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[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Siansonea II wrote...

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

Thank you, Siansonea II for your logical and unbiased input, but unfortunately, these boards appear to be dominated by prudes and over-sexed goons who cannot listen to reason and share an illogical hatred for Samara's cleavage.

Here's what I'm seeing...

oversexdprude777: "hurr she needz armor & bewbiez r bad!11"

Me & you: "Uh, yeah... She's got biotic barriers and no, breasts aren't bad."

oversexdprude778: "hurr she needz armor & bewbiez r bad!11"

Me & you: "Didn't you read the last post? We've already covered this..."

oversexdprude779: "hurr she needz armor & bewbiez r bad!11"

I see some things never change...

Yep, it's the "Nudity for ME3!" thread all over again...

shinyblacklatexkitty wrote...

I like that she has boobs and isn't scared to show them off tho they are very fake looking with how they always stand exactly the same etc (like silicone) I guess that's just laziness or prudishness from bioware rather than them trying to imply she has fakies.

From a girl.

Yeah, but if they had've put more work in then you'd have prudes complaining about the breast physics.

"OMG wut iz dis DOA?!11" 

It seems like the Mass Effect Fanbase on this particular site cannot be satisfied and will always find something to complain about...
I still can't wait to see what people say if/when Bioware unmasks Tali. 
If they make her pretty, then all the anti-Tali people will be "OMG she wldnt lewk liek dat!11" and if she's ugly then all the Talimancers will be "WTF she isnt az beutiful az i imagined!11"

Modifié par Blk_Mage_Ctype, 27 août 2010 - 09:55 .

[Spartas Husky]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I dont know about Hae'strom radiation problem though....

We dont know exactly the how bad the radiation was... our suits are for vaccum so they must withstand quite the temperature punishment... and vaccum also has radiation so.

Not really sure how bad the radiation is on Haestrom, bad enough to fry skin, but not bad enough with protective gear?.... can't really say... so on that one I'll refrain judgement.

Either way... I would nto mind having mIranda, And jacob with Cerberus assault armor.... fits them, role wise.

On Jack.... a nice merc outfit, normal armor from ME1. Samara have no idea... can't think of one armor sets that might suit her role...throwing it out there though, medium armor?

Well  Dr. Chakwas didn't bother to report what the eerie glow of Shepard's urine sample meant, she figured if he was able to come back from the dead, it wasn't nesessary to bother with such little things so she promptly spaced it.

that glow is nothing, he just drank some Nuka Cola Quantum that why, few days of glowing pee not a big deal....
welll they have psycotics now... maybe that is what he did... he wanted to change the every day mundane color to something more shiny lol

I hated that mission. I def wasn't going to help that other scum bag that lived next to that woman  ( the names escape me)... I do believe I shot and robbed him actully, I'm not sure.  Good way to get a lot of caps.

I killed him and stole his Kneecapper. (shotgun)
Pervert got what was coming to him.

Come to think of it, that ehhh --- town on the bridge, you know that gang called " The Family".  Well they didn't apperciate me helping them so they all tried to get their guns and kill me so I took out the entire town. Fools.  

You want to talk about a free-sandbox world Fallout 3 and Bethesda nailed that sucker.

man aren't you feisty... they are just horrible mutated DNA. all they wanted was blood. More than happy to give em bloodpacks .

Now, one that surely needed a paragon interrupt was the tenpenny tower ghouls... I helped those damn zombies get into the tower and then they go and kill everyone like an enraged krogan in Blood rage, and they just say "we disagreed on a color".....hell no, killed every damn ghoul like they were batarians in the terra nova asteroid.

so kool with mods, I can keep poping them back into the world just for the hell of it

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

OFF TOPIC: Anyone else getting New Vegas?

[Spartas Husky]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

OFF TOPIC: Anyone else getting New Vegas?

depends. If EA/BIoware, with a paid DLC that adds quitea  bit to do for 560... besides the shadow broker, and a free DLC... more armors or weapons, free... then I'll take the 10 bucks off the Las Vegas Reserve.

So if EA comes up with a good 560 dlc, and a SUPER GOOD, free DLC, I wont get vegas.... if not then, I will, 10 dollars are better spent playing a bethesda DLC than a BIoware DLC anyday.

