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[Gibb_Garrus]

 Seriously? Why go through the trouble of getting all those humans? It woudn't be anymore powerful than a normal reapers, what was the point of it? It was never explained in the game.

[LuxDragon]

Yes it was. Reaper reproduce by harvesting species. Humans were 'chosen' to be the next new Reaper.



Evidently, all the Reapers you see used to be some other alien species that got mulched up and used as a new Reaper.

[Gibb_Garrus]

oooooooh. lol, thanks.



But arent the normal repaers pure AI? If those forms were once another alien species, wouldn't they be part organic like the human reaper?

[REShepard]

And also expect to this to be clarified a bit more in ME3.

[AresXX7]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

 Seriously? Why go through the trouble of getting all those humans? It woudn't be anymore powerful than a normal reapers, what was the point of it? It was never explained in the game.

humans were picked for the new reaper, because of humanity's defeat of Sovereign and our genetic diversity
can't remember for sure, but I thought something was mentioned about, possibly from Legion (if you continue to talk to him after the suicide mission)

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

oooooooh. lol, thanks.

But arent the normal repaers pure AI? If those forms were once another alien species, wouldn't they be part organic like the human reaper?

they are actually synthetically & organically combined
I believe EDI comments on this

[Killjoy Cutter]

"That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction." or whatever it is exactly that Harbinger says.

Legion says that each Reaper is "One body, one will, many voices".

It appears that each Reapers is made from millions of individual of a species.

My guess is that because it was humans that were key in destroying Sovereign, the Reapers chose humans to be the raw material for the next generation of new Reapers.

So BioWare might be going slightly metaphysical on this... not sure how you end up with the "voices" of the "rendered" all still there inside the new Reaper.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 26 août 2010 - 01:25 .

[PsyrenY]

It's machine logic. "X defeated us, therefore X is worth noticing."



Legion uses the same logic to begin hero-worshiping Shepard.

[gi0m]

So the last highly enough evolved specie to worth been reaped were some kind of sushi condiment?

[Graz73]

These are all valid points, but I also have to say "why?"



I would guess that making a human reaper would give them some advantage. Maybe the human reaper would allow for easy indoctrination of all remaining humans?

[Count Viceroy]

gi0m wrote...

So the last highly enough evolved specie to worth been reaped were some kind of sushi condiment?

Nah, the concept art shows the human bit being encased in a standard reaper shell later in construction, showing only minor differences with the others. the squid form is probably their original form and template.

Graz73 wrote...

These are all valid points, but I also have to say "why?"

I
would guess that making a human reaper would give them some advantage.
Maybe the human reaper would allow for easy indoctrination of all
remaining humans?

This is how reapers reproduce. Every cycle the race which is deemed the most worthy to be "asceneded" to reapers themselves get the 'pleasure' of being processed, everything else is wiped out and the cycle beings anew. This time its the humans who have the honors.

You can even hear harby discuss the other races sometimes in combat. Calling krogan wasted potential etc.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 août 2010 - 02:25 .

[Mister Mida]

For now I'm sceptical on the whole theory that all the Reapers are cyborg squids. EDI was just speculating after all.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Graz73 wrote...

These are all valid points, but I also have to say "why?"

I would guess that making a human reaper would give them some advantage. Maybe the human reaper would allow for easy indoctrination of all remaining humans?

In the end, it may be a matter of faith or truism for the Reapers, that this is what they must do.

[Count Viceroy]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Graz73 wrote...

These are all valid points, but I also have to say "why?"

I would guess that making a human reaper would give them some advantage. Maybe the human reaper would allow for easy indoctrination of all remaining humans?

In the end, it may be a matter of faith or truism for the Reapers, that this is what they must do.

It definatly sounds like they are doing what they were programmed to do, and they do believe they are doing everyone a favor by doing it. They definatly aren't motivated by malice or something similar.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 août 2010 - 02:33 .

[gearwich]

Isn't the squid look just their armor?

[Dean_the_Young]

Graz73 wrote...

These are all valid points, but I also have to say "why?"

I would guess that making a human reaper would give them some advantage. Maybe the human reaper would allow for easy indoctrination of all remaining humans?

