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[Killjoy Cutter]

Jamin101 wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

gi0m wrote...

So the last highly enough evolved specie to worth been reaped were some kind of sushi condiment?

Nah, the concept art shows the human bit being encased in a standard reaper shell later in construction, showing only minor differences with the others. the squid form is probably their original form and template.

Graz73 wrote...

These are all valid points, but I also have to say "why?"

I
would guess that making a human reaper would give them some advantage.
Maybe the human reaper would allow for easy indoctrination of all
remaining humans?

This is how reapers reproduce. Every cycle the race which is deemed the most worthy to be "asceneded" to reapers themselves get the 'pleasure' of being processed, everything else is wiped out and the cycle beings anew. This time its the humans who have the honors.

You can even hear harby discuss the other races sometimes in combat. Calling krogan wasted potential etc.

i like this theory, is there any info as to why they didnt choose the protheans, they seemed to have better technology then all the main council races

~50000 years ago, they either chose the Protheans and used the leftovers to make the Collectors, or they chose someone else and used the Protheans to make the Collectors because they "came in second".

[Moiaussi]

[quote]Killjoy Cutter wrote...

i like this theory, is there any info as to why they didnt choose the protheans, they seemed to have better technology then all the main council races
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~50000 years ago, they either chose the Protheans and used the leftovers to make the Collectors, or they chose someone else and used the Protheans to make the Collectors because they "came in second".

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Or.. all the reapers are exactly as the Collectors are... heavily modified descendants of their original species.

It is very much not a given than the reapers only come in starship size, and even then not a given that they are all sovereign sized.

Just because alien smoothies are used in one way does not mean the DNA can't be used in others too, including keeping some back as breeding stock.

If this is the case, it is interesting in that at least some of the Cerberus ops mirror Reaper procedure, in that Cerberus teams seem to have no objections to attempting to blend in any traits from other races they think might be useful.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Moiaussi wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

someone else wrote...

i like this theory, is there any info as to why they didnt choose the protheans, they seemed to have better technology then all the main council races

~50000 years ago, they either chose the Protheans and used the leftovers to make the Collectors, or they chose someone else and used the Protheans to make the Collectors because they "came in second".

Or.. all the reapers are exactly as the Collectors are... heavily modified descendants of their original species.

It is very much not a given than the reapers only come in starship size, and even then not a given that they are all sovereign sized.

Just because alien smoothies are used in one way does not mean the DNA can't be used in others too, including keeping some back as breeding stock.

If this is the case, it is interesting in that at least some of the Cerberus ops mirror Reaper procedure, in that Cerberus teams seem to have no objections to attempting to blend in any traits from other races they think might be useful.

First, you munged the quote tags.

Second, I don't think we're actually saying anything all that different.  The part of your statement I bolded is pretty much the first option from my post -- "using the leftovers".

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 26 août 2010 - 06:47 .

[epoch_]

What was the point of Mass Effect 2?

[Killjoy Cutter]

epoch_ wrote...

What was the point of Mass Effect 2?

1.  Wake up.
2.  Drink giant steaming cup of Cerberus coffee.  It's bitter, but it will get you going.
3.  Find the dozen baddest bastards in the galaxy, and recruit them.
4.  Steal the key to hell.
5.  Go to hell, kick ass, take names, come home.

[IanPolaris]

Jamin101 wrote...

i like this theory, is there any info as to why they didnt choose the protheans, they seemed to have better technology then all the main council races

They did.  EDI in fact comments on this during the Suicide Mission.  The Reapers tried to make a new reaper from Prothean genetic material and it failed, so the remaining Protheans were repurposed into the Collector slave race.

The reapers believe that humans are the best genetic material they can find for a new reaper.  Not exactly the lottery you wish to win.....

-Polaris

[In Exile]

Moiaussi wrote...

"More than millions" would still equate to around 1,000 reapers from any decent sized established world. That would also explain why they wait until civilizations get to a certain level - to ensure there are sufficient numbers for a good harvest.

They also might wait until there is a dominant winner to choose, i.e. one race that stands out more than the others.

