TimtheEnchanter wrote...
I'm afraid Bioware is going to take the easy route with ME3.
You're going to rally all the races to fight the reapers, and every race you visit will send along an brandnew squadmate.
Modifié par Marzillius, 27 août 2010 - 07:32 .
IMHO, ALL the squadmates from ME1 & ME2 will be IN the game; however, ONLY the ones that you chose to survive will be on YOUR team in ME3. Therefore, if 4 of ME2 squad died, they will not appear in your ME3 squad. Several of the ME2 squadmates were doing it as a "one shot" deal; Kasumi & Zaeed were PAID, Thane (doing it gratis) is dying, Jack wants to survive then split, and Samara wants to return to her Justicar thing. 12 minus 5 = seven + Liara & Virmire survivor (Kaidan or Ashley), or fewer if some died in the final ME2 Collector Base battle. In ME3 you 'could' have as few as 4, 2 survivors each from ME1 & ME2 or as many as 9 to 12. We'll have to wait and see (OH NO! not another 'bridge' DLC) what BW has in store. I personally expect to start all over again when ME3 arrives from ME1 to ME2 to have the final outcome the way that I want it to end (Jack "AH S**T!").AntiChri5 wrote...
Mass Effect 2 was about 2 things, building a team and taking out the Collectors.
There were three missions where you fought Collectors, and there are about 20 character missions.
There is no denying that Mass Effect 2 was about building a squad, if this swuad is not utilised in Mass Effect 3 then ME 2 was all about stalling untill the end of the trilogy because they couldnt find a plot for the middle.
Modifié par JockBuster, 27 août 2010 - 08:21 .
AntiChri5 wrote...
Thanes disease is problematic, but they can always handwave it.
Honestly the only ones i dont think will return are Zaeed and Kasumi.
Dan-mac RI wrote...
I think the line up for ME3 will be: Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Legion, Jacob, Virmire survivor, perhaps Liara
Reasons for those who got cut
Thane: Terminal sickness
Grunt: Now has a new clan on tuchanka
Mordin: 50 years old is very old for salarians dies
Jack: Who the hell knows what she will do
Wrex: Has to remain the leader of the clan
Kasumi: Hired hand, leaves to go back to stealing
Zaeed: Hired hand, goes back to shooting stuff
Samara: Oath fulfilled go back to righting wrongs
Reasons for those who stay
Garrus: He's got nothing better to do
Tali: Even if rejected still has massive crush on male shep. Reason for staying with fem shep "It's for the good of the fleet"
Miranda: Knows the situation and stays
Jacob: Same thing as miri
Legion: Objective: Stop collectors.......complete. Mission: Stop Old Machines..........Incomplete
Virmire Survivor: Gets over INSANE paranoia begs for forgiveness.
Liara: After shadow broker DLC, will have nothing better to do
BurningArmor wrote...
I'm not sure Shepard would feel comfortable with the return of the Virmire survivor. That was some serious bridge burning on Horizon.
BurningArmor wrote...
I have few differences of opinion in speculating who is where.
Grunt is the first. He may spend some time on Tuchanka to have some kids, but I think the Urdnot leaders (Wrex or his brother) are wise enough to realize it is good having a warrior on Shepard's team. If for no other reason than the gathering of intel about what the Reapers are doing, Grunt could very well be there.
I agree, but this depends on the plot (Mass Effect time) time difference between 2 and 3. If short, Grunt will probably stay with you, if long, Grunt will probably get caught up in Tuchanka politics since he defeated the thresher maw.
If Jack is loyal, she will stay. She does get that "warm feeling" when fighting. Shepard seems to find alot of fightseven if he doesn't go pirate. If she is not loyal, and she survived, Jack might have to be put off the ship for going after Miranda.
The entire team seems to be much more unified and definitely much more loyal to Shepard. Jack seems to also be much more loyal to Shepard, but she still hates Cerberus. Now that Shep has broken ties with Cerberus, there are no indications she will leave.
