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[MaxQuartiroli]

Kalledon wrote...

Just to be clear as I'm currently doing a playthrough with a romance on Morrigan. Once Morrigan talks to you during the party split in Denerim, do NOT speak to her again if you want to keep your Love going? Also, does it matter whether or not you leave her at the gates or bring her to fight the Archdemon?

Yes, don't talk to her at all !!! For what I know, and people told me, if you only ACCIDENTALLY click on her and start a conversation the romance is over.. therefore save often, in different slots and check that the approval bar is always set on "love"... otherwise reload

[robmokron]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Kalledon wrote...

Just to be clear as I'm currently doing a playthrough with a romance on Morrigan. Once Morrigan talks to you during the party split in Denerim, do NOT speak to her again if you want to keep your Love going? Also, does it matter whether or not you leave her at the gates or bring her to fight the Archdemon?

Yes, don't talk to her at all !!! For what I know, and people told me, if you only ACCIDENTALLY click on her and start a conversation the romance is over.. therefore save often, in different slots and check that the approval bar is always set on "love"... otherwise reload

that doesn't make any sense, if you tromance her, and choose the ritual, she still loves you, she just goes away, when you talk to her after denerim, she still wants to love you, so i don't think its an issue, if it is i have a alot of backtracking to do ahaha >.>

[Brockololly]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...


Just image that for every action you do there is a matching variable instruction that is constantly updated like a switch which can be set on ON/OFF, depending on your actions.. So there will be a switch (flag) called "Morrigan Romance": when you meet Morrigan the first time that switch will obviously be set on OFF, once you begin to romance her that switch will be on ON..if you break up the romance the switch will go back to OFF; actually, things are more complex, mine is an easy explanation just to give you an idea of what "flags" are.

When you import a game (or also when you continue from that save) the game reads whether that switch is on ON or OFF and then act as a consequence,.. same thing for every single variable option you have in the game.

I really hope this bug doesn't become an issue in Witch Hunt but I have a feeling it will, especially since its been neglected since Awakening.


For reference I'll try to clarify as I see it: After the Ritual, if you start the conversation with Morrigan which starts with you "talking about last night" when Morrigan says this line:

"What was done had to be done. I regret it not. I shall be leaving, as I said, and so this... entanglement of ours must end. Do you understand?."

That specific line unsets the APP_MORRIGAN_ROMANCE_ACTIVE flag and since Awakening is looking for that flag to get the Morrigan epilogue, you're out of luck. At the end of that conversation, though another flag does get set: APP_MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE. In order to get the "sorrow and regret" epilogue in Origins you need the STILL_IN_LOVE flag set though..... so which flag is important for Witch Hunt?



What we need to know is what flags Witch Hunt will read to assess Morrigan's status? Is it simply the APP_MORRIGAN_ROMANCE_ACTIVE flag that needs to be set, or do we need the APP_MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE flag to be set? A developer response would be much abliged.

Modifié par Brockololly, 27 août 2010 - 07:35 .

[Kalledon]

Basically, we know there is an issue with the Morrigan romance being imported into Awakening. Can someone in BioWare let us know what we should NOT do to keep our Morrigan romance properly transfered from Origins proper to Awakening and onto WH?

[MaxQuartiroli]

Brockololly wrote...
For reference I'll try to clarify as I see it: After the Ritual, if you start the conversation with Morrigan which starts with you "talking about last night" when Morrigan says this line:

"What was done had to be done. I regret it not. I shall be leaving, as I said, and so this... entanglement of ours must end. Do you understand?."

That specific line unsets the APP_MORRIGAN_ROMANCE_ACTIVE flag and since Awakening is looking for that flag to get the Morrigan epilogue, you're out of luck. At the end of that conversation, though another flag does get set: APP_MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE. In order to get the "sorrow and regret" epilogue in Origins you need the STILL_IN_LOVE flag set though..... so which flag is important for Witch Hunt?

What we need to know is what flags Witch Hunt will read to assess Morrigan's status? Is it simply the APP_MORRIGAN_ROMANCE_ACTIVE flag that needs to be set, or do we need the APP_MORRIGAN_STILL_IN_LOVE flag to be set? A developer response would be much abliged.

