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[Dave of Canada]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Devs--
I know it's not a source from you, but I read somewhere on Kotaku that this will be the end of Morrigan's story. Confirm or deny?
I thought you guys stated that Morrigan's story was far from over and will continue into DA2!

They said not too long ago that Morrigan's story continues in DA2, unless they've been working on this DLC for a week or two then it's probably hasn't changed.

[SDNcN]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I honestly do not understand how people can get so judgmental over a video game character.

Attachment & Self-Entitlement
It reminds me of the reactions I saw towards the new Avatar cartoon.

"OMG who is this new chick?!?! They're replacing Aang and the gang with her, she sounds like a total mary sue. "

Those people completely ignored that the entire show was about the Avatar defeating the firelord, which he did. The writers decided they wanted to continue telling stories in that setting, but didn't want to shoehorn the characters into storylines they didn't fit, so they chose to introduce a new protagonist with a new story arc.

Just replace Avatar and the Firelord with Grey Warden and the Archdemon.

[Addai]

Gaddmeister wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Exactly.  Rather than cashing in on the actual strengths of DAO, it seems that these are being neglected/ downgraded/ dismissed and we're just expected to love it because it has DA on it.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the real strength of the game was the lore, the world created by Bioware. I want more stories from that world and I really don't see why the Warden's story needs to continue.

The lore is rather weak compared to other worlds, IMO.  The strength of the game as I see it is the characterization and team interaction.  That is why it is a shame to have great characters brought onto the stage, we fall in love with them, and then never see them again or only in throwaway capacity.

[Dave of Canada]

SDNcN wrote...


Those people completely ignored that the entire show was about the Avatar defeating the firelord, which he did. The writers decided they wanted to continue telling stories in that setting, but didn't want to shoehorn the characters into storylines they didn't fit, so they chose to introduce a new protagonist with a new story arc.

Last time I checked, Dragon Age's entire story wasn't about the Grey Warden defeating the Blight. That was just a chapter in the world of Thedas in the Dragon Age as a whole.

[SDNcN]

Dave of Canada wrote...

SDNcN wrote...


Those people completely ignored that the entire show was about the Avatar defeating the firelord, which he did. The writers decided they wanted to continue telling stories in that setting, but didn't want to shoehorn the characters into storylines they didn't fit, so they chose to introduce a new protagonist with a new story arc.

Last time I checked, Dragon Age's entire story wasn't about the Grey Warden defeating the Blight. That was just a chapter in the world of Thedas in the Dragon Age as a whole.

To clarify I was refering to Origins and the Warden's story arc, not the series as a whole.

[Darth_Trethon]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Devs--
I know it's not a source from you, but I read somewhere on Kotaku that this will be the end of Morrigan's story. Confirm or deny?
I thought you guys stated that Morrigan's story was far from over and will continue into DA2!

One billion percent confirmed Morrigan will appear in future DA games although she might not appear in DA2:

http://www.rpgfrance...-sur-dragon-age

The site is french but the video is in English so just press the play button and enjoy.

[Face of Evil]

Wow, did this thread turn sour quickly.



I don't really understand why people are so ****y about the two-year thing, as though that were a contract written in blood — by my count, we got eight DLCs and one expansion for DA. That's pretty decent for one game.



Anyways, looking forward to Witch Hunt.

[Dave of Canada]

SDNcN wrote...

To clarify I was refering to Origins and the Warden's story arc, not the series as a whole.

I see.

[FlyinElk212]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Devs--
I know it's not a source from you, but I read somewhere on Kotaku that this will be the end of Morrigan's story. Confirm or deny?
I thought you guys stated that Morrigan's story was far from over and will continue into DA2!

One billion percent confirmed Morrigan will appear in future DA games although she might not appear in DA2:

http://www.rpgfrance...-sur-dragon-age

The site is french but the video is in English so just press the play button and enjoy.

Ah! Okay, great! In that case, I have no qualms with this DLC and am SUPER STOKED FOR IT!!!

MORRIGAAAAN!!!! COME BACK TO ME, YOU DUMB SPERM THIEF!

[Darth_Trethon]

Face of Evil wrote...

Wow, did this thread turn sour quickly.

I don't really understand why people are so ****y about the two-year thing, as though that were a contract written in blood — by my count, we got eight DLCs and one expansion for DA. That's pretty decent for one game.

Anyways, looking forward to Witch Hunt.

