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[AntiChri5]

Kordaris wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Oh, so this is the part where you subtly hint you're a young child to gain a reaction about your immature viewpoint?

Huh? You must missed at least two threads about previous RPG experience. I started waaay back in the eighties with tabletop DnD,Warhammer, early cRPG games like Darksun, Ravenloft on PC later, I am around 30years old RPG gamer(never concealed my age).

Kordaris wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...

Kordaris man, are you ok? today you sound a little depressed, all other days everything still seemed total **** and all that, but today I can see that you're sorrow.

To quote a comment from the Polish review of DA2-it is sad to see cRPG genre dying in such convulsions.

As was Imoen. I don't see you railing on that game.

I never liked her, and yes, she was irritating.

You will buy it anyway sooooo

I have to make carefull choices with the money parents give me, so no I will choose some other expense.

[St. Victorious]

Kordaris wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Oh, so this is the part where you subtly hint you're a young child to gain a reaction about your immature viewpoint?

Huh? You must missed at least two threads about previous RPG experience. I started waaay back in the eighties with tabletop DnD,Warhammer, early cRPG games like Darksun, Ravenloft on PC later, I am around 30years old RPG gamer(never concealed my age).

You're 30 and still get money from your parents? Are you like the guy they based the South Park WoW episode on?

[St. Victorious]

Kordaris wrote...

St. Victorious wrote...

You're 30 and still get money from your parents? Are you like the guy they based the South Park WoW episode on?

Nothing strange about that in Europe.

Must be my American spirit telling me that being 25 I should be able to support myself.

Which brings me to another point; is that why you hate the idea of siblings? Would your parents pay you less if you had a brother or sister?

[C9316]

Kordaris wrote...

So it seems that now we are not only forced to be a obnoxious character called Hawke, without any choice regarding his race, name, history. Now it is getting even worse-we aren't even allowed to decide his relationships and are thrown into being forced to love and grief for his family members.

That's really dissapointing-I hoped I could at least direct my character. In addition-the forced feelings for some annoying sister seem irritating. As a single child player I hope I can get to kill her, or give her away to Chantry, but from the looks of it, we will have to loooooveeee her, because Hawke is not our character but Bioware's.

No facts here at all!
1. You don't even know if the sister is gonna be annoying, how can you judge so soon?
2. Has anyone confirmed that you can't be hostile to your family?

[St. Victorious]

Kordaris wrote...

Every parent has to support his children, so its pretty obvious. Anyway-this is not the topic of this thread.

Agreed.

The thing is though, if you're actually open-minded about placing yourself in the shoes of Hawke(despite you hating the name) and the conditions in which s/he's in then you might actually enjoy the game. I could go on to say that in reality you don't have a choice in siblings, but then you'd counter by saying it's a game meant to partly escape reality. Exactly, it's a game though. Made by developers who feel that a story involving a main character with a brother and sister will allow for the portal many people are looking for.

Stop being closed-minded and just admit that you're going to buy the game regardless of the amount of complaining you do. <3

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

Is this the part where we talk about how BG made you care about Gorion and Imoen, or are we saving that for later in the thread?

BG did nothing of the sort, but I don't really expect DA2 to do that either.  Even the scenarios Virgil described from DAO didn't require any particular emotional attachment from the PC.

Really, the only time I recall DAO doing something like that was the look of horror on the PC's face at Jory's joining.

[Saibh]

Kordaris wrote...

St. Victorious wrote...
Stop being closed-minded and just admit that you're going to buy the game regardless of the amount of complaining you do. <3

My monthly allowance is around 30-40 dollars(converted from polish currency). I doubt I will want to save around two months or of earnings  on this game.

You're doing that on purpose. A said 30 year old man saying he has an allowance? Psh. <_< Try a little harder.

[Aratham Darksight]

I guess we now hit the stage where Kordaris is trolling us with insultingly low-quality trolling. It's like meta-trolling, or something.

[Anarya]

Kordaris wrote...

St. Victorious wrote...
Stop being closed-minded and just admit that you're going to buy the game regardless of the amount of complaining you do. <3

My monthly allowance is around 30-40 dollars(converted from polish currency). I doubt I will want to save around two months or of earnings  on this game.

Okay well that's valid. I'm just wondering then why you don't hang around on CD Projekt's forums instead (or whatever game developer you DO like).

[AlanC9]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Is this the part where we talk about how BG made you care about Gorion and Imoen, or are we saving that for later in the thread?

