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[cachx]

AntiChri5 wrote...
What do you think when you look at her?

Holy crap, thats a weird jawline !

As far as the outfit goes, sci-fi version of the chainmail bikini I guess. I don't really mind, but I could live with less "exposed skin on outer space"

[Iakus]

Miramar52 wrote...

For me, Samara’s cleavage doesn’t really bother me. I’ve seen so much cleavage inducing outfits in comics (Powergirl is a perfect example) , video games, and movies that I’ve become immune to such things.
Now is it practical? Not really. But many things in sci-fi suspend our belief anyway so...*shrug*.

That's the problem. Mercs, Shepard, Shepard's squad in ME 1, all wore armor.  It made sense.  Don't just rely on shields, or biotics, put some metal between you and the bullets!  This at least has a nodding aquaintance with reality.

Samara, among several others in Shep's squad are wearing "superhero costumes"  Totally impractical .  Unless asari have impenetrable skin.  But I'm sure that would have been in the codex.

There's suspending disbelief, but at some point you can't but go "Oh come ON!"

[Cris Shepard]

Axe_Gaijin wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

What do you think when you look at her?

MILF

Pretty much sums it all up

[Kavadas]

Cris Shepard wrote...

Axe_Gaijin wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

What do you think when you look at her?

MILF

Pretty much sums it all up

Word.

[MassEffect762]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I can understand that many asari like to flaunt it, even matrons, but she's a "warrior monk" so it does seem to be a bit out of characters.

But mostly I object because her cleavage is cruel. She has no intention of sleeping with anyone, but there she is out advertising. Of course, many women do this in real life. They tease you to manipulate you but have zero intention of anything happening ever. Of course, guys like this anyway so I guess it is a win-win. But it does seem unworthy of a justicar.

^ We agree with something afterall.

[Palathas]

iakus wrote...

That's the problem. Mercs, Shepard, Shepard's squad in ME 1, all wore armor.  It made sense.  Don't just rely on shields, or biotics, put some metal between you and the bullets!  This at least has a nodding aquaintance with reality.

Samara, among several others in Shep's squad are wearing "superhero costumes"  Totally impractical .  Unless asari have impenetrable skin.  But I'm sure that would have been in the codex.

There's suspending disbelief, but at some point you can't but go "Oh come ON!"

I could be wrong but aren't the Shields generated by the armour and the Biotic Barriers by the biotic themselves?

If that's the case the biotic could go totally naked and still be just as protected by their Biotic Barrier.

Game mechanic wise the armour is only good for generating shields and asthetics, the armour itself doesn't do anything extra than cover the wearer as much as clothes do. Unlike in ME 1 where armour actually mitigated damage and formed some sort of protection.

[Heavensrun]

AntiChri5 wrote...

What do you think when you look at her?

Do you think:

Fanatical follower of a thousand year old code, who completely denies her own identity and desires in the pursuit of higher ideals to atone for bringing monsters into the world.

Is that what her outfit says to you?

To be as crude as possible: Why advertise what isnt for sale?

She is a Justicar, who has sworn off sex, and romance and refuses to entertain the possibility of a relationship, why does she go into a battle with armour designed to show her cleavage? Because all asari must be sexy?

She is supposed to be a Mystic Warrior, not a damn stripper.

Why do -you- assume that a mystic warrior from an alien culture would have values and fashion rules even vaguely related to our own?  A mystic warrior woman from some cultures might run around completely topless.  That doesn't mean she's "flaunting what isn't for sale", it just means she comes from a culture where mystic warrior women don't wear shirts.

Why impose -your- standards on a character from a different planet, culture, and -species-?

[MrnDvlDg161]

I like the highlights about Shepard's moral code and women.  lol.

This dude is like a galatic pimp at the end of the day so I'm not surprised his entourage, especially the male shepard to his female compatriots have that estranged  sexualised/innaprorpriate battle armor. I mean the guy can simply turn one switch off and be smooching the next one in a matter of minutes...not to mention the reasons for his couplings are down right hilarious.

Shephard:   Hey there

Li:  Whats up?

Shepard:  You know, I really care about you alot.

Li:  Really --- thats good to know.

Shepard: No.. I mean really care about you....Alot....

Li:  Oh my...  

(  Enter 70's music).


Problem is, your fighting generations of sexualised/innaprorpriate battle armor thanks to all the Fantasy books, comics, n' games.  So blame it on all of those Anime chicks, Female Elves, and the orginal Coanan series for that mess --- its all down hill from here on out.  Red Sonia is the one you need to send a feminist complaint too.

