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HAHA yes :o!! Morrigan's army comes in with the reinforcements! Thanks guys :D

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The wardens story is NOT boring, Come the end of the DA:O;DA:A, and all DLC, yes the things to do WITH the warden are now getting a tad boring and thin on the ground IMO. Not another entire game of same, is all I said!

I
can agree with that to an extent, the fault rests with BioWare not
having a plan in place for their DLC model. Instead they have a
wishy-washy "so, what shall we make this month" approach and we got real
treats like Feastday Gifts & DS Chronicles (I believe the devs
reasoning was "we're just trying different things"). What we could of
had is some actual decent episodic content that actually enticed the
player into buying the next DLC instead of worrying how it would fail to
meet their expectations. It could have built up to something and
maintained some of the momentum of the original plot, instead they
allowed it to fizzle out.

Due to the complete lack of direction
post-Origins it is perhaps a more viable solution to develop the plot in
other areas - Flemeth, Chantry etc, in order to get the ball
definitively rolling (in one specific direction) before hopefully
concluding Morrigan's arc in a fitting manner. According to comments by
Gaider/Laidlaw that appears to be what they are doing, setting the stage
for certain events in the future. Thus, so long as the warden can play a
part in the finale of Morrigan's arc (which I believe the WH endings
set the initial groundwork for), there's no problem with DA2 from a
story perspective in my eyes. Based solely on the devs comments, hints
and the stopgap pseudo-closure we got from WH I can get on board with
DA2 for now, though my concerns with the changes are many (that's a
whole other topic though). Let's hope we don't have the same spiders web
of hit and miss DLCs for DA2.


I completely agree with this. If there was a complete, well-thought-out plan for the DLC process, then the DLCs would have been better in quality and enjoyment. This, also, is probably why most players who aren't advocates of a Warden/Morrigan/OGB continuation past-DA2 are not as enthused about the idea of the Warden coming back after DA2's story is done... which is a real shame. I seriously think if this was planned out more, the Warden can appear as a stronger character for those who aren't convinced, even if me and others like myself thing the warden can stand on his/her own in character progression and relevance

also...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

To think we could have had a DA equivalent of Shadowbroker. That ability
resides in Bioware, we all know it.  Instead of borrowing the good from
ME, they borrow all the things most of us would like to see
improved/changed in ME.  Talk about irony. 


further bringing up DAO's DLC collection as being quite inferior compared to a lot of DLC, especially ME's. Shadowbroker, from what I've heard (I've had no interest in playing it yet), was absolutely stellar compared to Witch Hunt, and honestly, there is NO logical reason why other than a rush-job on the DA team's part. Just as an example of another studio's "dlc," take into consideration "Dead Rising 2: Case Zero." This prologue mission was a perfect "demo" of Dead Rising 2, but at the same time, had a completely different map developed, and had a phenomenal story for the size of the DLC, and included all the things required for the Dead Rising franchise (tons and tons of respawning zombies, a good collection of survivors to rescue in the time alloted, a time-limit to complete the main objectives, and an psychopath fight). Overall, though I think it was more expensive, quality-wise, Case Zero was probably more worth it than Witch Hunt, even if I got more of an emotional payoff from Witch Hunt.

oh, and Barbarossa, thank you for the compliment about the thread. As futile of an effort as this is, at the time I made it, it just felt right to stand up and say "damnit Priestly, you tease us, as well as Gaider... well this is what we want!!!" :). and I don't care how myopic some consider this effort to be. It is for a noble and true cause.

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 some measure of *gasp* continuity
between the DLC would have been nice. And heck, just look at the reviews
for all of Origins' DLC- they're routinely in the 50s on metarcritic
while ME2's are high 70s or high 80s. Its one thing to try different
things, but in doing so with much of the DLC, they missed the whole
point people play BioWare games- the characters and the story. Witch
Hunt was a step in the right direction, but that just felt like a much
longer story being crammed into a tiny DLC.


yikes... only 50s OVERALL? That's sad... Whats even sadder, to me, is that I honestly don't think "Witch Hunt" was ever reviewed on G4 (neither AOTS or X-play), while Shadowbroker got decent coverage on the channel. And Brock, I agree that the DLC setup was a little haphazard, even if Bioware was just trying different things. I haven't played Golems yet, but from what I heard of that, as well as my experience with Witch Hunt, there were just things missing, storywise. I honestly think, at the VERY LEAST, some selection option could have been in place after importing a Warden where you get to choose a Rogue to go with you on the adventure (because no rogue is given in the dlc), and dialogue and banter could change depending on who you picked, as well as dialogue for confronting Morrigan (could have been any rogue: Zevran, Leliana, Sigrun, Nathaniel). The potential there could have been awesome.

