Alright I'm going to put the whole Pro-Human/Anti-Alien issue into context with a real world example.
I am Canadian, born and raised. I am Pro-Canada, this means that I believe my country should put our interests first and I support groups and take actions that further those interests. This does not make me Anti-anybody though of course instances will arise where my Pro-Canada status will put me at odds with other Pro-groups and this is simply because we can't all always win.
Now if I were Anti-America let's say I would support groups and take actions that harm or hinder American interests simply for the sake of doing it. Sometimes these two goals will intersect, sometimes in order to further my interests I have no choice but to hinder yours and that's unfortunately how the game is played.
So can anyone point to an instance where Cerberus has worked to harm or hinder the interests of another race for no other reason than to do it? Is there anything they've done that was done purely to harm or hinder the other races with no other goal in mind?
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Yeah, for what they did to Jack, Admiral Kahoku, Corporal Toombs, and countless other humans and non-humans alike,>snip<
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No, instead they spent all their time damaging other Humans. I'm sure they had a really good reason, that wasn't "racist" at all. No, wait, that doesn't make any sense. Okay, you tell me. Why did they do all that stuff to other Humans?
Jack - experimenting on making an Asari super-biotic doesn't help humanity in the least. The experiments were to help understand and enhance human biotics to level the playing field with the other species. It was crude and brutal admittedly but when you're playing catch-up against a gap of hundreds if not thousands of years you don't exactly have the luxury of time.
Akuze/Toombs - Thresher Maws are a very real threat in the galaxy and we need to be able to deal with them. Akuze showed how well Alliance training and equipment fared in the face of a Thresher Maw (not well apparently). The experiments on Toombs allowed us to discover how human physiology responded to Thresher Maw venom. Like Jack these experiments were crude and brutal but ultimately necessary to achieve immediately usable results. There's only one way to test the effectiveness of anti-venom, you gotta get bit.
Admiral Kahoku - Now not knowing the circumstances around the death of his men I will provide 2 explanations based on the 2 most likely scenarios in my opinion. In no particular order:
Scenario 1 - Kahoku's men were lured to the Thresher nest in order to evaluate Alliance measures against Thresher Maws (Stage 2 of the Akuze experiment if you will). Like Akuze the losses are regrettable but necessary to achieve an accurate real-world assessment of Alliance soldiers. Kahoku's investigation of the incident compromised Cerberus' security forcing them to take action against him
Scenario 2 - Kahoku's men were lured to the nest as there investigation into the death of Armistan Banes compromised Cerberus security and they needed a way to eliminate an entire squad while making it look like nothing more than a tragic accident (people being gunned down while investigating something tends to draw attention). Kahoku's investigation further compromised Cerberus' security forcing them to take action against them.
Both of these scenarios forward the interests of the species. Scenario 1 tests the effectiveness of measures taken after Akuze and allows further advancements to be made. Scenario 2 preserves the Alliance politcal image by keeping the black sheep secret (somewhat undone by ME2 but to my knowledge it's never made clear if the Council races know Cerberus was originally an Alliance initiative). Both are tragic, even criminal to a certain degree, but ultimately in the best interests of humanity as a whole.
Now not to seem insensitive and not to condone the way the situation was handled but Kahoku brought his fate on himself. The loss of his men is tragic but Kahoku chose his own fate the moment he chose to take action. Once he found out what kind of people he was dealing with Kahoku could have walked away, he could have run with the story that they were killed by a Thresher while investigating an Alliance distress beacon and let the matter be. He chose, and had good reason to choose, to press the matter in honour of his men, he brought Cerberus down on himself and knew full well he was doing so.
There's a running theme for me in Cerberus activites, regrettable but necessary. With Jack, Akuze, and Scenario 1 we need to deveop these technologies and we can't afford to take the time to figure them out the safe way or wait for the Council races to offer their handouts if we want to remain masters of our own fate. The Hanar, the Elcor, and the Volus all chose complacency and they are now serfs, servants of the Council with no real might (political or otherwise) of their own. We know their history, we've seen their actions, we know what the Council does when a species pushes to far or demands too much. If we want to continue pushing, if we want more than what the Council is willing to give us, then we need to be prepared when they choose to strike, for they will strike when our usefulness no longer outweighs our ability to challenge them, when we dare to refuse to bend knee to the Asari, Turians, and Salarians they will strike.
It is not racism, to abhor tyranny. It is not supremist to demand freedom. It is not criminal to strive for excellence.
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