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[KainrycKarr]

^ That.



I think Bioware will end up bringing back the most popular characters (most used, and most romanced, according to the data they get from Cerberus Network; yes, they track it. It says so when you install the game), and give the others cameos.



Thane and Mordin can all but be written off since they are dying/going to die soon.



Kasumi and Zaaed are all but guaranteed to be cameos/not mentioned due to DLC status, Miranda is likely to come back to plot armor and popularity, Tali will likely come back due to enormous fanbase, and consistency(she's already been in the first two, would be silly to drop her for the big finale).



Garrus maybe, as he has nowhere else to go and is pretty popular. Legion is also pretty likely since even if he dies or something he can literally just be copied to a new geth body.



So at most, if they bring characters back, it's 8 characters.

[Antioch0074]

AntiChri5 wrote...

If i am forced into more recruitment missions in ME 3, i will throw up my hands, tear off my clothes, and join the haters in declaring ME 2 a pointless waste of time.

For serious. It was way too much work recruiting plus 12 loyalty missions, so that is 24 missions plus a tiny bit of story. I want MOOR story like mass effect 1 and not to much damn recruitment.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

I mean that's something people don't consider. Half of the ME 2 team do have excuses that could get them out of ME 3, some of them always maintain a degree of detachment. The ones that seem to get most directly involved in the story so the player could get attached are also ones that have the major normandy upgrades connected to them or the player is simply forced to recruit them (like mordin). For example how many people won't recruit Tali knowing that you need the normandy's shield upgrade. Not to mention that ME 2 is designed that you can recruit characters after the end game and then import from that. It's like theres so many ways you could experience the characters I don't know why people think Bioware will cater to a few people who managed to get nearly everyone killed.

[AntiChri5]

I think we will get the full squad.



Does anyone think they are actually going to give us less squaddies then in ME 2?



No?



Then they will need to conceptualise, write, draw, cast and develop new characters, a massive waste of resources when we spent almost all of a game recruiting and building relationships with the most badass heroes the galaxy had to offer.



A few characters may be missing, but sure as hell not many.

[KainrycKarr]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I think we will get the full squad.

Does anyone think they are actually going to give us less squaddies then in ME 2?

No?

Then they will need to conceptualise, write, draw, cast and develop new characters, a massive waste of resources when we spent almost all of a game recruiting and building relationships with the most badass heroes the galaxy had to offer.

A few characters may be missing, but sure as hell not many.

Yea...this gets me too. Sure, ME2 peeps could be dead, but you literally need a GUIDE to get more than one or two people to die. The vast majority will have most if not all squaddies alive.

The argument is that BW won't waste resources on potentially dead squadmates...

But then again, would they waste resources creating and fleshing out 12 brand new ones when they already have 12 that will, in most people's games, be mostly alive, if not all?

That's the big one imo. And thus I think they'll end up writing off the least popular ones and filling them with a few new ones, just to keep it fresh.

That's just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around.

[xlavaina]

epoch_ wrote...

People care WAY too much about the squad mates.

I don't mean to sound nasty, but I completely disagree. Its impossible to care enough for the squad members because they are the heart and soul of the game. Would you play Mass Effect 1 or 2 if the characters were no more than lifeless shells used in combat? I sure as hell wouldn't. 

[Moiaussi]

Oh I wouldn't worry. I am sure that for ME3 we will be killed at the start only to be ressurected by the Reapers, who will assign us the task of dealing with the 'real' enemy.

Our squadmates from ME1 and ME2 won't be good enough of course, so we will get new 'even better' ones to recruit. Instead of Liara the Biotic, or Samara the Matriarch super-biotic, or Jack the 'tortured until' super-biotic, we will get a being of pure biotic energy.

Instead of Kaiden the Alliance semi-biotic, or Miranda the Cerebus geneticly enhanced 'perfect' semi-biotic, we will get A Rachni "bug-eyed monster' super duper semi-biotic.

Instead of Wrex the Mercenary Krogan, or Grunt, the Tank-bred 'ideal' Krogan, we will get a shamanistic super-krogan channeling the ancestors (as well as channelling Wrex and Grunt, since they will both be conveniently unavailable).

Etc, etc, etc.....

[xlavaina]

Moiaussi wrote...

Oh I wouldn't worry. I am sure that for ME3 we will be killed at the start only to be ressurected by the Reapers, who will assign us the task of dealing with the 'real' enemy.

Our squadmates from ME1 and ME2 won't be good enough of course, so we will get new 'even better' ones to recruit. Instead of Liara the Biotic, or Samara the Matriarch super-biotic, or Jack the 'tortured until' super-biotic, we will get a being of pure biotic energy.

Instead of Kaiden the Alliance semi-biotic, or Miranda the Cerebus geneticly enhanced 'perfect' semi-biotic, we will get A Rachni "bug-eyed monster' super duper semi-biotic.

Instead of Wrex the Mercenary Krogan, or Grunt, the Tank-bred 'ideal' Krogan, we will get a shamanistic super-krogan channeling the ancestors (as well as channelling Wrex and Grunt, since they will both be conveniently unavailable).

Etc, etc, etc.....