Well, one thing to remember is that this cycle is special. The ssari found the Citadel on their own, and Sovereign likely wanted to harvest them. The Protheans disabled the citade relay, though, so that was out. The salarians joined and formed the Council, so now you have a unique interspecies unity. The rachni were indoctrinated as weapons of war - the original plan must have been to have the rachni act as geth, but the salarians found the krogran and defeated the rachni.

While Sovereign is licking its wounds, the krogan rebellions happen and the turians are added to the Council. Now as a further kick in the ass to the reapers, humanity emerges and they also add to the Council races.

So the reapers now have to deal with humanity, the asari, the salarians, the krogan remnants and the turians, plus all the other minor races floating around.

The original plan is probably to wait for one dominant species and harvest them, and then see if they are worthy for ascension. But this time the cycle is screwed up. You have lots of species floating around, the citadel off-limits, and the vanguard of the invasion gone (Sovereign defeated). So with all the reapers in dark space, with Harbinger only capable of acting at a distance, the plan is probably to construct a new reaper so that they can indoctrinate another species and along with the geth, open the new relay.

That is my take, at any rate.

As for why the actual humanoid form? Cheesy writing most likely, but possibly simply that if they show up in the form of the race they are conquering, they might find conversion easier due to at least some of that race worshiping them as gods, and an even larger number being too freaked out to fight well. Psychological warfare.

I file that under garbage writing. The artbook talks about original concepts being far more reaper like, but they went the The Terminator because they thought it would look psychologically terrifying. It looks like a cheesy B movie. If they kept that disturbing embryo, that would have been better. Or they could have just gone all squid.

[Madman123456]

i think they played contra 3 (Probotector in yurop). Then they watched the two good Terminator Movies. Then they played Contra 3 again. Then they watchted the Terminator Movies, even the ones that weren't as ridiculously epic as the first ones. Then they played all the contra games and discovered that you can make a final level in a third game which consist entirely out of Bosses from the earlier games.

And most Videogame mags wont even notice.



Then they played the level of contra3 with the metallic humanoid skeleton boss. Over and over and over again.



And then they played the "Streets of Rage" Games in which the final Boss turns out to be a robot.





Then they played "Snatcher and where really tired of playing more games and watching more movies with Humanoid Skeletons made of metal.

The Idea of Machines that look human or partly human (or are being made to look human but aren't finished yet; isn't that new? Oh wait no, i forgot that one episode of the "Robocop" show...) is pretty well explored.

[ShadoX_LV]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ShadoX_LV wrote...

I hope that they can come up with a good and working explanations for that in the third game..

Because.. besides looking good.. there was nothing that would make sense about it.. for one it could have just killed you with one strike with its hands yet all it does is.. well, you know that.

In seemingly 90% of games, the big-bad is big enough to sit on you, but doesn't.

One simple answer is that it actually doesn't have the hands/levarage to try playing swat the moving Shepard AND hold on.

Well, it can still hold on with one hand before it disappears again.. heck, every person alive would be able to press themselfs against something like that and hold on to it with one hadn..

I know that it would make for a boring fight dieing instantly.. but its kinda silly seeing those big bosses doing silly things like that..

IanPolaris wrote...

Jamin101 wrote...

i like
this theory, is there any info as to why they didnt choose the
protheans, they seemed to have better technology then all the main
council races

They did.  EDI in fact comments on this during the Suicide Mission.  The Reapers tried
to make a new reaper from Prothean genetic material and it failed, so
the remaining Protheans were repurposed into the Collector slave race.

The
reapers believe that humans are the best genetic material they can find
for a new reaper.  Not exactly the lottery you wish to win.....

-Polaris

Weird.. I can't remember that...

[Killjoy Cutter]

IanPolaris wrote...

Jamin101 wrote...

i like this theory, is there any info as to why they didnt choose the protheans, they seemed to have better technology then all the main council races

They did.  EDI in fact comments on this during the Suicide Mission.  The Reapers tried to make a new reaper from Prothean genetic material and it failed, so the remaining Protheans were repurposed into the Collector slave race.

The reapers believe that humans are the best genetic material they can find for a new reaper.  Not exactly the lottery you wish to win.....

-Polaris

When and how do you get to this statement from EDI?

[Madman123456]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

What was the point of Mass Effect 2?