Anyway, bringing the Warden back in the future would help to do him/her justice after the wierd DLC path taken with DAO.

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I naturally support a return for the warden in a future title for reasons I've detailed at length elsewhere. As has been discussed and considering the current direction DA2 is probably not the right time for it, especially as DA2 is set to tell a very specific story about one particular individual.

Spuudle wrote...
The wardens story is NOT boring, Come the end of the DA:O;DA:A, and all DLC, yes the things to do WITH the warden are now getting a tad boring and thin on the ground IMO. Not another entire game of same, is all I said!

I can agree with that to an extent, the fault rests with BioWare not having a plan in place for their DLC model. Instead they have a wishy-washy "so, what shall we make this month" approach and we got real treats like Feastday Gifts & DS Chronicles (I believe the devs reasoning was "we're just trying different things"). What we could of had is some actual decent episodic content that actually enticed the player into buying the next DLC instead of worrying how it would fail to meet their expectations. It could have built up to something and maintained some of the momentum of the original plot, instead they allowed it to fizzle out.

Due to the complete lack of direction post-Origins it is perhaps a more viable solution to develop the plot in other areas - Flemeth, Chantry etc, in order to get the ball definitively rolling (in one specific direction) before hopefully concluding Morrigan's arc in a fitting manner. According to comments by Gaider/Laidlaw that appears to be what they are doing, setting the stage for certain events in the future. Thus, so long as the warden can play a part in the finale of Morrigan's arc (which I believe the WH endings set the initial groundwork for), there's no problem with DA2 from a story perspective in my eyes. Based solely on the devs comments, hints and the stopgap pseudo-closure we got from WH I can get on board with DA2 for now, though my concerns with the changes are many (that's a whole other topic though). Let's hope we don't have the same spiders web of hit and miss DLCs for DA2.

 

I completely agree. I understand that many people want to see answers to specific questions concerning their warden and the Morrigan story arc in particular.  For me, you have hit the nail on the head in respect of your comments on dlc. I for one was immensely let down.  It left me feeling that I would prefer my wardens story to end right there, incomplete, rather than continue in a similar fashion.  I also felt that there just wasn't enough (where we are at the moment) material to keep me engaged for another 60-70hours (Parting with another £40.00 aside).
I am hoping that DA2 will hopefully bring us back around again. By this I mean that I hope the game gives us more great storyline like DA:O and leaves us in a position where we have a major situation to contend with, that demands the return of the warden. Using all the new material and knowledge gained from DA2, to give us lots of scope for new warden adventures, leading up to dealing with said situation and giving closure to outstanding storylines along the way.  To me, that would keep the whole thing fresh, engaging, exciting and quell all the dissapointment I have endured since I completed DA:O

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Spuudle wrote...

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You can obviously have any view, and I respect it if you want to move on past the warden, but I have to correct part of your paragraph, which is quoted below.

Spuudle wrote...

 What could we possibly face? Another blight? Dont care if thats a minority or even a singular view.


Not true. If you remember one of the discussions with Wynne, she says that the Grey Warden's purpose is to "serve", and that is pretty much all she says to end that sentence, and is her main point. The Grey Wardens serve all people of Ferelden, regardless if there is a Blight or no. They DO take on more responsibilities than defeating Darkspawn. All the political/lands of Amaranthine stuff you take care of in Awakening is proof enough of that. Sure, they specialize in Darkspawn, but that isn't ALL they deal with. I say with all the stuff hinted at in preview statements for DA2 that the Warden has MUCH MORE he/she can do. Flemeth, anyone? Morrigan said herself that Flemeth is the true threat. I say she's powerful enough to warrant the Warden's involvement.


