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[Moiaussi]

Prince Keldar wrote...

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Something seems kind of odd though, all the reapers in the end cinematic look very hermit crab and squid like. Based on their design, none of them looked like they ascended from a specie advanced enough to master their mass relay death traps. And all reapers are based on a organic specie, no?

That is what I am saying.  the reason that they all look similar may be because they are encased in a shell. The shell looking like the squid thing and the reapers themselves may be inside of them. 

It is a viable theory, but still just a theory and doesn't really explain the form at all. Why go through all that elabourate dress up if you are just going to hide it again? Why not use a more practical form?

Also it goes back to the blind assumption that reapers are all similar in size, which is a pure assumption especially if they are constructs.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Moiaussi wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Something seems kind of odd though, all the reapers in the end cinematic look very hermit crab and squid like. Based on their design, none of them looked like they ascended from a specie advanced enough to master their mass relay death traps. And all reapers are based on a organic specie, no?

That is what I am saying.  the reason that they all look similar may be because they are encased in a shell. The shell looking like the squid thing and the reapers themselves may be inside of them. 

It is a viable theory, but still just a theory and doesn't really explain the form at all. Why go through all that elabourate dress up if you are just going to hide it again? Why not use a more practical form?

Also it goes back to the blind assumption that reapers are all similar in size, which is a pure assumption especially if they are constructs.

They appear similar in size in the post-Omega-4-raid cinematic.

[Count Viceroy]

Moiaussi wrote...

It is a viable theory, but still just a theory and doesn't really explain the form at all. Why go through all that elabourate dress up if you are just going to hide it again? Why not use a more practical form?

Also it goes back to the blind assumption that reapers are all similar in size, which is a pure assumption especially if they are constructs.

If we stick with the assumption that they are of the same size, since we haven't seen anything that would suggest otherwise, its likely that the "squid"form is their basic ship design, the same way every plane here on earth has 2 wings and and engines. If thats the design they were programed with and it's worked well over the millenia I don't see why they would change anything.

I do hope we'll see smaller vessels though.

[RGFrog]

Prince Keldar wrote...

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Something seems kind of odd though, all the reapers in the end cinematic look very hermit crab and squid like. Based on their design, none of them looked like they ascended from a specie advanced enough to master their mass relay death traps. And all reapers are based on a organic specie, no?

That is what I am saying.  the reason that they all look similar may be because they are encased in a shell. The shell looking like the squid thing and the reapers themselves may be inside of them. 

Wait, I thought the ship was just a ship. The reapers were actually spirits/AI in the ship... That's why the geth worshiped them, as they were somewhat the same? Reapers were organic storage of minds/programs, Geth are technologically stored minds/progams...

[Moiaussi]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

They appear similar in size in the post-Omega-4-raid cinematic.

I seem to recall the Alliance fleet 'appearing similar in size (other than the Normandy) as it comes out of the Citadel relay. It is hard to tell even the Normandy's size with certainty, due to perspective issues and not knowing the relative distances.

Later when they get into knife fighting ranges you get to see size differences, but at range like that it is much harder to tell anything.

[obiewamkenobi89]

Moiaussi wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

They appear similar in size in the post-Omega-4-raid cinematic.

I seem to recall the Alliance fleet 'appearing similar in size (other than the Normandy) as it comes out of the Citadel relay. It is hard to tell even the Normandy's size with certainty, due to perspective issues and not knowing the relative distances.

Later when they get into knife fighting ranges you get to see size differences, but at range like that it is much harder to tell anything.

Space is huge, the spaces between them can be enormous, I don´t see any point for the reapers to design smaller vessels when they are so arrogant and perfect.

[Moiaussi]

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Space is huge, the spaces between them can be enormous, I don´t see any point for the reapers to design smaller vessels when they are so arrogant and perfect.

If they are as 'arrogant and perfect' as you claim, why the elabourate back door schemes involving the Citadel? Why not just waltz in in 'arrogant and perfect' fashion superior guns blazing?

[obiewamkenobi89]

Moiaussi wrote...

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Space is huge, the spaces between them can be enormous, I don´t see any point for the reapers to design smaller vessels when they are so arrogant and perfect.

If they are as 'arrogant and perfect' as you claim, why the elabourate back door schemes involving the Citadel? Why not just waltz in in 'arrogant and perfect' fashion superior guns blazing?

Well, they seem very arrogant, I would guess the citadel is more of a construction meant to lure organic species into adapting to their technology, and develop from it. The reapers can kill whatever they want but, it would seem point less if not before the organics have reached a certain point that makes them harvestable. if you understand. 

[obiewamkenobi89]

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Space is huge, the spaces between them can be enormous, I don´t see any point for the reapers to design smaller vessels when they are so arrogant and perfect.

