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[Moiaussi]

Renaikan wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Renaikan wrote...
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They were made from something, by someone. Machines do not simply evolve like organic life does. Especially not one that turns out to be a hybrid between organic and cybernetics.

You are basically thinking inside the box. Ever hear of this new theory proposed we all may be in someones Virtual world? Matrix anyone? lol www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html or should I make another example, Transformers.

Seriously, Protheans gave them the name Reapers. Sovereign stated they just are. No creator.

The enemy in Matrix was man-made. The machines took over ala Terminator, but with a greater degree of success.

The transformers have been the way they were long enough to have lost knowledge of their creators. Either way machines don't spontaneously come into being. They *could* be silicon based or non-carbon based life though, which could mean they seem similar to machines but have evolved.

[MajesticJazz]

What I never understood was how was this Human Reaper supposed to get around? I mean, was it a ship? Or was it supposed to be stored on the cuttelfish looking Reaper Ships and then be deployed down on planets to reek havoc God of War style?

[Count Viceroy]

Moiaussi wrote...

Actually we saw that reapers that are disrupted by a major hit to their consciousness (i.e. the elimination of Mecha-saren) are very vulnerable. Not sure that there is much that can be concluded from that...

All ships in that engagement also warped in at close range, due to the nebula and the proximity of the relay. The nebula was likely affecting shields too.

Yes obviously in sovreigns case. But from what we saw of his armaments, its mostly carrying thanix style super sized weapons perfect for dealing with capital ships, who's to say they could even hit something as nimble and small as a frigate with those things. Never mind a fighter swarm from a carrier.

All I'm saying is, unless reapers got other means of fighting off
smaller fleets we haven't seen yet, I don't see the problem of just overwhelming them with small craft carrying thanix model weapons and disruptor torpedoes.  But that feels like it would be too simple somehow.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 août 2010 - 11:58 .

[Count Viceroy]

Renaikan wrote...

You are basically thinking inside the box. Ever hear of this new theory proposed we all may be in someones Virtual world? Matrix anyone? lol www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html or should I make another example, Transformers.

Seriously, Protheans gave them the name Reapers. Sovereign stated they just are. No creator.

I'm working with what we've been presented with so far, If you'd rather think up something super ridicilous like that you're free to do so. I wouldn't expect much of it to hit home however.

[Moiaussi]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

This has been stated the time and time again, but it is likely that the humen reaper would end up looking similar to those already existing in the Reaper fleet at the end of the game.

And it has been asked over and over again 'if they are going in a reaper ship shell anyway, why the humanoid form?'

[Count Viceroy]

Moiaussi wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

This has been stated the time and time again, but it is likely that the humen reaper would end up looking similar to those already existing in the Reaper fleet at the end of the game.

And it has been asked over and over again 'if they are going in a reaper ship shell anyway, why the humanoid form?'

How about a tribute, if you will. If the reapers do believe they are making the speices in question a favor by basically helping them ascend into godhod from their point of view, making it in the image of their race as a homage would make some sense. Then they are encased in the reaper shell in order to work as a ship.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 27 août 2010 - 12:12 .

[chris025657]

The main plot of ME 2 seemed like an odd detour in the fight against the Reapers until I heard a theory about Reaper origins that ties it together better.



Rather than the reapers beginning as a machines that rebelled against their masters, this theory argues that the Reapers began as an advanced organic race. At some point they decided to make themselves into their current bio synthetic form. They may have feared their own deaths or wanted to reach some higher understanding. Now they see it as their mission to advance and eventually convert all other organic races into Reapers.



This theory explains many of Sovereign's comments and much in ME 2, such as the human reaper. Sovereign was saying things such as (I'm paraphrasing here) "Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal" or "we are the pinnacle of evolution"



It also explain Harbingers whole "We are your salvation through destruction" or "We are their tools of their perfection"

[ajw]

I'm not sure why the Reapers chose to mimmic a human form - maybe its just something that happens when they reduce an individual species to that grey bio-metallic paste that's used to build/grow the Reaper as the paste would still contain some genetic material.



Personally I don't see the Reapers as machines because there not really machines. I would describe Reapers as being biomechanoid i.e partly machine, partly organic basically the ultimate fusion of machine and organic technology.



As for who created them I wouldn't be surprised if that race turned out to be the Keepers - or whatever the Keepers were originally. After all the Reapers have shown that they are quite capable of biologically reengineering a race to suit a new task if they can't be made into a Reaper themselves. The surviving Protheans being transformed into the Collectors shows this.