Well at this point I just hope WH will read the same one which was read by Awakening.. Do you know how many people changed their Origins final, givin'up on the ring ending, and then played Awakening again just to have the proper ending? I know a lot of people who did it... It would be really unfair now to force them to backtrack everything one more time..

[Brockololly]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...
Well at this point I just hope WH will read the same one which was read by Awakening.. Do you know how many people changed their Origins final, givin'up on the ring ending, and then played Awakening again just to have the proper ending? I know a lot of people who did it... It would be really unfair now to force them to backtrack everything one more time..

I  played through Awakening again just to get the Morrigan epilogue. It was soooo deflating to play thorough Awakening that first time only to get to the epilogue slides expecting some mention of Morrigan, only to get nothing.

I can imagine many people will be quite upset if the import feature is messed up for Witch Hunt like it was in Awakening. Hell, it would totally break the DLC, IMO.  If we don't hear what flags they're using, I'll likely just import from Origins with the romance active flag set, since thats the one Awakening seemingly read.

I'd just really want to know what the difference is between the romance active flag and the still in love flag as it pertains to Witch Hunt....

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 août 2010 - 01:14 .

[robmokron]

Brockololly wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...
Well at this point I just hope WH will read the same one which was read by Awakening.. Do you know how many people changed their Origins final, givin'up on the ring ending, and then played Awakening again just to have the proper ending? I know a lot of people who did it... It would be really unfair now to force them to backtrack everything one more time..

I  played through Awakening again just to get the Morrigan epilogue. It was soooo deflating to play thorough Awakening that first time only to get to the epilogue slides expecting some mention of Morrigan, only to get nothing.

I can imagine many people will be quite upset if the import feature is messed up for Witch Hunt like it was in Awakening. Hell, it would totally break the DLC, IMO.  If we don't hear what flags they're using, I'll likely just import from Origins with the romance active flag set, since thats the one Awakening seemingly read.

I'd just really want to know what the difference is between the romance active flag and the still in love flag as it pertains to Witch Hunt....

is the epilogue about morrigan after the origins ends? Cause I had it mention her about he vanishing

[MaxQuartiroli]

Brockololly wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...
Well at this point I just hope WH will read the same one which was read by Awakening.. Do you know how many people changed their Origins final, givin'up on the ring ending, and then played Awakening again just to have the proper ending? I know a lot of people who did it... It would be really unfair now to force them to backtrack everything one more time..

I  played through Awakening again just to get the Morrigan epilogue. It was soooo deflating to play thorough Awakening that first time only to get to the epilogue slides expecting some mention of Morrigan, only to get nothing.

I can imagine many people will be quite upset if the import feature is messed up for Witch Hunt like it was in Awakening. Hell, it would totally break the DLC, IMO.  If we don't hear what flags they're using, I'll likely just import from Origins with the romance active flag set, since thats the one Awakening seemingly read.

I'd just really want to know what the difference is between the romance active flag and the still in love flag as it pertains to Witch Hunt....

If I am not wrong they never answered to this question about the wrong ending in Awakening , and I remember there was a big thread at the top of the forum for a long long time.. therefore I am not expecting any answer also this time..
What we can do is to play Witch Hunt and  hope that we have the right flag active... the logic choice should be that WH read the "romance active flag" and not the "still in love flag", like Awakening did. In the opposite case we'll have to reload at Denerim Gates, turn the love status to friendship, get the Ring Final, play again Awakening, getting the "no mention of Morrigan" final and then go to Witch Hunt..
Anyway.. whatever they will do, we already know that will be impossible to have the best final in all games

[robmokron]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...
Well at this point I just hope WH will read the same one which was read by Awakening.. Do you know how many people changed their Origins final, givin'up on the ring ending, and then played Awakening again just to have the proper ending? I know a lot of people who did it... It would be really unfair now to force them to backtrack everything one more time..

I  played through Awakening again just to get the Morrigan epilogue. It was soooo deflating to play thorough Awakening that first time only to get to the epilogue slides expecting some mention of Morrigan, only to get nothing.