Ok so why is that incorrect?? You want a full game, serving the people of Ferelden, dealing with politics and Flemeth. Well, as I understand it, we will be dealing with Flemeth in DA2 anyway. So that leaves us with Serving and Politics. Gripping stuff! Not going to fill an entire game so I ask you once more: Another Blight?  Again, a fresh new direction is just what is needed. I like many others would like to see my wardens story brought to conclusion, but I feel it would be better in dlc, or a 'quality expansion'. Doubt it will happen though. IMO there just isnt enough material for keeping the warden, whilst keeping the game engaging and fresh. I also accept that many people are resistent to any change at all.  I do agree with you on one thing though, I am indeed entitled to my view. :)

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Not enough? Morrigan told us that Flemeth played a bigger part in the blight that you realized, and tell they grey wardens to be wary. If Flemeth had something to do with the blight, it would be in the interest of the wardens to investigate it, to prevent more blights. So there are storys left for the grey wardens. Posted Image

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arathor_87 wrote...

Spuudle wrote...

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You can obviously have any view, and I respect it if you want to move on past the warden, but I have to correct part of your paragraph, which is quoted below.

Spuudle wrote...

 What could we possibly face? Another blight? Dont care if thats a minority or even a singular view.


Not true. If you remember one of the discussions with Wynne, she says that the Grey Warden's purpose is to "serve", and that is pretty much all she says to end that sentence, and is her main point. The Grey Wardens serve all people of Ferelden, regardless if there is a Blight or no. They DO take on more responsibilities than defeating Darkspawn. All the political/lands of Amaranthine stuff you take care of in Awakening is proof enough of that. Sure, they specialize in Darkspawn, but that isn't ALL they deal with. I say with all the stuff hinted at in preview statements for DA2 that the Warden has MUCH MORE he/she can do. Flemeth, anyone? Morrigan said herself that Flemeth is the true threat. I say she's powerful enough to warrant the Warden's involvement.


Ok so why is that incorrect?? You want a full game, serving the people of Ferelden, dealing with politics and Flemeth. Well, as I understand it, we will be dealing with Flemeth in DA2 anyway. So that leaves us with Serving and Politics. Gripping stuff! Not going to fill an entire game so I ask you once more: Another Blight?  Again, a fresh new direction is just what is needed. I like many others would like to see my wardens story brought to conclusion, but I feel it would be better in dlc, or a 'quality expansion'. Doubt it will happen though. IMO there just isnt enough material for keeping the warden, whilst keeping the game engaging and fresh. I also accept that many people are resistent to any change at all.  I do agree with you on one thing though, I am indeed entitled to my view. :)

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Not enough? Morrigan told us that Flemeth played a bigger part in the blight that you realized, and tell they grey wardens to be wary. If Flemeth had something to do with the blight, it would be in the interest of the wardens to investigate it, to prevent more blights. So there are storys left for the grey wardens. Posted Image



Hmm Yeah. I agree there are story's left for the warden, but not enough to base DA2 on him, FOR ME, Im afraid. Hopefully the wardens can return in DA3 when I for one am hoping there will be even more for the wardens to get their teeth into.

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Spuudle wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Spuudle wrote...

PureMethodActor wrote...

You can obviously have any view, and I respect it if you want to move on past the warden, but I have to correct part of your paragraph, which is quoted below.

Spuudle wrote...

 What could we possibly face? Another blight? Dont care if thats a minority or even a singular view.


Not true. If you remember one of the discussions with Wynne, she says that the Grey Warden's purpose is to "serve", and that is pretty much all she says to end that sentence, and is her main point. The Grey Wardens serve all people of Ferelden, regardless if there is a Blight or no. They DO take on more responsibilities than defeating Darkspawn. All the political/lands of Amaranthine stuff you take care of in Awakening is proof enough of that. Sure, they specialize in Darkspawn, but that isn't ALL they deal with. I say with all the stuff hinted at in preview statements for DA2 that the Warden has MUCH MORE he/she can do. Flemeth, anyone? Morrigan said herself that Flemeth is the true threat. I say she's powerful enough to warrant the Warden's involvement.