Kasumi and Zaeed I think would stay if Cerberus continues to pay them. If not, Kasumi might stay as she does seem to be living in style. Also the working passage to target rich worlds might appeal. If the pay stops coming to Zaeed, it might depend on whether Santiago is dead or not. If dead, he stays because he knows a revelation when he hears one. If Santiago lives, Zaeed either goes hunting or stays on the promise that Shepard helps Zaeed find and kill Santiago once and for all.
This could go either way. Kasumi might just stay because she seems to really like Shepard, but I still don't know if she prefers fighting the Reapers to stealing stuff. Zaeed is a mixed bag. He obviously respects shepard, but as you said, if Santiago (by the way I think his name is Vedo) lives, he'll probably split.
If Tali is not Shepard's love interest, she might feel compelled to return to the migrant fleet to hide her disappointment. With her history of fighting the Geth, it would be real easy to see Tali getting quickly wrapped up in the politics ofher people. It would also not be beyond reason that Tali be given her own command. Either case could work out well for Shepard.
I agree with most of this but I still disagree more than any other point. Tali had been attached to Shepard since ME1, even if you were a total jerk to her. In ME2, the only way I could see her leaving is if you give the Admiralty board the evidence. And even then, she might have no loyalty towards you, but she still comes back to your ship, and is still vas Normandy (I think, but I have never taken this path). But you are correct that the Admiralty board will probably want an adequate replacement for Rael; but again, she is vas Normandy, and that is a large commitment for Quarians.
I'm not sure Shepard would feel comfortable with the return of the Virmire survivor. That was some serious bridge burning on Horizon. Add to that, the bull from Delan. Limiting the Collector take was the only positive thing that happened there.
Totally agree. Ashley and Kaiden seem to completely hate you now. However, you did break ties with Cerberus at the end of ME2, so this could be enough to bring them back.
Liara might not come back still. Once the Shadow Broker is (are) dead, she may claim the Shadow Broker's information network for herself. The improved intelligence Shepard would have access to could make the difference in the fight to come.
This hugely rides on the end of Lair of the Shadow Broker. But yes she might come back.
cronosfire wrote...
wow never expected this much feedback but a lot of you have good points. i kinda feel like bioware has put a huge amount of time on this game and im hoping that most if not all of my squad mates return and the love interest as well.
TimtheEnchanter wrote...
I'm afraid Bioware is going to take the easy route with ME3.
You're going to rally all the races to fight the reapers, and every race you visit will send along an brandnew squadmate.
Shadow_broker wrote...
Miranda, Legion and grunt are all i need to return
Mordin and thane need to be written off well
Garrus/tali cameo
Jack maybe if she gets revamp
Rest can never be mentioned again for all i care
xlavaina wrote...
TimtheEnchanter wrote...
I'm afraid Bioware is going to take the easy route with ME3.
You're going to rally all the races to fight the reapers, and every race you visit will send along an brandnew squadmate.
I have a very simple reaction to this: If Bioware gives me twelve new squad members, I don't buy the game.
ExtremeOne wrote...
Shadow_broker wrote...
Miranda, Legion and grunt are all i need to return
Mordin and thane need to be written off well
Garrus/tali cameo
Jack maybe if she gets revamp
Rest can never be mentioned again for all i care
good thinking though. I would say tali , thane and mordin as well jack can all go back to where ever they come from. Miranda , Grunt , Legion , Garrus , Jacob , Samara and Zaeed as well kasumi is all I need for ME 3. oh and joker as well edi.
crimzontearz wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Shadow_broker wrote...
Miranda, Legion and grunt are all i need to return
Mordin and thane need to be written off well
Garrus/tali cameo
Jack maybe if she gets revamp
Rest can never be mentioned again for all i care
good thinking though. I would say tali , thane and mordin as well jack can all go back to where ever they come from. Miranda , Grunt , Legion , Garrus , Jacob , Samara and Zaeed as well kasumi is all I need for ME 3. oh and joker as well edi.
Those are YOUR prefences, everyone else should have them shoved down their throats in ME3. Bioware should bring back everyone, if people killed off their squad then they should be made to deal with the consequences of such and therefore with less content
at that point everyone is happy aside for the immensely small minority of those who played a ****** poor run and never bothered to try and improve it (aka the meathead casual gamers)
xlavaina wrote...