If they are as 'arrogant and perfect' as you claim, why the elabourate back door schemes involving the Citadel? Why not just waltz in in 'arrogant and perfect' fashion superior guns blazing?

Well, they seem very arrogant, I would guess the citadel is more of a construction meant to lure organic species into adapting to their technology, and develop from it. The reapers can kill whatever they want but, it would seem point less if not before the organics have reached a certain point that makes them harvestable. if you understand. 

The back door scheme is probably just a shortcut compared to traveling millions of light years from dark space.

[Renaikan]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

It is a viable theory, but still just a theory and doesn't really explain the form at all. Why go through all that elabourate dress up if you are just going to hide it again? Why not use a more practical form?

Also it goes back to the blind assumption that reapers are all similar in size, which is a pure assumption especially if they are constructs.

If we stick with the assumption that they are of the same size, since we haven't seen anything that would suggest otherwise, its likely that the "squid"form is their basic ship design, the same way every plane here on earth has 2 wings and and engines. If thats the design they were programed with and it's worked well over the millenia I don't see why they would change anything.

I do hope we'll see smaller vessels though.

Why would they need to be different sizes? Anything smaller for their needs, they just indoctinate.

[Water Dumple]

Because the Keepers failed to work for the Reapers' "back door" on the Citadel, I assumed that they were ordering the indoctrinated Collectors to make another Reaper as fast as possible, to cover for them until they found a new route to the galaxy. But neither the Collectors nor the Reapers expected Shepard to be revived.

[Prince Keldar]

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

obiewamkenobi89 wrote...

Space is huge, the spaces between them can be enormous, I don´t see any point for the reapers to design smaller vessels when they are so arrogant and perfect.

If they are as 'arrogant and perfect' as you claim, why the elabourate back door schemes involving the Citadel? Why not just waltz in in 'arrogant and perfect' fashion superior guns blazing?

Well, they seem very arrogant, I would guess the citadel is more of a construction meant to lure organic species into adapting to their technology, and develop from it. The reapers can kill whatever they want but, it would seem point less if not before the organics have reached a certain point that makes them harvestable. if you understand. 

The back door scheme is probably just a shortcut compared to traveling millions of light years from dark space.

Actually I think it shows how intelligent they are.  Think about it.  the current galactic government uses the Citadel as its center.  The Citadel Council is located there.  Before them, the Protheans used the Citadel as the same thing. 

As Vigil said in ME1 when the keepers activated the relay and the reapers began the attack, the government was destroyed before they knew what was going on. 

If the reapers knew that the organic races would us the Citadel the same way then it is a good way to knock out the government and then methodically wipe out everything else.

This time however, Shepard stopped them and now they have to find some other way.

[Renaikan]

epoch_ wrote...

What was the point of Mass Effect 2?

Recruit squadmates to go on a suicide mission to take out the Collector Base.

[Renaikan]

IanPolaris wrote...

Jamin101 wrote...

i like this theory, is there any info as to why they didnt choose the protheans, they seemed to have better technology then all the main council races

They did.  EDI in fact comments on this during the Suicide Mission.  The Reapers tried to make a new reaper from Prothean genetic material and it failed, so the remaining Protheans were repurposed into the Collector slave race.

The reapers believe that humans are the best genetic material they can find for a new reaper.  Not exactly the lottery you wish to win.....

-Polaris

Yes and Mordin says something similiar as well.

[Moiaussi]

Renaikan wrote...

Why would they need to be different sizes? Anything smaller for their needs, they just indoctinate.

1) Indoctrinated individuals lose competency in direct proportion to level of control.

2) I doubt there are many frigate or scout sized aliens available who just happen to be able to propel themselves through space under their own power available to indoctrinate. Conversely, Sovereign and the derelect may well have just been of the Reaper scout class and the fleet we see in cut scenes might all be much larger Reaper capital ships.

3) Smaller ships require fewer alien smoothies to build. The reapers don't have unlimited resources any more than any other race.

[Moiaussi]

Of course it is also possible that the writers intended for ME 3 to consist of Shep and crew galavanting all over the galaxy recruiting a new and even better crew (this time for sure!) of giant space monsters, eventually leading them back to Earth... and Monster Island.... where they recruit their final crew member: GODZILLA!!!

Lol...

[Count Viceroy]

Renaikan wrote...

Why would they need to be different sizes? Anything smaller for their needs, they just indoctinate.

From what we saw of sovreign and also capital ships of that size in general are vulnerable to smaller ships, frigates and fighters in large numbers. Makes sense that they'd have ships dedicated for screening and anti fighter protection, not having any would be incredibly stupid, but if those reapers are normal reaper size they are leaving themselves vulnerable.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 août 2010 - 10:11 .

[Renaikan]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Graz73 wrote...

These are all valid points, but I also have to say "why?"