Ok so why is that incorrect?? You want a full game, serving the people of Ferelden, dealing with politics and Flemeth. Well, as I understand it, we will be dealing with Flemeth in DA2 anyway. So that leaves us with Serving and Politics. Gripping stuff! Not going to fill an entire game so I ask you once more: Another Blight?  Again, a fresh new direction is just what is needed. I like many others would like to see my wardens story brought to conclusion, but I feel it would be better in dlc, or a 'quality expansion'. Doubt it will happen though. IMO there just isnt enough material for keeping the warden, whilst keeping the game engaging and fresh. I also accept that many people are resistent to any change at all.  I do agree with you on one thing though, I am indeed entitled to my view. :)

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Not enough? Morrigan told us that Flemeth played a bigger part in the blight that you realized, and tell they grey wardens to be wary. If Flemeth had something to do with the blight, it would be in the interest of the wardens to investigate it, to prevent more blights. So there are storys left for the grey wardens. Posted Image



Hmm Yeah. I agree there are story's left for the warden, but not enough to base DA2 on him, FOR ME, Im afraid. Hopefully the wardens can return in DA3 when I for one am hoping there will be even more for the wardens to get their teeth into.


I agree with you, it would be fun to play another story, aslong as the warden(s) come back in a future game with the reasons i have mentioned. Maybe its to soon for the warden to come back. Maybe they must rebuild the order to face the future, and you don't do that in a year.. It takes time, and so does Flemeth plans. I hope this is the way BW thinking! : )

I don't judge DA2 before it's released my i'm not sure if I like the new concept. They say DA2 is shorter than DA:O and longer than Awakening. And since DA2 will take part under a 10 year span it feels like it will be more action and combat. Less game time and a history over 10 years can have negative effects on the storyline. But lets wait and see, but at least i'm sure of one thing. I want my warden back in a future game! Posted Image

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Glad there is a DAO 2 coming out. I wish my original DAO character was more involved in future expansions. I mean, all that work, the origin story etc. I want to hear the story of how the Warden Queen took control of all Ferelden and how Alistair mysteriously disappeared.....

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simpatikool wrote...

Glad there is a DAO 2 coming out. I wish my original DAO character was more involved in future expansions. I mean, all that work, the origin story etc. I want to hear the story of how the Warden Queen took control of all Ferelden and how Alistair mysteriously disappeared.....


I don't know if you can expect a game with such content. That's your choices. When the Warden(s) come back I think it will be about the warden vs Flemeth after what Morrigan told the warden, Which part did Flemeth play in the blight? And I'm sure Morrigan will be involved somehow, since both Flemeth and Morrigan plays a big part in DA.

And during an interview under the PAX gaming convention (in september) David Gaider aswered a question about the wardens.

Reporter: We’ve seen the Grey Wardens story, so we will move on into the rest of Thedas.
David GaiderTheir story is not done

And this interview was just a couple of days before the Witch Hunt was released, so I'm sure the wardens will play a big part in future games, and maybe the warden from DA:O will come back, or you could start a new one if you did the US.Posted Image

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We will be seeing the Flemeth storyline furthered in DA2.  However to what extent we will find out in a few months.

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One thing that's annoying is that Bioware don't tell us nothing, On the PAX gaming convention (between September 2-5) they got a question if we will ever see our grey warden again. The answered "We can't answer that from the marketing team, he'll be involved in the future.

This was 3-4 days before the Witch Hunt DLC was released, and this DLC had be known for a long time. So they couldn't mean the DLC, since those news had been out on the Bioware website for a month, and that wouldn't be "we can answer that from the marketing team", since we all knew about the DLC

And now they say, we can't answer that. 

So, if they not are going use him/her again they could just say it, it wouldn't give any spoilers to future games if the did.

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While their original plan was to proceed as they are, using Thedas as a sandbox, I'm not so sure they were expecting the backlash from such a large portion of the fan base regarding the popularity of the Warden. That's why I think they are using vague language regarding the return of the Warden in DA3.



While some are pleased as punch to embrace the new and improved, there are at least as many that are displeased with the stated direction and wish to continue the DA adventure with their Warden.