I completely agree. We should get everyone back (at least from ME2). And the idiots who "just want to see how crappy they can make ME3 to challenge Bioware and test their development skills" can screw off. Bioware should definitely make these people deal with the consequences of killing off all but two of their squad. Basically, these gamers can only play with two people for the entire game. This would add a degree of scope; that the decisions you make actually have a tangible impact on the game.
xlavaina wrote...
I completely agree. We should get everyone back (at least from ME2). And the idiots who "just want to see how crappy they can make ME3 to challenge Bioware and test their development skills" can screw off. Bioware should definitely make these people deal with the consequences of killing off all but two of their squad. Basically, these gamers can only play with two people for the entire game. This would add a degree of scope; that the decisions you make actually have a tangible impact on the game.
ExtremeOne wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Shadow_broker wrote...
Miranda, Legion and grunt are all i need to return
Mordin and thane need to be written off well
Garrus/tali cameo
Jack maybe if she gets revamp
Rest can never be mentioned again for all i care
good thinking though. I would say tali , thane and mordin as well jack can all go back to where ever they come from. Miranda , Grunt , Legion , Garrus , Jacob , Samara and Zaeed as well kasumi is all I need for ME 3. oh and joker as well edi.
Those are YOUR prefences, everyone else should have them shoved down their throats in ME3. Bioware should bring back everyone, if people killed off their squad then they should be made to deal with the consequences of such and therefore with less content
at that point everyone is happy aside for the immensely small minority of those who played a ****** poor run and never bothered to try and improve it (aka the meathead casual gamers)
ME 3 with out tali. mordin , jack, thane would be fine by me. and if bioware says if you kill squad mates in the final mission then they will not be in your ME 3 then thats all good for me. if others like those useless characters then fine. but I will not be shedding any tears over those losses. I do not need some whiny quarian little girl screaming shepard i trusted you crap while I am kicking the reapers's butt in ME 3
crimzontearz wrote...
xlavaina wrote...
I completely agree. We should get everyone back (at least from ME2). And the idiots who "just want to see how crappy they can make ME3 to challenge Bioware and test their development skills" can screw off. Bioware should definitely make these people deal with the consequences of killing off all but two of their squad. Basically, these gamers can only play with two people for the entire game. This would add a degree of scope; that the decisions you make actually have a tangible impact on the game.
no, those people choose to kill everyone off..thyey probably WANT to deal with less squadmates in ME3...and they will probably be HAPPY with it so they are all set
the people that would be the most dissatisfied would be
1: those who played poorly and did not care
and
2: those who are starting the game on chapter 3 (sorry but I disagree that they should be catered to THIS much)
ExtremeOne wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
xlavaina wrote...
I completely agree. We should get everyone back (at least from ME2). And the idiots who "just want to see how crappy they can make ME3 to challenge Bioware and test their development skills" can screw off. Bioware should definitely make these people deal with the consequences of killing off all but two of their squad. Basically, these gamers can only play with two people for the entire game. This would add a degree of scope; that the decisions you make actually have a tangible impact on the game.
no, those people choose to kill everyone off..thyey probably WANT to deal with less squadmates in ME3...and they will probably be HAPPY with it so they are all set
the people that would be the most dissatisfied would be
1: those who played poorly and did not care
and
2: those who are starting the game on chapter 3 (sorry but I disagree that they should be catered to THIS much)
ME 2 was made for everyone do you really think EA will make ME 3 strictly for the ones who played 1 and 2. not likely. plus the squad mates that are in ME 3 should either be a default version or the one you have from importing the ME 2 save over. but this idea that games need to be restricted is a bunch of sh*t.
crimzontearz wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Shadow_broker wrote...
Miranda, Legion and grunt are all i need to return
Mordin and thane need to be written off well
Garrus/tali cameo
Jack maybe if she gets revamp
Rest can never be mentioned again for all i care
good thinking though. I would say tali , thane and mordin as well jack can all go back to where ever they come from. Miranda , Grunt , Legion , Garrus , Jacob , Samara and Zaeed as well kasumi is all I need for ME 3. oh and joker as well edi.