1.  Wake up.
2.  Drink giant steaming cup of Cerberus coffee.  It's bitter, but it will get you going.
3.  Find the dozen baddest bastards in the galaxy, and recruit them.
4.  Steal the key to hell.
5.  Go to hell, kick ass, take names, come home.

Somehow, i missed point three. Those are not the baddest bastards in the Galaxy. If they where, the Galaxy is populated by wimps. No, i'm doing anyone who considers himself being a wimp for any Reason injustice. There needs to be a stronger Word describing these Failures i have to content with.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Madman123456 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

What was the point of Mass Effect 2?

1.  Wake up.
2.  Drink giant steaming cup of Cerberus coffee.  It's bitter, but it will get you going.
3.  Find the dozen baddest bastards in the galaxy, and recruit them.
4.  Steal the key to hell.
5.  Go to hell, kick ass, take names, come home.

Somehow, i missed point three. Those are not the baddest bastards in the Galaxy. If they where, the Galaxy is populated by wimps. No, i'm doing anyone who considers himself being a wimp for any Reason injustice. There needs to be a stronger Word describing these Failures i have to content with.

Huh, maybe we're playing a different game. 

[Moiaussi]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

First, you munged the quote tags.

Second, I don't think we're actually saying anything all that different.  The part of your statement I bolded is pretty much the first option from my post -- "using the leftovers".

1) With no appearant preview that happens sometimes

2) I was elabourating on the concept and suggesting that the Collectors might not be 'servants' per se, but that all Reapers might be like that on different scales. The Geth heretics, too, but they didn't have DNA, so it was just pure reprogramming in their case (although the later organic models might have been a reaper plan to make the Geth over as organics to fit with 'the plan.'

[Moiaussi]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Somehow, i missed point three. Those are not the baddest bastards in the Galaxy. If they where, the Galaxy is populated by wimps. No, i'm doing anyone who considers himself being a wimp for any Reason injustice. There needs to be a stronger Word describing these Failures i have to content with.

Huh, maybe we're playing a different game. 

I think the translation is 'since they lost, they can't have been that tough.' It is a problematic stand, since it further translates into 'he can only respect a game he can never beat.'

Modifié par Moiaussi, 26 août 2010 - 07:20 .

[Randy1012]

ShadoX_LV wrote...

I also doubt that the reapers that are about to attack were made the same way.. just thinkg about it. We saw plenty of them at the end of the game.. goes how manny alien slushies they needed to make all of those?

It simpy wouldn't make sense when you apply the same idea of building a humar reaper to the regular ones.. Thers no way that they had so many resources to build all of those..

And even if they did, who built the first one and programmed it?

Whoever created the first Reaper were probably also the ones who first unlocked mass effect technology, built the Citadel, and created the mass relays that now connect the galaxy. Heck, maybe they became the first Reaper by harvesting their species' genetic material to power the Reaper, designed to preserve their people's genetic legacy for all time, and then they decided this was such a great idea that they would allow future worthy species the same honor.

That's all just supposition, though. I hope we do get an explanation of the Reapers' origins in ME3. But even if we don't, the Reapers have been doing this for more than 37 million years. Divide that by ~50,000 and that means there have been at least 740,000 harvesting cycles, probably more since it's doubtful that the Reaper killed at Klendagon was the first Reaper. Since we know that the Reapers don't always find a worthy species to immortalize (such was the case with the Protheans), we know there aren't exactly 740,000 Reapers--but even if there are 739,999 Reapers, obviously constructing each one of those would require an immense amount of resources.

Which is probably another reason why the Reapers work on a 50,000 year cycle. It's doubtful that they harvest the entire galaxy, and more likely that they only harvest those species who have developed their technology to a point that they can access the mass relays. So if humanity hadn't discovered that Prothean data cache on Mars when they did, the Charon Relay would have remained dormant, and Sovereign would have successfully breached the Citadel and begun the next harvesting cycle. But humanity would have been spared, because they'd still have been stuck in the Sol System with no record of their activating the Charon Relay.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Moiaussi wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Somehow, i missed point three. Those are not the baddest bastards in the Galaxy. If they where, the Galaxy is populated by wimps. No, i'm doing anyone who considers himself being a wimp for any Reason injustice. There needs to be a stronger Word describing these Failures i have to content with.