I can imagine many people will be quite upset if the import feature is messed up for Witch Hunt like it was in Awakening. Hell, it would totally break the DLC, IMO.  If we don't hear what flags they're using, I'll likely just import from Origins with the romance active flag set, since thats the one Awakening seemingly read.

I'd just really want to know what the difference is between the romance active flag and the still in love flag as it pertains to Witch Hunt....

If I am not wrong they never answered to this question about the wrong ending in Awakening , and I remember there was a big thread at the top of the forum for a long long time.. therefore I am not expecting any answer also this time..
What we can do is to play Witch Hunt and  hope that we have the right flag active... the logic choice should be that WH read the "romance active flag" and not the "still in love flag", like Awakening did. In the opposite case we'll have to reload at Denerim Gates, turn the love status to friendship, get the Ring Final, play again Awakening, getting the "no mention of Morrigan" final and then go to Witch Hunt..
Anyway.. whatever they will do, we already know that will be impossible to have the best final in all games

so i imagine if you have a xbox version, your morally screwed, worse case scenario I can't find my copy of origins >.>

[robmokron]

quick question - how do you know if you have an good morrigan flag with the xbox? Im looking at my character on the social bioware site and it said i made the ultimate sacrifice and the dark ritual...

[MaxQuartiroli]

robmokron wrote...

quick question - how do you know if you have an good morrigan flag with the xbox? Im looking at my character on the social bioware site and it said i made the ultimate sacrifice and the dark ritual...

When you finish the game you have to get the text-box which says that Morrigan disappeared and she was seen crossing the mountains pregnant.. That's the end which you get if your romance is still active, and the flag that Awakening reads to give you the final where Morrigan is present...

If you get the final where you feel her pain and her regret for leaving you through the ring (which APPEARENTLY should be the most romantic one) it means that your romance is over, and Awakening won't recognize it, too

Checking your final and the status bar of Morrigan before you finish the game (whether it's set on LOVE or FRIENDSHIP) are the only way you have to understand if you have a good flag or not... But the problem now is that nobody knows what is the "good" flag for Witch Hunt.. we only know what was the good one for Awakening... 

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 28 août 2010 - 06:39 .

[naledgeborn]

I imagine that post-epilogue camp interaction with Morrigan will decide. On consoles we have no way of distinguishing Friendship/Love other than "Your desire?/What comes my friend?". So I'd suggest either not doing the DR and sacrificing Loghain (if you want King Alistair) or not directly talking to Morrigan after the DR as she will break off the relationship regardless of what you say. I'd also like to add that this DLC better be worth the wait and anticipation. I passed up a ring slot for the better half of an entire game +/- an expac and 2 dlcs for a ring that only gave me a small willpower boost.

[robmokron]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

robmokron wrote...

quick question - how do you know if you have an good morrigan flag with the xbox? Im looking at my character on the social bioware site and it said i made the ultimate sacrifice and the dark ritual...

When you finish the game you have to get the text-box which says that Morrigan disappeared and she was seen crossing the mountains pregnant.. That's the end which you get if your romance is still active, and the flag that Awakening reads to give you the final where Morrigan is present...

thx, i beleive that it talked about morrigan going up the mountains being pregant, so i think im all good

If you get the final where you feel her pain and her regret for leaving you through the ring (which APPEARENTLY should be the most romantic one) it means that your romance is over, and Awakening won't recognize it, too

Checking your final and the status bar of Morrigan before you finish the game (whether it's set on LOVE or FRIENDSHIP) are the only way you have to understand if you have a good flag or not... But the problem now is that nobody knows what is the "good" flag for Witch Hunt.. we only know what was the good one for Awakening... 

[LadyKarrakaz]

BTW, can we refuse the dark ritual and still be considered in love with Morrigan?

[Brockololly]

Purple Lady wrote...

BTW, can we refuse the dark ritual and still be considered in love with Morrigan?

I'm not sure, to be honest. I think if you refuse the Dark Ritual it simply sets a flag that recognizes that you turned down the Ritual. But I'm not sure it does anything with Morrigan's romance flags....

[LadyKarrakaz]

Brockololly wrote...

Purple Lady wrote...

