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[Maugrim]

AlanC9 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
Kotor 1 - Didn't have it, not really and only for females. And in additional to having less written is an alien.

Is "alien" supposed to be a bad thing?

Yes absolutely being alien is horrible! Worst. Thing. Ever!

The point is that someone falling in love with an alien would be much more....unsual than falling in love with someone of the same-sex.  Realistically the cultural/physical difference between an opposite sex, cross species couple is going to be greater than that of a same species, same-sex couple. 

I'm sure the my nomenclature for all that could be better but the point is made.

[burrito]

Saibh wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Yeah never is a very long time. Personally though instead of exclusively gay characters I would like to see all romanceable characters be available for same-sex and hetero relationships. Not because I'm opposed to gay-only LIs, I just think you get more mileage out of it in that case and more options. I'd rather have inclusivity than exclusivity.

I kindly disagree. A whole set of bisexual love interests is plain unrealistic. That's four characters that are bisexual in an eight (or nine) person party. Take the Mass Effect franchise and that makes nine people out of your crew bisexual. Five of the original six. Not to mention the flings. It's weird enough that everyone wants to get into Shep's pants already.

Well its is a fantasy world so nothing is unrealistic.

[Anarya]

Saibh wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Yeah never is a very long time. Personally though instead of exclusively gay characters I would like to see all romanceable characters be available for same-sex and hetero relationships. Not because I'm opposed to gay-only LIs, I just think you get more mileage out of it in that case and more options. I'd rather have inclusivity than exclusivity.

I kindly disagree. A whole set of bisexual love interests is plain unrealistic. That's four characters that are bisexual in an eight (or nine) person party. Take the Mass Effect franchise and that makes nine people out of your crew bisexual. Five of the original six. Not to mention the flings. It's weird enough that everyone wants to get into Shep's pants already.

I wasn't really thinking of having bisexuality be a major personality facet for these characters. Granted my idea would work best if the PC was always the initiator of the relationship. So you could just selectively flirt with whichever LI you wanted and for all you know, everyone else could be gay or straight or whatever. Or romance them all and have a statistically improbable crew.

But hm, there would be problems with that, true. You raised some good points. I don't really think realism is a huge thing for me in the context of relationships in a videogame though. I'd be willing to suspend disbelief for inclusivity.

[Saibh]

burrito wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Yeah never is a very long time. Personally though instead of exclusively gay characters I would like to see all romanceable characters be available for same-sex and hetero relationships. Not because I'm opposed to gay-only LIs, I just think you get more mileage out of it in that case and more options. I'd rather have inclusivity than exclusivity.

I kindly disagree. A whole set of bisexual love interests is plain unrealistic. That's four characters that are bisexual in an eight (or nine) person party. Take the Mass Effect franchise and that makes nine people out of your crew bisexual. Five of the original six. Not to mention the flings. It's weird enough that everyone wants to get into Shep's pants already.

Well its is a fantasy world so nothing is unrealistic.

I choose you, Willing Suspension of Disbelief! In a fantasy, you know that, say, abominations don't exist. They can make up whatever they please about them, so long as they are consistent, because there is no real world example to compare them to.

But you know that in real life, bisexuality comprimises I think...one percent? was that the figure?...of world population. Obviously that's not wholly accurate, but it is tiny. It breaks that suspension to have five of your six companions, and everyone who is interested in you, be bisexual. I can compare it against real life and find that, in this situation, my belief in a "realistic" fantasy setting is heavily tested.

EDIT: Ta-da! Figures! I know it's Wikipedia, but it is sourced. Like I said, I was trying (and failing) to recall the figure.

Modifié par Saibh, 26 août 2010 - 06:56 .

[Collider]

I prefer variation - I like the idea of a party filled with very different characters. That includes orientations. Ultimately it's not something I really care about, but I lean towards having bisexual/gay characters but not everyone being one single orientation.

[Maugrim]

I have to disagree with you as well Saibh.  First of all arguments about realism in a fantasy or sci-fi setting are just non-starters.  Not the mention the 'If It's You It's Ok" is a standard trope.  I would also remind at this time that Tropes Are Tools and neither good nor bad.  Personally I think this particular trope fits the DA and ME settings, in both cases are characters are just that damn good.

[Arrtis]

Its more likely though that they would be only straight.......its realistic...

[burrito]

Saibh wrote...

burrito wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Yeah never is a very long time. Personally though instead of exclusively gay characters I would like to see all romanceable characters be available for same-sex and hetero relationships. Not because I'm opposed to gay-only LIs, I just think you get more mileage out of it in that case and more options. I'd rather have inclusivity than exclusivity.