BioWare did good. They provided A LOT of DLC which made me realy happy, they didn't delay anything for too long and they are honest about when the DLC for DAO will stop so as not to have anyone wait for nothing. And now they will have a quick lightning-fast amazing sequel I am very much looking forward to. And on top of it all there is a lot of amazing ME2 content. So yeah.....there should be absolutely no complaints whatsoever about BioWare not delivering.

[Nerevar-as]

I still have my doubts we would have new character without the VO. Making up some excuse for the GW (or a GW if the player went US) to Kirkwall wouldn´t be so hard. It is not a recent decission, though, the godlike power at the end of Awakening made it difficult to keep playing with that character without a severe depowering or just releveling as in ME2. If Hawke stays as a main character we´ll know for sure (I know they said he wouldn´t, but all devs say a lot of things).

Hope the last fight in the final game is all player characters against big bad (Flemeth?), that would be epic.

[SDNcN]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I still have my doubts we would have new character without the VO. Making up some excuse for the GW (or a GW if the player went US) to Kirkwall wouldn´t be so hard. It is not a recent decission, though, the godlike power at the end of Awakening made it difficult to keep playing with that character without a severe depowering or just releveling as in ME2. If Hawke stays as a main character we´ll know for sure (I know they said he wouldn´t, but all devs say a lot of things).
Hope the last fight in the final game is all player characters against big bad (Flemeth?), that would be epic.

Incoming link to a pre-Origins interview in which the devs state they don't intend on having one central protagonist.

Trilogies have not become a requirement at BioWare. "Dragon Age: Origins," their long announced return to the studio's classic "Baldur's Gate" roots, does not have a story arc that spans a specific number of games.

This is what the "Dragon Age" team wanted, executive producer and project director Dan Tudge told me during a private demo last week at Electronic Arts' Redwood Shores campus, just south of San Francisco.

"Each team is really encouraged to be entrepreneurial about their own destiny, if you will," he said. "The 'Mass Effect' team focused heavilyon a trilogy, that's something they really wanted to do and tell a story through a trilogy. That doesn't mean that other great things can't happen in the 'Mass Effect' universe. Whereas with us, rather than approach it from [having one] iconic hero, we really wanted to create a sandbox for great fantasy entertainment and really create a universe that's compelling, that's engaging, that there's a lot of depth to."

But while "Dragon Age: Origins" is not an announced multi-game arc, he made clear this is a new BioWare franchise.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/02/11/why-dragon-age-isnt-a-trilogy/

Modifié par SDNcN, 26 août 2010 - 06:53 .

[night0205]

The fact that Morrigan is going to be in future stories beyond DA2 makes it almost certain that she will not die in Witch Hunt... Which then almost makes it seem like the Warden will die... Which is actually what I was thinking to begin with.

[Master Shiori]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

I hope I can off Morrigan in this DLC. So she doesn't appear in any future games for me.

Keep dreaming...

I guess we will see when this half assed DLC is released.

There's nothing to see. MIke Laidlaw already confirmed that Morrigan wil have a large part to play after DA2.

Link please.

If you care so much go dig it up yourself. It's in the DA2 forums, a topic about his interview for some french magazine.

[AndrahilAdrian]

I too hope I can bump off Morrigan in this DLC. I don't want her in future games, because I didn't do her ritual so any part she might play would undoubtedly be a continuity error.

[JamieCOTC]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Will someone please explain to me why this is so I can at least take some of you seriously?

Childish sense of self entitlement?

Attachment.  The same thing happens in PNP D&D.  Only there, the player has as much control as the DM allows and that varies greatly from one DM to another.  I’ve known people to carry around the same characters for years and played the same character in countless games.  To some this is foreign; they value variety and may have a main, but are more than willing to make characters on the fly.  Still others only see the character as the meatbag w/ the sword. Each experience is valid to each player.  These gamer profiles get translated to CRPGs and some adapt very well while others do not.  To some players, character creation begins and ends at the setup of the game, but to others this is not true.  Just like in D&D character creation goes far beyond the initial setup and even beyond the game.  So, if a gamer puts a lot of effort into a character, then said gamer would probably like to continue playing that character.  Unfortunately, that mentality does not fit into the design of CRPGs very well.  Anyway, that is just MHO on why some are taking the Warden’s demise so harshly.  Why some are lashing out, is another topic. 

In other words …

Next time you happen to be on a Brown Coat forum, please post this sentence, “Firefly.  It’s dead.  Get over it,” and see what happens.    But that’s waaaaaaaay OT.