As far as Samara.... the woman is 100 plus years old.  She could wear a thong and tassels at this point and I doubt she could care less.  What are you going to do --- write her up for breaching the  Normandy Dress Code?  She may just Biotic-shock you through a bulk head.

Someone said that Tali was covered... I think not. Sure she may be in a suit but it isn't exactly expressing some angelic modesty either.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Oh yeah that bit --- Whats this about flaunting and for sale? So in other words, the way the female character is dressed is attributed to whether or not a male character has access to whats left for the imagination?



Wow --- I think someone needs to ship a few crates of Salt Peter then to the Normandy chow hall, and a head-start towards the citadel because the Consortium is going to be knee deep in customers.

[AntiChri5]

Heavensrun wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

What do you think when you look at her?

Do you think:

Fanatical follower of a thousand year old code, who completely denies her own identity and desires in the pursuit of higher ideals to atone for bringing monsters into the world.

Is that what her outfit says to you?

To be as crude as possible: Why advertise what isnt for sale?

She is a Justicar, who has sworn off sex, and romance and refuses to entertain the possibility of a relationship, why does she go into a battle with armour designed to show her cleavage? Because all asari must be sexy?

She is supposed to be a Mystic Warrior, not a damn stripper.

Why do -you- assume that a mystic warrior from an alien culture would have values and fashion rules even vaguely related to our own?  A mystic warrior woman from some cultures might run around completely topless.  That doesn't mean she's "flaunting what isn't for sale", it just means she comes from a culture where mystic warrior women don't wear shirts.

Why impose -your- standards on a character from a different planet, culture, and -species-?

Because her outfit is desinged by a member of -my- species born on -my- planet and living in -my- culture.

I can see the reasons behind your argument (even included it as an option in my poll) but it falls apart when you examine the motivations for putting her in that outfit.

Was it to show how she is a dispassionate enforcer of justice, a strange mystical warrior from an alien culture with an ancient code who personifies justice?

Or was it show bewbs?

Which do you seriously think?

I see what you said as a justification, not an explanation.

[Inquisitor Recon]

"Stop whining."

Seriously, nothing wrong with her showing some cleavage.

[Spartas Husky]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...


Wow --- I think someone needs to ship a few crates of Salt Peter then to the Normandy chow hall, and a head-start towards the citadel because the Consortium is going to be knee deep in customers.

\\


hahahahahahahaha salt peter, nice, haven't heard that term in so long

sweet lol


all I know... is that thing didn't work, on half of us at the barracks...

it certainly didn't work, on the 4th of July gathering at base on.... god knows how many pairs in the woods lol.

sigh... good times, good times.

thankes MrnDvlDg161 you just made my day :police:

[Iakus]

Palathas wrote...

I could be wrong but aren't the Shields generated by the armour and the Biotic Barriers by the biotic themselves?

If that's the case the biotic could go totally naked and still be just as protected by their Biotic Barrier.

Game mechanic wise the armour is only good for generating shields and asthetics, the armour itself doesn't do anything extra than cover the wearer as much as clothes do. Unlike in ME 1 where armour actually mitigated damage and formed some sort of protection.

The shields were generated by the armor, at least in ME 1 (Nowadays it seems to be generated by spandex).

The problem is, shields fail, biotic fields collapse.  What then?  Might be a good idea at that point to have some good old fashioned physical barriers in place.

Granted "armor" as such in ME 2 is just a costume, but it feels important to the game's atmosphere.  The Normandy is really just a hub for your character to travel between planets, but it's important that it resembles a ship.  Tuchanka looks like a bombed-out wreck and not like Illium because Tuchanka is, well, a bombed out wreck. 

By the same token, squad members that are going into gunfights should look like they're going into a gunfight.  The science fiction equivalent of a chainmail bikini simply doesn't work for me.

[Estelindis]

To me, it's not the cleavage as such; I'd object equally to the high heeled boots, as I just don't think that either is practical or properly combat-oriented. But at least Samara does wear armour, unlike Jack and Miranda.

[Iakus]

Estelindis wrote...

To me, it's not the cleavage as such; I'd object equally to the high heeled boots, as I just don't think that either is practical or properly combat-oriented. But at least Samara does wear armour, unlike Jack and Miranda.