I would love to know what the telemetry and polling data show regarding Hawke versus Warden..

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Warden sequel would be nice... I would also really appreciate an appearance in DA2, I support this thread.

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arathor_87 wrote...

simpatikool wrote...

Glad there is a DAO 2 coming out. I wish my original DAO character was more involved in future expansions. I mean, all that work, the origin story etc. I want to hear the story of how the Warden Queen took control of all Ferelden and how Alistair mysteriously disappeared.....


I don't know if you can expect a game with such content. That's your choices. When the Warden(s) come back I think it will be about the warden vs Flemeth after what Morrigan told the warden, Which part did Flemeth play in the blight? And I'm sure Morrigan will be involved somehow, since both Flemeth and Morrigan plays a big part in DA.

And during an interview under the PAX gaming convention (in september) David Gaider aswered a question about the wardens.

Reporter: We’ve seen the Grey Wardens story, so we will move on into the rest of Thedas.
David GaiderTheir story is not done

And this interview was just a couple of days before the Witch Hunt was released, so I'm sure the wardens will play a big part in future games, and maybe the warden from DA:O will come back, or you could start a new one if you did the US.Posted Image


Do you have a link?

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I seriously hope that DA3 will feature a completely new character.

No Warden. No Hawke

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DAOME2FTW wrote...

Warden sequel would be nice... I would also really appreciate an appearance in DA2, I support this thread.


I'm certainly with you on this.  I get a very strong feeling we are not alone. Posted Image

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Warden sequel would be nice... I would also really appreciate an appearance in DA2, I support this thread.


You know, I was thinking that it should be the Warden who deals with the fallout of the DR if he/she did it, or if he/she allowed it to happen.  While I know full well the arguments that not all players did it and chose the US, but it's only fair to the opposite contingent since many, many did do it, and they should have the opportunity to feel the full weight of the decision.  Gaider did say that it was the biggest (most important) choice players would face in the game, so it only follows that the consequences should be felt one way or the other.  I happen to believe that it should be the Warden who should deal with what he/she did (or allowed to be done).  Having Hawke or the newest, greatest hero of Thedas deal with it, rings very hollow to me.  If I may be so bold, it feels like a cop out from a developmental standpoint.

Plenty of story and life left in the Warden.  Awakenings, GoA and WH were poor epilogues to such an epic hero, interactively speaking. 

EDIT: grammar.

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@Barbarossa- your last post basically sums up in one small paragraph why I feel it MUST be the Warden who deals with the fallout of post-DA2 Thedas.



Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Shameless plug!

Dragon Age: Retribution

Deals not with DA 2 Thedas but will complete the trac of Morrigan along with many other aspects of the storyline in DA:O.

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To me, what Morrigan tells us in witch hunt is as good an indication as we're going to get that the wardens are likely to return. She wants the wardens warned, which is so unlike Morrigan, it must be pretty damned important. On the other hand, it might not be 'our' warden who takes action. Depends on how married they are to the voiced PC and the dialogue wheel. I'm still hoping to find out why my warden ***redacted spoilers***  in the middle of the night.

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Barbarossa2010 wrote...

You know, I was thinking that it should be the Warden who deals with the fallout of the DR if he/she did it, or if he/she allowed it to happen.  While I know full well the arguments that not all players did it and chose the US, but it's only fair to the opposite contingent since many, many did do it, and they should have the opportunity to feel the full weight of the decision.  Gaider did say that it was the biggest (most important) choice players would face in the game, so it only follows that the consequences should be felt one way or the other.  I happen to believe that it should be the Warden who should deal with what he/she did (or allowed to be done).  Having Hawke or the newest, greatest hero of Thedas deal with it, rings very hollow to me.  If I may be so bold, it feels like a cop out from a developmental standpoint.

Plenty of story and life left in the Warden.  Awakenings, GoA and WH were poor epilogues to such an epic hero, interactively speaking. 

EDIT: grammar.


Absolutely, Barbarossa. If your Warden did the DR, they're still alive no matter what and its because of Morrigan. So should Morrigan and the DR factor into things in the future, it only makes sense that its the Warden that should be dealing with those consequences, if they want to make that an emotionally engaging storyline. They certainly could toss in a new PC to deal with that, but whats it matter to some noob hero? They had nothing to do with the DR or Morrigan.