[Lintanis]

 Be good to have closure of DA:O can move on to DA 2 then 

[asskickula]

Yep, I found an article from October 13, 2009 that specifically stated that Bioware would release DLC for DAO for the next 2 years. Did not even make it a year and they are already quitting. DLC was one of the reasons I bought DAO and got into it. A great game with plenty to do for a while. I guess Dragon Age 2 will have DLC as well. Don't expect it to last long as far as development.

[Bryy_Miller]

I want to know how importing works. Can we export back to Awakenings?

[Lucaman]

God damn, people in this thread need to calm down.

The game is called DRAGON AGE. It's about the DRAGON AGE.
There's a reason it's not called YOUR GREY WARDEN AGE.

Sure it's hard to swallow; I didn't like it at first, but you have to just get over it.
DA:O was like telling the story of a figure in history before the game in which they're mentioned is out (DA2).
Like a game about a hero of the First Contact War coming out before Mass Effect 1.

Modifié par Lucaman, 26 août 2010 - 07:44 .

[Theagg]

Exactly what Jamie above just said. It's not entitlement, its a game experience that to some extent succeeded in gving them a sense they themselves were taking on that role. Rather than merely playing the guiding "hand of god on the shoulder of a protaganist" role that is more akin to the Mass Effect series.



Investment, not entitlement and for them its then like saying..."bang, your dead" before they felt it was time to leave the stage. ( As Jamie points out, many old time role playing gamers of the paper variety will know how attached they can become to their favourite character when playing with the same DM over a period of months and years, who gives them a land in which to play out that characters life.



Here its the case that the DM ( Bioware ) has created the land and won't let you immerse your favourite character in its entirety. Some are fine with this 'new jacket every week' approach ( And thats the approach Bioware have decided to adopt ) but it doesn't make those who are not happy less worthy of consideration.



As to the Argument that Thedas is the character, thats a weak argument since its an illusion that over the series of games Thedas will become that unique and 'personal' for each player. The technology doesn't yet exist to do that !

[Val Seleznyov]

It is sad that Origins, and my Warden, are coming to an end... but between the main game, DLC's and expansion, i must have gotten at least 80 hours worth out of him. What more do people want?

Although i think much of the DLC could have been handled better, this really is the first time BW have used DLC in this way. I enjoyed all of the add-ons for Origins, but i'm hoping that they will learn from this and do better with Dragon Age 2.

I'm very much looking forward to Witch Hunt.

Modifié par Val Seleznyov, 26 août 2010 - 07:49 .

[Charles Brasa]

People are saying they will not buy DA2 because it won't be our warden the main character (or a character at all). Well, it's something like "I really loved Resident Evil 1 but I won't play Resident Evil 2 because there won't be neither Chris or Jill" or never playing another Silent Hill, or Final Fantasy, or Metal Gear Solid Rising, or GTA, etc...

I really liked the Wardens I created and everything, but I will not stop playing this series which I have spent more than 150 hours on DAO alone. Hell, maybe I will spend 300+ hours through different gameplays on DA2.

And other thing that some of you might have forgotten: the game is called Dragon Age: ORIGINS! This is just the origin of a whole saga. I don't know if any of you saw the enterview that a guy from Bioware (sorry, I don't know his name) gave to Hollie Bennet (from Destructoid). He says that our decisions will be important on DA2 (like who is in charge of Orzammar for instance). So, relax! There's a whole world to be explored yet. Don't stop playing a game because the characters involved in the introduction (or first chapter) may not be in the other chapters.

Also, it's your money. If you don't like the idea, don't buy it. Do whatever you want. Go play Tony Hawk. That way you will always have the same story/background/characters. Always.

[xAmorius]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

You'll be changing your tune if DA2 dies on its arse.

It won't.

 
I know lots of people who liked Origins, who are not buying DA2.

Where can they go if they keep changing characters? They need a permanent character.

They can't expect people to buy DA3, DA4 OR DA5 If in everyone you play as a different character and story.
 

Hahaha, Square Enix certainly expects as much. And alas, fans keep buying the Final Fantasy series.

[AndrahilAdrian]

xAmorius wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

You'll be changing your tune if DA2 dies on its arse.

It won't.

 
I know lots of people who liked Origins, who are not buying DA2.

Where can they go if they keep changing characters? They need a permanent character.

They can't expect people to buy DA3, DA4 OR DA5 If in everyone you play as a different character and story.
 

Hahaha, Square Enix certainly expects as much. And alas, fans keep buying the Final Fantasy series.

Damn good point.