Very true about the heels.  And about Miranda and Jack too.  Jacob and Thane are a little light on armor too for that matter.

Is Samara actually wearing armor?  Aside from what look like armor plates around the shoulders, it looks to me like it's just a unitard.  Without a zipper.

Of course, even if it was armor, leaving it open almost to the navel kinda defeats the purpose

[KainrycKarr]

I'm not offended by it, I just think it's silly for Miranda, Jack, and Samara to be showing so much skin in near-vacuum, and in heavy combat.



On the normandy is fine, but when you're in the trenches with explosives, gunfire, and god knows what else, it seems ridiculous to have these girls standing around half-naked or near it.

[vehzeel]

JowyXXV wrote...

Samara is just way below my standards, omg'z.

Look at her ugly face and those super-sharp knees!

I would DEFINITELY not hit that, nope.

And the whole thing is further complicated by the fact that she consists of a bunch of polygons....

[lovgreno]

I have nothing against that fine milf showing what she got, on the ship and in other non combat situations that is. In battle however Samara and everyone else should have decent protection on vital areas, for example heart, throat and head... Vacuum and hostile enviroments are also bad for exposed skin.

[tonnactus]

Palathas wrote...

I could be wrong but aren't the Shields generated by the armour and the Biotic Barriers by the biotic themselves?

If that's the case the biotic could go totally naked and still be just as protected by their Biotic Barrier.

Something like a steady barrier is completly stupid anyway.Casting biotics needs a lot of energy and why not use shields in addition to the barrier?? Stupid gameplay reasons.
Another dumb thing is that barrier is improved by shield upgrades...
The game designers not even try to let some sense in the game at the expense of "streamlining".

Modifié par tonnactus, 26 août 2010 - 11:29 .

[brfritos]

As a man I say that the problem is not this...

Confed wrote...

Her cleavage is wonderful. My problem is with the intent behind it.

I (young, male, console gamer) would have liked her even without the cleavage because she is useful in combat, and gels with my Shep's moral code. I also think she has a beautiful face. I hope they know that she didn't need the bewbage to be awesome.

...and more this.

AntiChri5 wrote...

...Her outfit is pure fanservice.

Miranda, Jack, Thane and Kasumi uniforms don't make ANY sense when you are on a battle.
Can you imagine some Blackwater private security contractors fighting in Iraq with overcoats?
If you pick the parts when you are in space the situation became worse, since NO ONE except Shepard are prepared to the enviroment.

In ME1 at least you have some coherence, not only regarding armor, but now...

No wonder that the talk about armor and clothing is how bad or good they look, not what stats they add or if they are functional.
And I'm not talking about realism, but some friggin' sense.

Modifié par brfritos, 26 août 2010 - 11:48 .

[TMA LIVE]

The cleavage must not be hidden.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Spartas Husky wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...


Wow --- I think someone needs to ship a few crates of Salt Peter then to the Normandy chow hall, and a head-start towards the citadel because the Consortium is going to be knee deep in customers.

\\\\


hahahahahahahaha salt peter, nice, haven't heard that term in so long

sweet lol


all I know... is that thing didn't work, on half of us at the barracks...

it certainly didn't work, on the 4th of July gathering at base on.... god knows how many pairs in the woods lol.

sigh... good times, good times.

thankes MrnDvlDg161 you just made my day :police:

Word.

And yes, the cleavage must continue.

[Darth Drago]

I actually like her armor. Its like a variant of the Asari Commando one. Perhaps it is an older version of the Asari Commando for all we know.

BioWare tried to make every squad mate look more unique which includes the cloths they wear. Other than the issue about going into what is interpreted as a vacuum situation I don’t see the problem. Even with the high heel boots I don’t see a problem. She’s a Justicar not a full fledged soldier. She is seen using her biotics as a weapon in her intro cut scene and I imagine that in most cases she would act more like a commando to hunt her target.
　

Throw_this_away wrote...

I just find Samara's outfit to be gaudy and over the top. Probably the weakest outfit of the squad. Her loyalty outfit is improved however.

-It’s the same outfit but just black. So how is it improved beyond the color?
　

shootist70 wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Samara's chest looks like two balls of blu-tac pinned to a chest.

But they're pinned to her stomach, not her chest. Maybe that's why people want them covered up.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Coming-to-America-em02.jpg

[Boombox]

I love Samara's outfit. I love the boots and the cleavage. I know it's not the greatest combat armour but she looks totally fierce. I think she's the best designed character in the game.