Win btw. 

Anyway...

KainrycKarr wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I think we will get the full squad.

Does anyone think they are actually going to give us less squaddies then in ME 2?

No?

Then they will need to conceptualise, write, draw, cast and develop new characters, a massive waste of resources when we spent almost all of a game recruiting and building relationships with the most badass heroes the galaxy had to offer.

A few characters may be missing, but sure as hell not many.

Yea...this gets me too. Sure, ME2 peeps could be dead, but you literally need a GUIDE to get more than one or two people to die. The vast majority will have most if not all squaddies alive.

The argument is that BW won't waste resources on potentially dead squadmates...

But then again, would they waste resources creating and fleshing out 12 brand new ones when they already have 12 that will, in most people's games, be mostly alive, if not all?

That's the big one imo. And thus I think they'll end up writing off the least popular ones and filling them with a few new ones, just to keep it fresh.

That's just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around.

I hope this is what they do... Honestly I think its what they are going to do, simply from a financial standpoint as well as a plot standpoint. First of all, after the first Mass Effect there was a legitimate reason for your loyal squad leaving you: you died. However, there is no indication (although there wasn't any at the end of the first game either, but I doubt Bioware will do anything like that again) that your squad has any intention of leaving you between the games. Most of them are fiercely loyal to you, and the rest have promised to see the fight with the reapers through. For them to just leave doesn't make sense from a plot standpoint. Also, it would seem that finding and casting brand new voice actors, writing a dozen brand new characters and getting them to work with the cameos that would be your old squad just seems like a massive waste of resources. I can't imagine Bioware will waste the resources available to them on creating a brand new squad. It just doesn't make sense for them to do that. 

Besides, what meaningful impact would it have on the game if you just lost some cameo with two lines of dialog in ME3 if you got them killed in 2? I don't want to walk up to a cameo Garrus commanding the Turian fleet and say "good luck in the fight buddy" and be done with Garrus. That would SERIOUSLY ****** me off. What if Legion just goes to the Geth and commands their fleet and you never talk to him again? What if Tali goes to the Migrant Fleet and becomes an admiral or something? It just doesn't make any sense for them to do that... especially since everyone wants more in depth characters, and the best way to make an in depth character is to continue them from game to game. 

I feel connected (in a video game sense people, I have real friends too ) in some way to the squad members in Mass Effect 1 and 2, and as much as I disliked Ash/Kai (personal opinion guys) it was a shame I couldn't fight along side them anymore. Same with Liara and especially Wrex. Bioware can't just make a gem of a game in ME2, create in depth characters and throw them away a game later. I just can't see that. 

Sorry for the rant guys I just have really strong feelings about this topic. I love the Mass Effect universe, and I would feel betrayed by Bioware if they took my favorite characters and made them into cameos for what should be the most dramatic and intense of the three games. 

[KainrycKarr]

Bioware is backed by EA: if EA really wants new and edgy characters, it *will* happen. That's my only real worry.

[xlavaina]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Bioware is backed by EA: if EA really wants new and edgy characters, it *will* happen. That's my only real worry.

Yeah thats unfortunately the relationship between devs and publishers. But hopefully EA has some brains and doesn't put that burden upon Bioware.

[cronosfire]

everyone has good points and believe me i agree with most of you im hoping for a return of most if not all squadmates that survived and maybe a couple of new ones

[PWENER]

New squadmates? We have enough already. The only "new" squadies I want are Anderson & Kai Leng (from the latest ME book).



I especially want Anderson. He kicks ass.

[shinobi602]

You guys don't think Bioware thought of all this and planned ahead during the whole development of the game? They just threw in all these scraps at the last minute?



*facepalm*

[Dan-mac RI]

I think the line up for ME3 will be: Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Legion, Jacob, Virmire survivor, perhaps Liara



Reasons for those who got cut

Thane: Terminal sickness

Grunt: Now has a new clan on tuchanka

Mordin: 50 years old is very old for salarians dies

Jack: Who the hell knows what she will do

Wrex: Has to remain the leader of the clan

Kasumi: Hired hand, leaves to go back to stealing

Zaeed: Hired hand, goes back to shooting stuff

Samara: Oath fulfilled go back to righting wrongs



Reasons for those who stay

Garrus: He's got nothing better to do

Tali: Even if rejected still has massive crush on male shep. Reason for staying with fem shep "It's for the good of the fleet"

Miranda: Knows the situation and stays

Jacob: Same thing as miri

Legion: Objective: Stop collectors.......complete. Mission: Stop Old Machines..........Incomplete

Virmire Survivor: Gets over INSANE paranoia begs for forgiveness.

Liara: After shadow broker DLC, will have nothing better to do

[Moiaussi]

Grunt has nothing better to do either, really. So he has a new clan. Shep is still his battlemaster, and the head of Grunt's new clan is Wrex.

50 might be old for a Salarian, but Mordin seems in good health and it is not a given that it will be set too much later.

As for the 'guns for hire', why suddenly stop paying them when all of civilization is at stake?

Given what they did with ME2, though, all bets really are off. We can't expect rational continutiy given that.