It would absolutely be a cop out and poor story telling if you unceremoniously ditch the Warden when the time comes to have consequences for the DR or whatever Morrigan's plans are.

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errant_knight wrote...

To me, what Morrigan tells us in witch hunt is as good an indication as we're going to get that the wardens are likely to return. She wants the wardens warned, which is so unlike Morrigan, it must be pretty damned important. On the other hand, it might not be 'our' warden who takes action. Depends on how married they are to the voiced PC and the dialogue wheel. I'm still hoping to find out why my warden disappeared from her bed in the middle of the night.


Yup, it sure seems that way at least, that whatever change is brewing or whatever Morrigan has plans for, it will involve the Wardens at large to some extent. And if you're going to have Wardens involved, it only makes sense to bring back the Hero of Ferelden or the Orlesian if you went the US route.

I know Gaider has mentioned that we will have the whole Awakening "vanished!" ending explained at some point in the future.

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Brockololly wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

To me, what Morrigan tells us in witch hunt is as good an indication as we're going to get that the wardens are likely to return. She wants the wardens warned, which is so unlike Morrigan, it must be pretty damned important. On the other hand, it might not be 'our' warden who takes action. Depends on how married they are to the voiced PC and the dialogue wheel. I'm still hoping to find out why my warden disappeared from her bed in the middle of the night.


Yup, it sure seems that way at least, that whatever change is brewing or whatever Morrigan has plans for, it will involve the Wardens at large to some extent. And if you're going to have Wardens involved, it only makes sense to bring back the Hero of Ferelden or the Orlesian if you went the US route.

I know Gaider has mentioned that we will have the whole Awakening "vanished!" ending explained at some point in the future.


The vanished epilogue from awakening somewhat concerns me; it would make sense if the warden vanishes and then shows up for witch hunt, which would explain that ending but I'm really hoping that theres more in store for the warden in the future.

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The vanished epilogue from awakening somewhat concerns me; it would make sense if the warden vanishes and then shows up for witch hunt, which would explain that ending but I'm really hoping that theres more in store for the warden in the future.


Well, sure, it could be a cheap way of writing off the Warden or simply a means to get all Wardens on the same page to give them a common entry point in some future story. I'm thinking that the vanished ending in Awakening is supposed to be taking place either at the time of Witch Hunt or even after that. So with WH, obviously if you romanced Morrigan and go through the Eluvian, your Warden has vanished.

And then maybe the other Wardens vanishing could be due to them all getting ready for whatever it is that Morigan warned them about in Witch Hunt? Maybe its something like the Wardens (including Alistair if you romanced him, as he goes off too, I think) all going off to gather at Weisshaupt to prepare? Just an idea.

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Brockololly wrote...

soundchaser721 wrote...
The vanished epilogue from awakening somewhat concerns me; it would make sense if the warden vanishes and then shows up for witch hunt, which would explain that ending but I'm really hoping that theres more in store for the warden in the future.


Well, sure, it could be a cheap way of writing off the Warden or simply a means to get all Wardens on the same page to give them a common entry point in some future story. I'm thinking that the vanished ending in Awakening is supposed to be taking place either at the time of Witch Hunt or even after that. So with WH, obviously if you romanced Morrigan and go through the Eluvian, your Warden has vanished.

And then maybe the other Wardens vanishing could be due to them all getting ready for whatever it is that Morigan warned them about in Witch Hunt? Maybe its something like the Wardens (including Alistair if you romanced him, as he goes off too, I think) all going off to gather at Weisshaupt to prepare? Just an idea.

Yep, that makes some sense. There's some weirdness with whether Alistair goes. He also ***  if his *** disappears even if ***, but not when *** *** does, which has just got to be an ending slide error, so I'm going to assume that whatever it is, it's a warden thing.

Uh oh. This is the no spoilers part of the forum.... *goes back to redact spoilers*
Huh, that makes a whole lot less sense now. ;)

Modifié par errant_knight, 26 octobre 2010 - 12:45 .