[Spectreshadow]

Just wanted to throw in that the Reapers also use the Citadel relay because it allows them to lock the mass relays. You do that and every species is trapped in easily manageable sections of the galaxy.

[Exile Isan]

If you want to get right down to it the Reapers are the Borg.

[Bad King]

Harbinger's dialogue at the end of ME2 ("we will find another way...") implies that they would have used the human reaper(s) to either find a way to allow the reaper fleet into the milky way or to commit the reaper genocide without the main reaper fleet. Both options would most likely require multiple reapers- an attack on the citadel (to access the relay) without someone on the inside (to open and close the arms and lock the nearby relays) would require a lot of firepower in order to defeat the combined galactic fleet (multiple reapers would be necessary). The second option would also probably require a lot of human reapers- even with the collectors' help, the genocide of an entire galaxy would be almost impossible for just one reaper.



On the Collector ship, it is implied that the collectors are targetting earth. However an attack on earth would require a lot of firepower. Maybe the collectors planned to build a reaper using colonists from the terminus system and then use it for their attack on earth. It took hundreds of thousands of humans to construct the human reaper embryo. With billions of humans I'm sure the collectors would be able to construct multiple reapers.

[Renaikan]

Moiaussi wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Renaikan wrote...
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They were made from something, by someone. Machines do not simply evolve like organic life does. Especially not one that turns out to be a hybrid between organic and cybernetics.

You are basically thinking inside the box. Ever hear of this new theory proposed we all may be in someones Virtual world? Matrix anyone? lol www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html or should I make another example, Transformers.

Seriously, Protheans gave them the name Reapers. Sovereign stated they just are. No creator.

The enemy in Matrix was man-made. The machines took over ala Terminator, but with a greater degree of success.

The transformers have been the way they were long enough to have lost knowledge of their creators. Either way machines don't spontaneously come into being. They *could* be silicon based or non-carbon based life though, which could mean they seem similar to machines but have evolved.

I was not being serious with the first part. Why the lol at the end. You bring up good points that maybe the Reapers are silcone based or non carbon based.

Basically we have very little info about them. Only what we got from the first two games. So best we can do is speculate.

[Renaikan]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

You are basically thinking inside the box. Ever hear of this new theory proposed we all may be in someones Virtual world? Matrix anyone? lol www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html or should I make another example, Transformers.

Seriously, Protheans gave them the name Reapers. Sovereign stated they just are. No creator.

I'm working with what we've been presented with so far, If you'd rather think up something super ridicilous like that you're free to do so. I wouldn't expect much of it to hit home however.

So am I, which is very little info from the first two games on the Reapers. I was going by that in my previous post. By the way, the first part of my statement, I was joking around, Why the lol at the end of it.

[Renaikan]

Exile Isan wrote...

If you want to get right down to it the Reapers are the Borg.

LMAO!

[AresXX7]

after millions of years (more than 37 million, that we know of)

their base programming could have been overwritten, long "forgotten" due to obsolete forms of data keeping
or whatever.

so who knows if they even "remember" the how, who, & why,  reasons, they were created for, in the first place

it could very well be a similar situation, like the A.I. that was stealing credits in ME1, where a V.I. created the A.I.
without the original creator's knowledge & it took over
(possible use of "foreshadowing", anyone? )

[Killjoy Cutter]

Moiaussi wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

This has been stated the time and time again, but it is likely that the humen reaper would end up looking similar to those already existing in the Reaper fleet at the end of the game.

And it has been asked over and over again 'if they are going in a reaper ship shell anyway, why the humanoid form?'

Given the quasi-mystical nature of what's going on with the Reapers, perhaps it's just how it works when you render down a lot of the same species into a new Reaper. 

As an aside, interesting that it's called a "larva" when you target it during the fight.

[FellishBeast]

REShepard wrote...

And also expect to this to be clarified a bit more in ME3.

LOL:O

[Lazarus Cricket]

I wonder if the reapers were like hanar when they are alive. I could just see the ultra nice, polite ones turning into genocidal maniacs when given ultimate power and remover from their soft squishy bodys.

*Robot squid firing lazers and crushing people* hanar voice. "This one is now immune to pain. This one is pleasured by your demise, you can not comprehend"

[SaintFrancoiS]

be the next evolution in the reaper scale!