[epoch_]

KainrycKarr wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

The only reason the squad mates play such a big role in ME3 is because BW realized they didn't have enough story for 3 games and they needed filler for the middle game. The characters are irrelevant.

We'll see.

We certainly will.

[Miramar52]

In my opinion ME3 should have all the ME2 squad members (if they survived), including Liara and the Virmire Survivor. It would just upset a bunch of fans if they totally discarded them.



I also think casting out “unpopular” characters is equally a bad idea. Some people may not like a certain character but as the forums have shown, they all have big fan bases.



And the whole “Mordin and Thane will die in the beginning of ME3” argument…well we can’t say for sure, but I think ME3 will take place, at the most, in a year from ME2. (There is a sense of urgency after the ending of ME2.) Yes, Mordin is 50, however that is in salarian years, placing his actual age at around his 30’s, meaning he has at least 10 more years to live. As for Thane, I can’t say for certain, but it would be a pity to see a character that had so much personality and history to just go, “bye bye!” and die.

[kglaser]

epoch_ wrote...

The only reason the squad mates play such a big role in ME3 is because BW realized they didn't have enough story for 3 games and they needed filler for the middle game. The characters are irrelevant.

IMHO, Bioware characters are *never* irrelevant.  They're one of the very best things about the company.

[xlavaina]

Dan-mac RI wrote...

I think the line up for ME3 will be: Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Legion, Jacob, Virmire survivor, perhaps Liara

Reasons for those who got cut
Thane: Terminal sickness
Grunt: Now has a new clan on tuchanka
Mordin: 50 years old is very old for salarians dies
Jack: Who the hell knows what she will do
Wrex: Has to remain the leader of the clan
Kasumi: Hired hand, leaves to go back to stealing
Zaeed: Hired hand, goes back to shooting stuff
Samara: Oath fulfilled go back to righting wrongs

Reasons for those who stay
Garrus: He's got nothing better to do
Tali: Even if rejected still has massive crush on male shep. Reason for staying with fem shep "It's for the good of the fleet"
Miranda: Knows the situation and stays
Jacob: Same thing as miri
Legion: Objective: Stop collectors.......complete. Mission: Stop Old Machines..........Incomplete
Virmire Survivor: Gets over INSANE paranoia begs for forgiveness.
Liara: After shadow broker DLC, will have nothing better to do

Everything you've said here makes perfect sense. Its unfortunate to lose Wrex, Grunt and Thane though... and especially Mordin, but what you've said is logical and hopefully it plays out like you said.

[Skyblade012]

Given that Mordin and Thane aren't likely to live, I understand them not coming along in ME3. But we had better get to attend their funerals and say farewell, if we want. Sort of like the "Normandy Crash Site" mission.  No fighting, just paying our respects to an awesome assassin and the very model of a scientist Salarian.

Modifié par Skyblade012, 27 août 2010 - 03:19 .

[xlavaina]

Skyblade I would personally like that. But lets also consider something else. How long exactly will it take for the Reapers to actually reach the Milky Way? From the looks of it, they were relatively far away, as the entire galaxy was visible. It could potentially take years for the Reapers to reach us. Or the scale was not relative, and they could show up any second. Bioware could really take whatever path they wanted. If they want Thane and Mordin to live they will live.

[Skyblade012]

xlavaina wrote...

Skyblade I would personally like that. But lets also consider something else. How long exactly will it take for the Reapers to actually reach the Milky Way? From the looks of it, they were relatively far away, as the entire galaxy was visible. It could potentially take years for the Reapers to reach us. Or the scale was not relative, and they could show up any second. Bioware could really take whatever path they wanted. If they want Thane and Mordin to live they will live.

Oh, I totally agree.  If they live, I'm ok with that.  I'm just saying, that if they die, we should get some sort of remembrance for them. 

[Fanbus]

Agree with the OP as well.



Actually if Miranda isn't in ME3 as a continued romantic interest, I'm not even bothering. Nothing in the game caught my attention, I'm not really into these types of games. I'm mostly either an MMOer or a sandbox game-gamer. I got it thinking it was a sandbox game.

[Asheer_Khan]

All those concerns lead me to decision to wait with ME 3 purchasing until first fan made reviews (here on this forum) will surfaced and tell "what is inside".



However i think good hint in what way ME 3 will move could be LotSB DLC... IF he will be really set up post C-Base time.

[ShadoX_LV]

Well, the choices from ME1 barely had a impact on the second game.. and it seems like plenty of people would have problems with that.. including choices actually not carrying over..



Yeah, ME is kinda disappointing in that sense, because it was supposed to be that big selling point.. Sure I saw characters that survived the first game, but how often? I save Wrex only to see him once during the whole game? Same applies for Ashly and pretty much every other character besides Garrus and Tali.. (Garrus FTW)



I was expecting my choices to impact the second game in a big way.. and not cameos like emails and characters that I only see once during a 40 hour trip through the galaxy..



Anyway, regarding your concerns.. Technically all they need to do is to make everyone record the same lines.. so that if someone died, that he can easily be replaced by another character..



It just means more work for both dev and voice actors.. But its hard to see my choices have a big impact on ME3 after seeing what they did with the second game.. :/