[TheShadowmancer]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

OFF TOPIC: Anyone else getting New Vegas?

Yes just let open a thread killer. This topic is called a topic FOR A REASON!

[MrnDvlDg161]

Spartas Husky wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I dont know about Hae'strom radiation problem though....

We dont know exactly the how bad the radiation was... our suits are for vaccum so they must withstand quite the temperature punishment... and vaccum also has radiation so.

Not really sure how bad the radiation is on Haestrom, bad enough to fry skin, but not bad enough with protective gear?.... can't really say... so on that one I'll refrain judgement.

Either way... I would nto mind having mIranda, And jacob with Cerberus assault armor.... fits them, role wise.

On Jack.... a nice merc outfit, normal armor from ME1. Samara have no idea... can't think of one armor sets that might suit her role...throwing it out there though, medium armor?

Well  Dr. Chakwas didn't bother to report what the eerie glow of Shepard's urine sample meant, she figured if he was able to come back from the dead, it wasn't nesessary to bother with such little things so she promptly spaced it.

that glow is nothing, he just drank some Nuka Cola Quantum that why, few days of glowing pee not a big deal....
welll they have psycotics now... maybe that is what he did... he wanted to change the every day mundane color to something more shiny lol

I hated that mission. I def wasn't going to help that other scum bag that lived next to that woman  ( the names escape me)... I do believe I shot and robbed him actully, I'm not sure.  Good way to get a lot of caps.

I killed him and stole his Kneecapper. (shotgun)
Pervert got what was coming to him.

Come to think of it, that ehhh --- town on the bridge, you know that gang called " The Family".  Well they didn't apperciate me helping them so they all tried to get their guns and kill me so I took out the entire town. Fools.  

You want to talk about a free-sandbox world Fallout 3 and Bethesda nailed that sucker.

man aren't you feisty... they are just horrible mutated DNA. all they wanted was blood. More than happy to give em bloodpacks .

Now, one that surely needed a paragon interrupt was the tenpenny tower ghouls... I helped those damn zombies get into the tower and then they go and kill everyone like an enraged krogan in Blood rage, and they just say "we disagreed on a color".....hell no, killed every damn ghoul like they were batarians in the terra nova asteroid.

so kool with mods, I can keep poping them back into the world just for the hell of it

Not me --- at that point of the game I was becomming a bit impatient... so when they let me up to the 2nd floor, I killed the guard out side and burned Old Man Tenpenny alive with the flamethrower. Took his keys. Then worked my way down shooting up the place.

After they were all dead, I then proceeded to open the back door to let the Ghoul leader in...

...and then I shot him through the metal grating and killed all the zombies as well.

Caps, weapons, and items galore after that!  Looted all the stores and took all the cash in the vaults.  

I loved Tenpenny tower.

[AntiChri5]

How did this thread become about nudity?



The complaints against Samaras cleavage are simple:



1) The strongest female character forced into an oversexualised outfit that many feel does not suit her character.



2) The absolute joke this game makes of armour, and the need for it to actually protect. Be it against bullets or hostile environments.



I have nothing against cleavage (what hot blooded guy does?) or sexy characters, which is why i am not complaining about Miranda (a hypersexualised outfit suits her mindset). Or against Samara, i just feel we are getting way too close to the sci fi equivalent of chainmail bikinis.



I am sick of every character in every game being pure fanservice/eyecandy, no matter her actual character.

[Spartas Husky]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I dont know about Hae'strom radiation problem though....

We dont know exactly the how bad the radiation was... our suits are for vaccum so they must withstand quite the temperature punishment... and vaccum also has radiation so.

Not really sure how bad the radiation is on Haestrom, bad enough to fry skin, but not bad enough with protective gear?.... can't really say... so on that one I'll refrain judgement.

Either way... I would nto mind having mIranda, And jacob with Cerberus assault armor.... fits them, role wise.

On Jack.... a nice merc outfit, normal armor from ME1. Samara have no idea... can't think of one armor sets that might suit her role...throwing it out there though, medium armor?

