wouldn't mind. If they make a third pack, I do hope it's Mordin, Miranda, and Samara (well only if I get my wish of a Tali, Grunt, and Legion pack).

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I can understand that many asari like to flaunt it, even matrons, but she's a "warrior monk" so it does seem to be a bit out of characters.



But mostly I object because her cleavage is cruel. She has no intention of sleeping with anyone, but there she is out advertising. Of course, many women do this in real life. They tease you to manipulate you but have zero intention of anything happening ever. Of course, guys like this anyway so I guess it is a win-win. But it does seem unworthy of a justicar.

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What do you think when you look at her?



Do you think:



Fanatical follower of a thousand year old code, who completely denies her own identity and desires in the pursuit of higher ideals to atone for bringing monsters into the world.



Is that what her outfit says to you?



To be as crude as possible: Why advertise what isnt for sale?



She is a Justicar, who has sworn off sex, and romance and refuses to entertain the possibility of a relationship, why does she go into a battle with armour designed to show her cleavage? Because all asari must be sexy?



She is supposed to be a Mystic Warrior, not a damn stripper.

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To be perfectly honest, her outfit first and foremost makes me chuckle, because it makes her look like a cross between a strawberry and a comic book superhero. :P

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Samara's chest looks like two balls of blu-tac pinned to a chest. It looks ridiculous, IMHO. Oh, and Chris' points too.

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AntiChri5 wrote...

What do you think when you look at her?



MILF

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AntiChri5 wrote...

What do you think when you look at her?


Obvious breast implants are obvious? :huh:

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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I can understand that many asari like to flaunt it, even matrons, but she's a "warrior monk" so it does seem to be a bit out of characters.

But mostly I object because her cleavage is cruel. She has no intention of sleeping with anyone, but there she is out advertising. Of course, many women do this in real life. They tease you to manipulate you but have zero intention of anything happening ever. Of course, guys like this anyway so I guess it is a win-win. But it does seem unworthy of a justicar.


You're assuming what monk means in this context.  She's an asari not a human.  Even if she were not all human religions have the same values regarding sexuality.  PLUS, in many human cultures, exposed boobs aren't made into an issue.

It's space - when in rome and all that jazz...

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A punishment-dispensing space chick MILF in a dominatrix outfit. It's like someone played fetish roulette.

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Those soft p0rn suits don't suit the game in my opinion. I'd rather see real armor than bare skin.

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I'm not offended by the cleavage as much as by the lack of armor. The cleavage doesn't really help with that.

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I like Samara's outfit. I'm sure among the asari it's not the least bit scandalous. After all, EVERY asari has boobs, it's not like there's any mystique to them. Cleavage just doesn't mean the same thing among asari that it does among humans, since only half of humanity has developed breasts. If all humans had breasts, would our society be so weird about them? I think not.



I'm sure Samara's outfit design has meaning to the Justicar order, perhaps her outfit has that neckline because it leaves her greatest weakness—her heart—exposed, with only a biotic barrier and the skill of the Justicar to count on for safety.



The bottom line is we can't apply human mores to the asari, it's a totally different society. Just because human males get a boner looking at Samara's getup doesn't mean that was ever any part of the intent of the costume. Not to mention the design was probably developed before anyone in Citadel space had even heard that humanity existed.



Of course, that said, we all know that the real reason it was done this way was because it 'looks cool', but I still think my explanation makes sense.

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Siansonea II wrote...

I like Samara's outfit. I'm sure among the asari it's not the least bit scandalous. After all, EVERY asari has boobs, it's not like there's any mystique to them. Cleavage just doesn't mean the same thing among asari that it does among humans, since only half of humanity has developed breasts. If all humans had breasts, would our society be so weird about them? I think not.

I'm sure Samara's outfit design has meaning to the Justicar order, perhaps her outfit has that neckline because it leaves her greatest weakness—her heart—exposed, with only a biotic barrier and the skill of the Justicar to count on for safety.

The bottom line is we can't apply human mores to the asari, it's a totally different society. Just because human males get a boner looking at Samara's getup doesn't mean that was ever any part of the intent of the costume. Not to mention the design was probably developed before anyone in Citadel space had even heard that humanity existed.

Of course, that said, we all know that the real reason it was done this way was because it 'looks cool', but I still think my explanation makes sense.


I think the only thing they should do to her outfit is what they should do to everyone... cover them fully when they are in space.  Only Garrus and Tali understand this concept.

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AntiChri5 wrote...

What do you think when you look at her?

Do you think:

Fanatical follower of a thousand year old code, who completely denies her own identity and desires in the pursuit of higher ideals to atone for bringing monsters into the world.

Is that what her outfit says to you?

To be as crude as possible: Why advertise what isnt for sale?