Huh, maybe we're playing a different game. 

I think the translation is 'since they lost, they can't have been that tough.' It is a problematic stand, since it further translates into 'he can only respect a game he can never beat.'

I thought he was refering to the squad you recruit as "failures".

[Sparda Stonerule]

epoch_ wrote...

What was the point of Mass Effect 2?

To make people on the Bioware Social forums angry. Oh wait, they're always angry about something.

[Prince Keldar]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...
Nah, the concept art shows the human bit being encased in a standard reaper shell later in construction, showing only minor differences with the others. the squid form is probably their original form and template.

So maybe inside each Reaper or few there's a slightly different looking "core"? 

Interesting.

Pure speculation here but if you look at the sheer size of Sovereign and then look at the human reaper, the size differential is enormous.  Sovereign was much larger than the human reaper.

So the idea, that they build the reaper to look like the organic species and then encase it in a shell like thing, kind of makes sense. 

pretty cool.

[obiewamkenobi89]

Something seems kind of odd though, all the reapers in the end cinematic look very hermit crab and squid like. Based on their design, none of them looked like they ascended from a specie advanced enough to master their mass relay death traps. And all reapers are based on a organic specie, no?

[Killjoy Cutter]

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Something seems kind of odd though, all the reapers in the end cinematic look very hermit crab and squid like. Based on their design, none of them looked like they ascended from a specie advanced enough to master their mass relay death traps. And all reapers are based on a organic specie, no?

The idea being discussed on this thread is that inside each of those, is a core that looks more like the individual species it was created from.

[Prince Keldar]

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Something seems kind of odd though, all the reapers in the end cinematic look very hermit crab and squid like. Based on their design, none of them looked like they ascended from a specie advanced enough to master their mass relay death traps. And all reapers are based on a organic specie, no?

That is what I am saying.  the reason that they all look similar may be because they are encased in a shell. The shell looking like the squid thing and the reapers themselves may be inside of them. 

[obiewamkenobi89]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Something seems kind of odd though, all the reapers in the end cinematic look very hermit crab and squid like. Based on their design, none of them looked like they ascended from a specie advanced enough to master their mass relay death traps. And all reapers are based on a organic specie, no?

The idea being discussed on this thread is that inside each of those, is a core that looks more like the individual species it was created from.

Thats a great theory, never thought of that. 

[obiewamkenobi89]

Prince Keldar wrote...

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Something seems kind of odd though, all the reapers in the end cinematic look very hermit crab and squid like. Based on their design, none of them looked like they ascended from a specie advanced enough to master their mass relay death traps. And all reapers are based on a organic specie, no?

That is what I am saying.  the reason that they all look similar may be because they are encased in a shell. The shell looking like the squid thing and the reapers themselves may be inside of them. 

 

Anyone here who have figured out their purpose yet?=p Why they are doing it? Seems like you guys really though this stuff through 

[Count Viceroy]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Jamin101 wrote...

i like this theory, is there any info as to why they didnt choose the protheans, they seemed to have better technology then all the main council races

They did.  EDI in fact comments on this during the Suicide Mission.  The Reapers tried to make a new reaper from Prothean genetic material and it failed, so the remaining Protheans were repurposed into the Collector slave race.

The reapers believe that humans are the best genetic material they can find for a new reaper.  Not exactly the lottery you wish to win.....

-Polaris

When and how do you get to this statement from EDI?

Err, its somewhere near the end. I don't have an exact time and place atm, can't remember. But i'm doing a playthrough atm so I should run into it eventually. It's there though. I've heard it my self.

Either there wasn't enough of the protheans to make a whole reaper, or their dna was deemed unsuitable, as it's been reconverted to a human reaper. I think thats why it has 3 eyes instead of 2.

And yes I do belive like mentioned that who ever created the first reapers used themselves as material, thought hey, this is an awesome idea, lets keep doing it.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 août 2010 - 08:43 .

[obiewamkenobi89]

I have a theory. That theres a even bigger reaper, more like a mothership or hive mind for all the other "smaller" ones, It might sound stupid and probably to used as a concept to fit into the whole original Mass Effect story. Have this been considered before?