Well  Dr. Chakwas didn't bother to report what the eerie glow of Shepard's urine sample meant, she figured if he was able to come back from the dead, it wasn't nesessary to bother with such little things so she promptly spaced it.

that glow is nothing, he just drank some Nuka Cola Quantum that why, few days of glowing pee not a big deal....
welll they have psycotics now... maybe that is what he did... he wanted to change the every day mundane color to something more shiny lol

I hated that mission. I def wasn't going to help that other scum bag that lived next to that woman  ( the names escape me)... I do believe I shot and robbed him actully, I'm not sure.  Good way to get a lot of caps.

I killed him and stole his Kneecapper. (shotgun)
Pervert got what was coming to him.

Come to think of it, that ehhh --- town on the bridge, you know that gang called " The Family".  Well they didn't apperciate me helping them so they all tried to get their guns and kill me so I took out the entire town. Fools.  

You want to talk about a free-sandbox world Fallout 3 and Bethesda nailed that sucker.

man aren't you feisty... they are just horrible mutated DNA. all they wanted was blood. More than happy to give em bloodpacks .

Now, one that surely needed a paragon interrupt was the tenpenny tower ghouls... I helped those damn zombies get into the tower and then they go and kill everyone like an enraged krogan in Blood rage, and they just say "we disagreed on a color".....hell no, killed every damn ghoul like they were batarians in the terra nova asteroid.

so kool with mods, I can keep poping them back into the world just for the hell of it

Not me --- at that point of the game I was becomming a bit impatient... so when they let me up to the 2nd floor, I killed the guard out side and burned Old Man Tenpenny alive with the flamethrower. Took his keys. Then worked my way down shooting up the place.

After they were all dead, I then proceeded to open the back door to let the Ghoul leader in...

...and then I shot him through the metal grating and killed all the zombies as well.

Caps, weapons, and items galore after that!  Looted all the stores and took all the cash in the vaults.  

I loved Tenpenny tower.

yeah.... if ME ever goes sandbox style.... your shep is going to end up with wanted posters in less than a galactic standard day....

The galaxy is going to end up asking, if the reapers would have been a better option than you lol

[Iakus]

AntiChri5 wrote...

How did this thread become about nudity?

The complaints against Samaras cleavage are simple:

1) The strongest female character forced into an oversexualised outfit that many feel does not suit her character.

2) The absolute joke this game makes of armour, and the need for it to actually protect. Be it against bullets or hostile environments.

I have nothing against cleavage (what hot blooded guy does?) or sexy characters, which is why i am not complaining about Miranda (a hypersexualised outfit suits her mindset). Or against Samara, i just feel we are getting way too close to the sci fi equivalent of chainmail bikinis.

I am sick of every character in every game being pure fanservice/eyecandy, no matter her actual character.

Thank you!

[kalle90]

AntiChri5 wrote...
1) The strongest female character forced into an oversexualised outfit that many feel does not suit her character.

2) The absolute joke this game makes of armour, and the need for it to actually protect. Be it against bullets or hostile environments

1) Many feel it does.

2) Why jedis don't wear armor?

Still, just a simple optional 3rd costume would solve this. Hoping ME3 has casual, formal and armor for everyone

[AntiChri5]

1. Those that do are either justifying it so they dont feel bad for staring at pixel boobies or using a convoluted stream of assumptions about asari standards and culture as a flimsy justification which doesnt hold against the fact that her costume was designed by a human team with western human values for a human audience with western human values.



2. Jedi dont wear armour because they use thinly disguised magic to gain vauge impressions of the future so they can block incoming blaster fire with their lightsaber. Samara has neither. Besides, can we please not ape Star Wars?

[AntiChri5]

Actually, i am an atheist and have nothing against nudity.



Although its really nice that the opposite side of this argument keeps making such lovely assumptions.



Any argument about it being a different culture stops working when you embrace reality and face the fact that these characters where desinged by people. You know, the human kind. To be experienced by humans. Her armour is desinged to make a provoke a certain response from the human audience. And no, i dont get a "flamimg boner", i simply sigh, and roll my eyes at the fsct that every female squadmate must be sexualised with fanservice armour, except for Tali, whose character got retconned as fanservice, so she might as well count.

[spacehamsterZH]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

All I'm seeing in the Alternate Appearance Pack Suggestion Thread is how Samara needs to be "covered up" 
That actually offends me a little... I mean, what, are breasts suddenly so unsightly that they must be covered up at all costs? Yeesh, no wonder ME2's sex scenes were toned down. If Samara's cleavage has offended so many people then Liara's side-boob must've brought these boards to it's knees.