BG did nothing of the sort, but I don't really expect DA2 to do that either.  Even the scenarios Virgil described from DAO didn't require any particular emotional attachment from the PC.

Quite so -- I should have said that BG did the same thing WRT your background that DA2 will do, not that it made you care about anyone.

I've never been 100% convinced that the Spellhold sequence works if your character doens't care about Imoen at all, but since I've never played such a character I'm not really qualified to discuss the point.

Really, the only time I recall DAO doing something like that was the look of horror on the PC's face at Jory's joining.

I wonder if the dominant personality tracking will permit them to avoid that sort of problem. Probably not in this iteration.

[Hollingdale]

You don't have to love Hawke's family, Hawke does! You are NOT have Hawke. This is just another thread against prefabricated main characters and in turn against voiced main characters. I fail to see the point of making a thread about certain consequences of what you believe to be a faulty system rather than make a thread about the system itself. Especially considering the fact that the discussion inevatably and necessarily develops into one concerning the actual system lest the debaters be miserably incompetent.



Although I can of course see why a thread like this would garner more attention, nonetheless it's intellectually dishonest and crowds the boards.

[thegreateski]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Is this the part where we talk about how BG made you care about Gorion and Imoen, or are we saving that for later in the thread?

BG did nothing of the sort, but I don't really expect DA2 to do that either.  Even the scenarios Virgil described from DAO didn't require any particular emotional attachment from the PC.

Quite so -- I should have said that BG did the same thing WRT your background that DA2 will do, not that it made you care about anyone.

I've never been 100% convinced that the Spellhold sequence works if your character doens't care about Imoen at all, but since I've never played such a character I'm not really qualified to discuss the point.

Really, the only time I recall DAO doing something like that was the look of horror on the PC's face at Jory's joining.

I wonder if the dominant personality tracking will permit them to avoid that sort of problem. Probably not in this iteration.

What? You wouldn't be suprised if the nice old man who saved your arse suddenly stabbed one of his recruits?

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

I've never been 100% convinced that the Spellhold sequence works if your character doens't care about Imoen at all, but since I've never played such a character I'm not really qualified to discuss the point.

I was thinking BG, not BG2.

I wonder if the dominant personality tracking will permit them to avoid that sort of problem. Probably not in this iteration.

That would be an excellent use of dominant personality tracking.  That would be an unequivocal improvement over the DAO's system.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 25 août 2010 - 10:02 .

[Hollingdale]

Thegreatski: Surprise isn't horror, and it's fully possible to discern between the two facial expressions with todays graphics which Bioware failed to do.

[Sylvius the Mad]

thegreateski wrote...

What? You wouldn't be suprised if the nice old man who saved your arse suddenly stabbed one of his recruits?

Depends on the character.

And regardless, how surprised we are need not have anything to do with how surprised we look.

[Hollingdale]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

What? You wouldn't be suprised if the nice old man who saved your arse suddenly stabbed one of his recruits?

Depends on the character.

And regardless, how surprised we are need not have anything to do with how surprised we look.

Well Bioware can hardly account for all possible reactions. Hencewhy they should either stick with a tabula rasa character who doesn't respond to such situations (and whose face shouldn't be viewed in the either to avoid awkwardness and effectively create the kind of harmony that existed in old games thanks be to their graphical limitations) or go for a voiced pre fab like in ME, not some weird crossbreed between the two like in Dragon Age.

[Punahedan]

Oh, god, this thread is SO much fun to read. Thank you, all of you. *Wipes a tear of laughter*



Anyway, you can't pick the cards you're dealt, just the way you play them. This applies to all areas - including family. You say that it's "realistic" to be able to fight with your family (and it's likely that we can. We've been able to do it before) but yet reject the fact that, realistically, we can't choose our family. Tough noogies, bro.



We'll likely be able to be rude, condescending, friendly, and so forth towards our family, and that suits me fine. 'Cause honestly, I'm sick of being an orphan all the time.



NPC: "Gosh, my sister sure is mean! She tried to kill me!"

PC: "I never had a sister. I never had a family!"

NPC: "But that's a plot device. MY suffering is REAL."

^ Ehhhh. No thanks.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Given that I abhor the voiced pre-fab character like ME used, I'd much rather the hybrid. Yes, of course the unvoiced blank slate is my first choice, but since I can't have that in DA2 I'm glad they're going with the hybrid.