BTW, can we refuse the dark ritual and still be considered in love with Morrigan?

I'm not sure, to be honest. I think if you refuse the Dark Ritual it simply sets a flag that recognizes that you turned down the Ritual. But I'm not sure it does anything with Morrigan's romance flags....

Checked the ending of origins, it seems to recognize that they were lovers despite the ritual refusal. With some luch, witch hunt will recognize this as well.

[robmokron]

I just beat awakening, it said i went west looking for a dark haired sorceress, is that the right love flag?

[MaxQuartiroli]

robmokron wrote...

I just beat awakening, it said i went west looking for a dark haired sorceress, is that the right love flag?

Yes it is.. If you had the wrong one you wouldn't read that..

[Dravar]

Oh man, that stinks. I wasn't even aware that there was supposed to be a mention of Morrigan in Awakening's epilogue if you had a romance with her. I guess I encountered that bug.



I really hope they put something into Witch Hunt that can let you Flag that you had a romance with her, so I don't have to completely replay the end of Origins, then replay that character all the way through Awakenings.

[Rikudou Sennin]

Ur not the onli one Dravar, when i did awakening (even tho i neva told Morrigan i'll follow her) it probably said the same thing for me but then u disappear (hopefull not death) and but i sugges do Golems of Amgarrak before witch hunt (onli lvled by 1-2 lvls)

[Gnoster]

I've heard that if you do talk to Morrigan and she is set to friend status instead on love status, then you can load the postepilogue game, give her a gift to get back to love status, save that game and then import that into Awakening for the correct status. Thus you don't have to do the entire replay from Denerim gates.

Please note I haven't tried this myself yet, but I am currently running a playthrough where I will try it.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Gnoster wrote...

I've heard that if you do talk to Morrigan and she is set to friend status instead on love status, then you can load the postepilogue game, give her a gift to get back to love status, save that game and then import that into Awakening for the correct status. Thus you don't have to do the entire replay from Denerim gates.
Please note I haven't tried this myself yet, but I am currently running a playthrough where I will try it.

I am not sure, but I trust that the gift that allow you to do that is the golden mirror 'cause it triggers a specific cutscene-dialogue.. Therefore you have this chance only if you kept that gift and you didn't give it to her during the game... 

I don't know if you can recover the love status also with a generic gift... Anyway.. Even if you manage to do that there is no other way for Awakening than play it again, if you had the wrong ending with no mention of Morrigan

[MoSa09]

Gnoster wrote...

I've heard that if you do talk to Morrigan and she is set to friend status instead on love status, then you can load the postepilogue game, give her a gift to get back to love status, save that game and then import that into Awakening for the correct status. Thus you don't have to do the entire replay from Denerim gates.
Please note I haven't tried this myself yet, but I am currently running a playthrough where I will try it.

The only gft that works here is her golden mirror, and this only sets her romance active if you didn't gave it to her before. So just using console commands to generate a second mirror won't work. Its especially bad for the console players who can't even check their relationship status.

Its a disgrace really, this bug is known since Awakening release, and various devs have been informed and asked for clarification. Their was either no response or "none of my business".

So i guess many people will be upset once they realized their Witch Hunt playthrough didn't turned the way it could be simply because they encountered a bug BW did not even to bother to have a look, let alone fix it.

[TheLion36]

Just had another funny problem with Morrigan's romance status coincidentally! 
I did most of the main quests and had done most of the conversations with her already, gotten the ring and had just given her the mirror, yet still she was at 100 (Adore), checked with some of my other characters and they were are 100 (Love) much much earlier...
I eventually solved it by loading the savegame prior to giving her the mirror and asked her to teach ShapeShifting. Then I picked the threatening option that tells her that she better get the desire to train someone... This of course cost me some approval, but it also automatically turned the status to (Love)... Then I gave her the mirror to make up for the lost approval points and am now at 100 (Love) again!
I guess in this character's "universe" Morrigan really liked fighting with him!

Modifié par TheLion36, 01 septembre 2010 - 03:28 .

[HellWyrm]

Ugh, Well, I guess this means my Morrigan romance/ Human Noble file will have to wait until some true clarification is given. :|