I would guess that making a human reaper would give them some advantage. Maybe the human reaper would allow for easy indoctrination of all remaining humans?

In the end, it may be a matter of faith or truism for the Reapers, that this is what they must do.

It definatly sounds like they are doing what they were programmed to do, and they do believe they are doing everyone a favor by doing it. They definatly aren't motivated by malice or something similar.

Why do you feel Reapers were programmed? Just because they are machines, it does not mean they were created by some organic life.

From Sovereign: “Reaper? A label created by the
Protheans to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they
choose to call us is irrelevant. We simply are.”

“We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it.”

How is this theory? Right after the big bang, the Reapers were born. The Galaxy's clean up crew. They are Gods. Countless Species couldn't stop them through a course of millions of years. Like I have stated in previous threads, no way should the Council or Shep and crew be able to destroy them. At best set them back a few thousand years or so.

[Count Viceroy]

Renaikan wrote...
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They were made from something, by someone. Machines do not simply evolve like organic life does. Especially not one that turns out to be a hybrid between organic and cybernetics.

My thoughts on the reapers are that they were once created by someone as a way of gaining imortality. Either they were programmed to repeat the process, or if they do indeed have free will, then they are doing it because they think they are doing us a favor. Listen to the uncut harbinger speech.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 août 2010 - 10:16 .

[Renaikan]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Why would they need to be different sizes? Anything smaller for their needs, they just indoctinate.

From what we saw of sovreign and also capital ships of that size in general are vulnerable to smaller ships, frigates and fighters in large numbers. Makes sense that they'd have ships dedicated for screening and anti fighter protection, not having any would be incredibly stupid, but if those reapers are normal reaper size they are leaving themselves vulnerable.

Not really. The Reapers have been doing this for millions of years. Seems they know what they are doing.

[Count Viceroy]

Renaikan wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Why would they need to be different sizes? Anything smaller for their needs, they just indoctinate.

From what we saw of sovreign and also capital ships of that size in general are vulnerable to smaller ships, frigates and fighters in large numbers. Makes sense that they'd have ships dedicated for screening and anti fighter protection, not having any would be incredibly stupid, but if those reapers are normal reaper size they are leaving themselves vulnerable.

Not really. The Reapers have been doing this for millions of years. Seems they know what they are doing.

Uhm, yes how do we know how smoothly things went in the past, the only thing we have to go on is from the last cleanup, the protheans. And presumably this is the first time the citadel trap has failed. Forcing the reapers to potentially face a united front head on, instead of scattered forces with no way to communicate or travel. It's a bit different this time.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 août 2010 - 10:18 .

[Renaikan]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Renaikan wrote...
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They were made from something, by someone. Machines do not simply evolve like organic life does. Especially not one that turns out to be a hybrid between organic and cybernetics.

You are basically thinking inside the box. Ever hear of this new theory proposed we all may be in someones Virtual world? Matrix anyone? lol www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html or should I make another example, Transformers.

Seriously, Protheans gave them the name Reapers. Sovereign stated they just are. No creator.

[Renaikan]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Why would they need to be different sizes? Anything smaller for their needs, they just indoctinate.

From what we saw of sovreign and also capital ships of that size in general are vulnerable to smaller ships, frigates and fighters in large numbers. Makes sense that they'd have ships dedicated for screening and anti fighter protection, not having any would be incredibly stupid, but if those reapers are normal reaper size they are leaving themselves vulnerable.

Not really. The Reapers have been doing this for millions of years. Seems they know what they are doing.

Uhm, yes how do we know how smoothly things went in the past, the only thing we have to go on is from the last cleanup, the protheans. And presumably this is the first time the citadel trap has failed. Forcing the reapers to potentially face a united front head on, instead of scattered forces with no way to communicate or travel. It's a bit different this time.

A bit different, how? Who says before the Protheans were wiped out, The Reapers did not face a multi species in a previous cycle? I am going by facts here. What I see are Reapers in game. Protheans and the species before them wiped out.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Renaikan wrote...

Ever hear of this new theory proposed we all may be in someones Virtual world? Matrix anyone? lol www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html

LOL is right.

[Moiaussi]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Why would they need to be different sizes? Anything smaller for their needs, they just indoctinate.

From what we saw of sovreign and also capital ships of that size in general are vulnerable to smaller ships, frigates and fighters in large numbers. Makes sense that they'd have ships dedicated for screening and anti fighter protection, not having any would be incredibly stupid, but if those reapers are normal reaper size they are leaving themselves vulnerable.

Actually we saw that reapers that are disrupted by a major hit to their consciousness (i.e. the elimination of Mecha-saren) are very vulnerable. Not sure that there is much that can be concluded from that...

All ships in that engagement also warped in at close range, due to the nebula and the proximity of the relay. The nebula was likely affecting shields too.