Those are YOUR prefences, everyone else should have them shoved down their throats in ME3. Bioware should bring back everyone, if people killed off their squad then they should be made to deal with the consequences of such and therefore with less content
at that point everyone is happy aside for the immensely small minority of those who played a ****** poor run and never bothered to try and improve it (aka the meathead casual gamers)
ME 3 with out tali. mordin , jack, thane would be fine by me. and if bioware says if you kill squad mates in the final mission then they will not be in your ME 3 then thats all good for me. if others like those useless characters then fine. but I will not be shedding any tears over those losses. I do not need some whiny quarian little girl screaming shepard i trusted you crap while I am kicking the reapers's butt in ME 3
and I do not need a moronic brit mercenary bringing on his own brand of sociopathy in ME3 since I mostly play Paragon, you do not see me advocating the removal of Zaeed tho do you?
crimzontearz wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
xlavaina wrote...
I completely agree. We should get everyone back (at least from ME2). And the idiots who "just want to see how crappy they can make ME3 to challenge Bioware and test their development skills" can screw off. Bioware should definitely make these people deal with the consequences of killing off all but two of their squad. Basically, these gamers can only play with two people for the entire game. This would add a degree of scope; that the decisions you make actually have a tangible impact on the game.
no, those people choose to kill everyone off..thyey probably WANT to deal with less squadmates in ME3...and they will probably be HAPPY with it so they are all set
the people that would be the most dissatisfied would be
1: those who played poorly and did not care
and
2: those who are starting the game on chapter 3 (sorry but I disagree that they should be catered to THIS much)
ME 2 was made for everyone do you really think EA will make ME 3 strictly for the ones who played 1 and 2. not likely. plus the squad mates that are in ME 3 should either be a default version or the one you have from importing the ME 2 save over. but this idea that games need to be restricted is a bunch of sh*t.
I NEVEr said the game should be restricted. Although, The people who did not bother playing the prequels are catered to to the point that those who played ME1 and 2 are the ones getting the short end of the stick. Players who start ME on the third chapter should get a "default" squad pre established by Bioware without making a whole new squad for the sake of having a "smooth entry point"
KainrycKarr wrote...
I think Bioware will end up bringing back the most popular characters (most used, and most romanced, according to the data they get from Cerberus Network; yes, they track it. It says so when you install the game), and give the others cameos.
ExtremeOne wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
ExtremeOne wrote...
Shadow_broker wrote...
Miranda, Legion and grunt are all i need to return
Mordin and thane need to be written off well
Garrus/tali cameo
Jack maybe if she gets revamp
Rest can never be mentioned again for all i care
good thinking though. I would say tali , thane and mordin as well jack can all go back to where ever they come from. Miranda , Grunt , Legion , Garrus , Jacob , Samara and Zaeed as well kasumi is all I need for ME 3. oh and joker as well edi.
Those are YOUR prefences, everyone else should have them shoved down their throats in ME3. Bioware should bring back everyone, if people killed off their squad then they should be made to deal with the consequences of such and therefore with less content
at that point everyone is happy aside for the immensely small minority of those who played a ****** poor run and never bothered to try and improve it (aka the meathead casual gamers)
ME 3 with out tali. mordin , jack, thane would be fine by me. and if bioware says if you kill squad mates in the final mission then they will not be in your ME 3 then thats all good for me. if others like those useless characters then fine. but I will not be shedding any tears over those losses. I do not need some whiny quarian little girl screaming shepard i trusted you crap while I am kicking the reapers's butt in ME 3
and I do not need a moronic brit mercenary bringing on his own brand of sociopathy in ME3 since I mostly play Paragon, you do not see me advocating the removal of Zaeed tho do you?
I am not advocating anything I am simply giving my view on the ones I would like back in ME 3. thats nice you play as a do gooder in ME 2. but Tali and jack as well thane and mordin can all jump in a lake for all i care.
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