I'm just going to skip over 9 pages of thread to jump in here because I was one of the people who made that suggestion in the other thread. I'm guessing similar things have been said already, but anyway...

I'm not offended by seeing skin at all, and I think it's silly to be offended by nudity. And Samara is actually one of my favorite characters in the ME universe. But I think it's a bit silly for a character that's basically a warrior monk to run around half naked, not to mention it seems impractical. The outfit just doesn't seem to suit her character. Not to mention Morinth is all covered up and Samara isn't - that just doesn't make any sense if you consider that the conflict between those two characters mostly revolves around sex.

The Liara side-boob is a totally different story, that's during a sex scene, so obviously there's nothing wrong with her being naked. I actually think it's kind of a shame that the sex scenes were toned down in ME2.

That make sense to you? 

[AntiChri5]

Its not a problem with asari sexuality, but Samara being sexualised.



Morinth? Sure. Dress her as sensuously and seductively as you want. I will enjoy the view.



Liara? I very much enjoyed what i saw on the night before Ilos.



The strippers? Sure, why not, they add atmosphere.



I do understand the in universe perspective. Aliens are different. I just cant erase the knowledge that she is dressed that way for eyecandy.



Its like the asari murderer on Ilium during Samara's recruitment mission. In game, i dont know that she is the killer of that volus. But i still know that she is. Its damn hard not to pull that renegade interrupt.



Femsheps armour accentuates her curves slightly more then in ME 1, but you have lots of other armour options and Femshep is player defined, so there is no chance if a character clash between her appearence and her demeanor.



As for authors, its their responsibility to occasionally challenge us and our views, but Samara feels more like someone in marketimg walked past as they were finalising her desimg and said "more sexy". It devalues the character.

[Tazzmission]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

@Blk:

Go to Omega.

Have a look at the strippers chests.

Have a look at Samara's chest.

Who shows more of their breasts?

If Bioware didn't fear Fox News so much, those strippers would wear alot less...

Go to a REAL Strip Club and have a look at the strippers chests.

Have a look at Samara's chest.

Who shows more of their breasts?

its not just fox though dude its also the rating  board. im not saying there scared but i think fox did get the ball rolling for the board to make a judgment wich imo is none of fox news buisness

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

AntiChri5 wrote...

2. Jedi dont wear armour because they use thinly disguised magic to gain vauge impressions of the future so they can block incoming blaster fire with their lightsaber. Samara has neither. Besides, can we please not ape Star Wars?

Fail

Samara has Biotic Barriers that can deflect bullets.

[Nightwriter]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

2. Jedi dont wear armour because they use thinly disguised magic to gain vauge impressions of the future so they can block incoming blaster fire with their lightsaber. Samara has neither. Besides, can we please not ape Star Wars?

Fail

Samara has Biotic Barriers that can deflect bullets.

Jedi don't walk around in robes in vacuum space, either. And they don't have their cleavage hanging out.

And being a biotic does not negate the need for armor in all situations.

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Nightwriter wrote...

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

2. Jedi dont wear armour because they use thinly disguised magic to gain vauge impressions of the future so they can block incoming blaster fire with their lightsaber. Samara has neither. Besides, can we please not ape Star Wars?

Fail

Samara has Biotic Barriers that can deflect bullets.

Jedi don't walk around in robes in vacuum space, either. And they don't have their cleavage hanging out.

And being a biotic does not negate the need for armor in all situations.

I've never seen a Jedi go out into vacuum space to begin with, and to be fair, female Jedi seem to be a minority, so it's kinda hard to say whether or not female Jedi would show cleavage when most of the Jedi in the movies were men.

Most strong Biotics don't wear armor, so I'd say that either armor gets in the way of Biotics with substantially high Biotic abilities, or at least that they're confident enough in their Biotic abilities that they don't feel the need to wear armor.

[MrnDvlDg161]

I have full confidence that despite some of the more hard core individuals that want to go Burqua on the characters that the styles shall continue.

[kalle90]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...
I've never seen a Jedi go out into vacuum space to begin with, and to be fair, female Jedi seem to be a minority, so it's kinda hard to say whether or not female Jedi would show cleavage when most of the Jedi in the movies were men.