I kindly disagree. A whole set of bisexual love interests is plain unrealistic. That's four characters that are bisexual in an eight (or nine) person party. Take the Mass Effect franchise and that makes nine people out of your crew bisexual. Five of the original six. Not to mention the flings. It's weird enough that everyone wants to get into Shep's pants already.

Well its is a fantasy world so nothing is unrealistic.

I choose you, Willing Suspension of Disbelief! In a fantasy, you know that, say, abominations don't exist. They can make up whatever they please about them, so long as they are consistent, because there is no real world example to compare them to.

But you know that in real life, bisexuality comprimises I think...one percent? was that the figure?...of world population. Obviously that's not wholly accurate, but it is tiny. It breaks that suspension to have five of your six companions, and everyone who is interested in you, be bisexual. I can compare it against real life and find that, in this situation, my belief in a "realistic" fantasy setting is heavily tested.

A girl I dated my freshman year of college was bi. So there is your bisexual. lol

[Boombox]

I fully support this.. but we'll probably get some "sorry, pre-defined" speech or be told theres no gays in the Free Marches.

[Arrtis]

Doubt it...since you know people can travel to the free marches like zevran.

[burrito]

Boombox wrote...

I fully support this.. but we'll probably get some "sorry, pre-defined" speech or be told theres no gays in the Free Marches.

I dont support gay romances, I just want threesomes. lol

[trying_touch]

i'm perfectly happy with a completely bi party of romancables... or straight but just gay for my hawke...



anyway... can i just say that i am optimistic that there will be gay romance option in DA2?



and that all this debate of realism and profitability is getting silly... too complicated for a simple wish... please have gay romance...



no need for realism... and as i had said, better a bad one than none...

[Arrtis]

Confirmed that there will be one straight female....

[burrito]

Arrtis wrote...

Confirmed that there will be one straight female....

I hope she has big boobs

[Saibh]

trying_touch wrote...

and that all this debate of realism and profitability is getting silly... too complicated for a simple wish... please have gay romance...

Explain to me, how? BioWare games always are rooted in reality, in believability. It's the reason I prefer them over JRPGs, which often take a toll on my idea of what a "real" character is like. I defended gay options earlier, and I will continue to. However, I feel I must also defend realism in the story as well. I already explained why having an entirely bisexual party would bend the willing suspension of disbelief.

Modifié par Saibh, 26 août 2010 - 07:16 .

[burrito]

Well it is realistic that everyone in Hawke's party is straight?

[Maugrim]

People really need to not bring percentages and numbers regarding the prevalence of homosexuality into the argument because it becomes blatantly clear that people on both sides are pulling numbers from their posteriors.

[GameBoyish]

I think it would be great if they gave us more same sex romances, but if possible, make some exclusively heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual. Variety is the spice of life...



I heard it was a pain to design love scenes in DAO... I think it would be alright to leave them out and use better writing and a bit of what ME2 did (teasers?). Because watching my PC dry humping Zevran was weird... The mods are kinda awkward too (even though they are more NSFW than the vanilla). It would be sweet if good writing makes you feel the ROMANCE.



Those who argue over "not worth the budget" reminds me of them ppl at the Dwarf Lovin' thread... T_T

[Maverick827]

burrito wrote...

Well it is realistic that everyone in Hawke's party is straight?

Well, latest research says that about 1 in 20 people identify themselves as LBG, so yes, it is very realistic that a group of 19 or less people is entirely straight.

[GameBoyish]

5 outta 20 are still in their closet or "down low"...

[Maverick827]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

5 outta 20 are still in their closet or "down low"...

That is not a statistic that is possible to track.

This, however, is as best as we can do:

If you mean people who identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual in a survey, then the answer is that it’s likely not one in ten, but closer to one in twenty. A recent government survey found that 4 percent of adults aged 18-45 identified as “homosexual” or “bisexual”.

A little Googling isn't very difficult, is it?  This was literally the first hit for "how many gay people are there?"

http://gaylife.about...a/garygates.htm

[Maugrim]

*blam* Pull again!

[HarryThePlotter]

makenzieshepard wrote...

*blam* Pull again!

Numbers in Psychology related issues make me laugh.

[Krista021]

If it´s believable that there are things like dragons, darkspawn, mages, abominations, werewolves etc., why wouldn´t it be believable that the people of Thedas have a higher chance of being bisexual or gay?

[HarryThePlotter]

PhoneticKupo wrote...

If it´s believable that there are things like dragons, darkspawn, mages, abominations, werewolves etc., why wouldn´t it be believable that the people of Thedas have a higher chance of being bisexual or gay?

Or not being Homosexuals at all? You can argue either way VERY successfully. I would suggest avoiding logical fallacy.