Doubtful, since nothing of the sort was implied. They built a human reaper because humans were what they built a Reaper out of, because this is how Reapers 'reproduce.'

The simplest 'why' is 'to have another Reaper on the near side to open the Citadel relay'. Sovereign failed, but a second reaper wouldn't necessarily do the same, with planning and luck. The Human Reaper gets into the Citadel with it's collector and Geth allies (from the data-core virus), opens the gate, and the Reapers pull their invasion from the inside as they intended.

[Mallissin]

Obligatory reaper origins theory thread snipe.



http://social.biowar...5/index/1513253

[ShadoX_LV]

I hope that they can come up with a good and working explanations for that in the third game..

Because.. besides looking good.. there was nothing that would make sense about it.. for one it could have just killed you with one strike with its hands yet all it does is.. well, you know that.

[edit]I also doubt that the reapers that are about to attack were made the same way.. just thinkg about it. We saw plenty of them at the end of the game.. goes how manny alien slushies they needed to make all of those?

It simpy wouldn't make sense when you apply the same idea of building a humar reaper to the regular ones.. Thers no way that they had so many resources to build all of those..

And even if they did, who built the first one and programmed it?

Modifié par ShadoX_LV, 26 août 2010 - 02:58 .

[BeastMTL]

Simply to have a big end-boss fight.

[Dean_the_Young]

ShadoX_LV wrote...

I hope that they can come up with a good and working explanations for that in the third game..

Because.. besides looking good.. there was nothing that would make sense about it.. for one it could have just killed you with one strike with its hands yet all it does is.. well, you know that.

In seemingly 90% of games, the big-bad is big enough to sit on you, but doesn't.

One simple answer is that it actually doesn't have the hands/levarage to try playing swat the moving Shepard AND hold on.

[Arcadionn]

Not sure if that was said before but could it be that the form they almost all have would be the previously consensual form of the optimal Reaper. Perhaps they wipe out species and process all captured beings into a melting pot which results in the squid-like form? With Sovereign stopped by humans; they may have deemed a human form more adequate/superior?

[AngryFrozenWater]

The point was, IIRC, that reapers look like the species with which they were created. This is mentioned in the game. So, the humans from the colonies were the material from which the human reaper was created. Apparently it takes millions to create a single one.

[Moiaussi]

"More than millions" would still equate to around 1,000 reapers from any decent sized established world. That would also explain why they wait until civilizations get to a certain level - to ensure there are sufficient numbers for a good harvest.

They also might wait until there is a dominant winner to choose, i.e. one race that stands out more than the others.

As for why the actual humanoid form? Cheesy writing most likely, but possibly simply that if they show up in the form of the race they are conquering, they might find conversion easier due to at least some of that race worshiping them as gods, and an even larger number being too freaked out to fight well. Psychological warfare.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Count Viceroy wrote...
Nah, the concept art shows the human bit being encased in a standard reaper shell later in construction, showing only minor differences with the others. the squid form is probably their original form and template.

So maybe inside each Reaper or few there's a slightly different looking "core"? 

Interesting.

[Siansonea]

The point of the human Reaper is to provide a cool-looking final boss for ME2. It was designed by a focus group comprised of 13-year-old boys with poor social skills.

[Jamin101]

Count Viceroy wrote...

gi0m wrote...

So the last highly enough evolved specie to worth been reaped were some kind of sushi condiment?

Nah, the concept art shows the human bit being encased in a standard reaper shell later in construction, showing only minor differences with the others. the squid form is probably their original form and template.

Graz73 wrote...

These are all valid points, but I also have to say "why?"

I
would guess that making a human reaper would give them some advantage.
Maybe the human reaper would allow for easy indoctrination of all
remaining humans?

This is how reapers reproduce. Every cycle the race which is deemed the most worthy to be "asceneded" to reapers themselves get the 'pleasure' of being processed, everything else is wiped out and the cycle beings anew. This time its the humans who have the honors.

You can even hear harby discuss the other races sometimes in combat. Calling krogan wasted potential etc.

i like this theory, is there any info as to why they didnt choose the protheans, they seemed to have better technology then all the main council races