Most strong Biotics don't wear armor, so I'd say that either armor gets in the way of Biotics with substantially high Biotic abilities, or at least that they're confident enough in their Biotic abilities that they don't feel the need to wear armor.

I'd say the thing is that jedi robes don't protect from any serious damage. It would be the same thing if Samara had covered her cleavage with the same material her outfit is made of. And I also agree with the impression that armor weakens biotics (Just like star wars) plus slows down a person who doesn't need it

This topic seems weird. Some people say the only problem is the impracticality, some say it's only the way of making her a sex-object and some say it's both, and some say there is no problem. It's difficult to form an image of what the problem really is

Modifié par kalle90, 28 août 2010 - 05:36 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

Spartas Husky wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I dont know about Hae'strom radiation problem though....

We dont know exactly the how bad the radiation was... our suits are for vaccum so they must withstand quite the temperature punishment... and vaccum also has radiation so.

Not really sure how bad the radiation is on Haestrom, bad enough to fry skin, but not bad enough with protective gear?.... can't really say... so on that one I'll refrain judgement.

Either way... I would nto mind having mIranda, And jacob with Cerberus assault armor.... fits them, role wise.

On Jack.... a nice merc outfit, normal armor from ME1. Samara have no idea... can't think of one armor sets that might suit her role...throwing it out there though, medium armor?

Well  Dr. Chakwas didn't bother to report what the eerie glow of Shepard's urine sample meant, she figured if he was able to come back from the dead, it wasn't nesessary to bother with such little things so she promptly spaced it.

that glow is nothing, he just drank some Nuka Cola Quantum that why, few days of glowing pee not a big deal....
welll they have psycotics now... maybe that is what he did... he wanted to change the every day mundane color to something more shiny lol

I hated that mission. I def wasn't going to help that other scum bag that lived next to that woman  ( the names escape me)... I do believe I shot and robbed him actully, I'm not sure.  Good way to get a lot of caps.

I killed him and stole his Kneecapper. (shotgun)
Pervert got what was coming to him.

Come to think of it, that ehhh --- town on the bridge, you know that gang called " The Family".  Well they didn't apperciate me helping them so they all tried to get their guns and kill me so I took out the entire town. Fools.  

You want to talk about a free-sandbox world Fallout 3 and Bethesda nailed that sucker.

man aren't you feisty... they are just horrible mutated DNA. all they wanted was blood. More than happy to give em bloodpacks .

Now, one that surely needed a paragon interrupt was the tenpenny tower ghouls... I helped those damn zombies get into the tower and then they go and kill everyone like an enraged krogan in Blood rage, and they just say "we disagreed on a color".....hell no, killed every damn ghoul like they were batarians in the terra nova asteroid.

so kool with mods, I can keep poping them back into the world just for the hell of it

Not me --- at that point of the game I was becomming a bit impatient... so when they let me up to the 2nd floor, I killed the guard out side and burned Old Man Tenpenny alive with the flamethrower. Took his keys. Then worked my way down shooting up the place.

After they were all dead, I then proceeded to open the back door to let the Ghoul leader in...

...and then I shot him through the metal grating and killed all the zombies as well.

Caps, weapons, and items galore after that!  Looted all the stores and took all the cash in the vaults.  

I loved Tenpenny tower.

yeah.... if ME ever goes sandbox style.... your shep is going to end up with wanted posters in less than a galactic standard day....

The galaxy is going to end up asking, if the reapers would have been a better option than you lol

Well... its just like when I met the Outcasts.  I said --- wow --- if I just max out a few more points I'll be able to simply shoot my way into that nice building full of gadets.  The trade off of course was that I was hunted by the Talon Company AND the Outcasts... but at least there wasn't a need to find extra weapon parts then to repair the ones I had after oh-so-many uses.

My only regret is that I couldn't get back into vault 101 and clear it out for my self --- taking out that whiney Overseer's daughter would have been great.

[MrnDvlDg161]

The problem is that there are a pair of blue breasts that Shepard is denied access to because of age discrimination...and therefore it is unfair.



Since there isn't any law in the Terminus Systems, he can't really sue anyone so he's SOL.

[Christmas Ape]

One can approach Samara's outfit from two sides: "That's what she chooses to wear" and "That's what Bioware put her in". This will, most likely, dictate your entire reaction.