She is a Justicar, who has sworn off sex, and romance and refuses to entertain the possibility of a relationship, why does she go into a battle with armour designed to show her cleavage? Because all asari must be sexy?

She is supposed to be a Mystic Warrior, not a damn stripper.


Showing Cleavage =/= "I'm open for business!!!"

Breasts =/= Sex

Wardrobe =/= Lifestyle

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NICKjnp wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I like Samara's outfit. I'm sure among the asari it's not the least bit scandalous. After all, EVERY asari has boobs, it's not like there's any mystique to them. Cleavage just doesn't mean the same thing among asari that it does among humans, since only half of humanity has developed breasts. If all humans had breasts, would our society be so weird about them? I think not.

I'm sure Samara's outfit design has meaning to the Justicar order, perhaps her outfit has that neckline because it leaves her greatest weakness—her heart—exposed, with only a biotic barrier and the skill of the Justicar to count on for safety.

The bottom line is we can't apply human mores to the asari, it's a totally different society. Just because human males get a boner looking at Samara's getup doesn't mean that was ever any part of the intent of the costume. Not to mention the design was probably developed before anyone in Citadel space had even heard that humanity existed.

Of course, that said, we all know that the real reason it was done this way was because it 'looks cool', but I still think my explanation makes sense.


I think the only thing they should do to her outfit is what they should do to everyone... cover them fully when they are in space.  Only Garrus and Tali understand this concept.


Completely agree with Sionsonea II.  Having said that I'd also like to know how so many of the squad don't need to be fully covered in space.

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I made a poll about this.



http://social.biowar...996/polls/9947/

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NICKjnp wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I like Samara's outfit. I'm sure among the asari it's not the least bit scandalous. After all, EVERY asari has boobs, it's not like there's any mystique to them. Cleavage just doesn't mean the same thing among asari that it does among humans, since only half of humanity has developed breasts. If all humans had breasts, would our society be so weird about them? I think not.

I'm sure Samara's outfit design has meaning to the Justicar order, perhaps her outfit has that neckline because it leaves her greatest weakness—her heart—exposed, with only a biotic barrier and the skill of the Justicar to count on for safety.

The bottom line is we can't apply human mores to the asari, it's a totally different society. Just because human males get a boner looking at Samara's getup doesn't mean that was ever any part of the intent of the costume. Not to mention the design was probably developed before anyone in Citadel space had even heard that humanity existed.

Of course, that said, we all know that the real reason it was done this way was because it 'looks cool', but I still think my explanation makes sense.


I think the only thing they should do to her outfit is what they should do to everyone... cover them fully when they are in space.  Only Garrus and Tali understand this concept.


I'll buy that. I mean, I get that she's a skilled biotic, but that seems to be pushing it. They should at least make it so that she's got a visible biotic corona when she's in hard vacuum.

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 Come to think of it, I think she uses the suit to channel great power

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@Blk:



Go to Omega.



Have a look at the strippers chests.



Have a look at Samara's chest.



Who shows more of their breasts?

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AntiChri5 wrote...

@Blk:

Go to Omega.

Have a look at the strippers chests.

Have a look at Samara's chest.

Who shows more of their breasts?


If Bioware didn't fear Fox News so much, those strippers would wear alot less...

Go to a REAL Strip Club and have a look at the strippers chests.

Have a look at Samara's chest.

Who shows more of their breasts?

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AntiChri5 wrote...

@Blk:

Go to Omega.

Have a look at the strippers chests.

Have a look at Samara's chest.

Who shows more of their breasts?


Okay... this is where things get a bit complicated and contrived...

1. You could argue that it's the skin-tightness, not the cleavage that the asari view as more sexual.
2. I think it's safe to assume that, just like humans, asari's standards of modesty are just as diverse as ours...  In some countries, women are completely covered head to toe (sigh...) and in others it's normal to be topless.

EDIT: obviously the outfit is deliberately sexualized with respect to the perspective that this game was made in a western country, but within the context of the universe itself, I wouldn't say so.

Modifié par AwesomeName, 25 août 2010 - 04:24 .


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Point: why don't people complain about strippers in the game being half-naked? Because they're strippers, that's what they do, and we like it.



Point 2: Why do people complain about a front-line combatant having the chest piece of her armored suit exposed? Do I need to explain it further or you can figure it out?

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Its not that we would be offended by it.. its just that its simply unrealistic.. look at most if not all games which got females in them.. how come that males tend to have good steady armor while most females might as well fight in a towel or a bikini which is considered to be good armor for them?

Its jut stupid seeing this type of stuff in a game like ME.. its pretty much at the same level as removing guns with unlimited ammo only to replace them with limited ammo weapons.. like wtf?

[edit] Sure she might be a biotic but she would definitely die a lot faster once her shields are down because this red piece of nothing won't stop bullets from killing her..

Modifié par ShadoX_LV, 25 août 2010 - 04:24 .