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[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

I honestly didn't get all the love for Tali during the first game. She was annoying as hell and she was my least favourite squadmate in the game. But after her loyalty mission in ME2, she turned out to be my most favourite character in the game. Funny how that works.

But anyways, during Shepard's "speech" at the court hearing or whatever, I stood up for Tali and used the Paragon dialgue option. And when he talked about how Tali played a HUGE part in stopping the geth and Saren in ME, I honestly got goosebumps. His delivery was just so damn...powerful and gut-wrenching. And when he said "Tali van-Normandy" and talked about how she's a part of HIS crew, I seriously lost it.

That's the best example of character development I can come up with in the whole series.

Anyone feel the same?

Modifié par xXSnak3Eat3rXx, 26 août 2010 - 04:16 .

[Collider]

I like her loyalty mission too. But this thread is going to turn out badly.

[Elyvern]

So Tali's a...royal princess now?

[kaimanaMM]

Queen Tali Van Normandy for ME3?

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

Sorry guys, fixed.

Collider wrote...

I like her loyalty mission too. But this thread is going to turn out badly.

Why is that?

[epoch_]

I disagree.

Modifié par epoch_, 26 août 2010 - 05:31 .

[cihimi]

mashavasilec wrote...

Royalty mission, mm-hmm

Did she get loads of credit? or a house in the homeworld?

[Collider]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

It's okay. I actually think that Mordin's loyalty mission features the best writing and is the most emotionally resonant, and also contains the best character development within the game.

Yea, his loyalty mission is great. One of my favorites.

[PsyrenY]

I actually didn't like the Paragon argument; it was too obvious that it was a feint. It basically says "Tali's such a good person, please don't exile her!" Even Qwib Qwib sees through it for a moment ("I fail to see the relevance-"), he just isn't forceful enough to follow through. If the Quarians had prosecutors, Shepard would've been skewered right there.



The [Rally the Crowd] and Renegade options were a much better example of steamrolling the opposition, imo. Renegade basically says "I couldn't give two ****s about your flotilla, but when the crap you do here starts affecting my crew before a big mission, then I have to put you in your place."



Rally the crowd does what the Paragon option should have done - exposed the Admirals' political agenda behind the trial. The "I Am Spartacus" moment afterward with Veetor and Kal'Reegar was just icing on the cake.

[Collider]

Optimystic_X wrote...

I actually didn't like the Paragon argument; it was too obvious that it was a feint. It basically says "Tali's such a good person, please don't exile her!" Even Qwib Qwib sees through it for a moment ("I fail to see the relevance-"), he just isn't forceful enough to follow through. If the Quarians had prosecutors, Shepard would've been skewered right there.

The [Rally the Crowd] and Renegade options were a much better example of steamrolling the opposition, imo. Renegade basically says "I couldn't give two ****s about your flotilla, but when the crap you do here starts affecting my crew before a big mission, then I have to put you in your place."

Rally the crowd does what the Paragon option should have done - exposed the Admirals' political agenda behind the trial. The "I Am Spartacus" moment afterward with Veetor and Kal'Reegar was just icing on the cake.

Good points - just a note here. What Shepard says in the charm/intimidate options (and possibly the rally option, haven't tried that one yet) depends on whether Shepard spoke to the admirals or not. Speaking to the admirals before the trial sentencing takes place allows Shepard to find out about the admirals' infighting (and therefore further revealing to Shepard that the trial is more about the admirals' agendas than about Tali).

Modifié par Collider, 26 août 2010 - 03:40 .

[OniGanon]

One thing I don't like about the mission is that the "I didn't represent one of your people. I represented one of mine." line is mutually exclusive with any comment on the upcoming war against the Geth. I want to discourage a war against the Geth, but at the same time, that's an awesome line and I want to use it.

[PsyrenY]

Collider wrote...

Good points - just a note here. What Shepard says in the charm/intimidate options (and possibly the rally option, haven't tried that one yet) depends on whether Shepard spoke to the admirals or not. Speaking to the admirals before the trial sentencing takes place allows Shepard to find out about the admirals' infighting (and therefore further revealing to Shepard that the trial is more about the admirals' agendas than about Tali).

I always talk to the admirals, and the Paragon option still focuses too much on "Tali helped me against Saren, Tali helped me against the Geth." Which are wonderful pluses for her character but have no bearing on the trial. He does then mention the admirals' agenda, but it feels like an afterthought rather than the lynchpin of the argument as it should be.

"Rally the Crowd," on the other hand, starts with their agenda - making it the much more compelling argument. ("None of you care about Tali!" I love that line!) And despite its location on the wheel, it's definitely a paragon option since saving Kal'reegar and Veetor requires being a paragon at those points in the story.

OniGanon wrote...

One thing I don't like about the mission is that the "I didn't represent one of your people. I represented one of mine." line is mutually exclusive with any comment on the upcoming war against the Geth. I want to discourage a war against the Geth, but at the same time, that's an awesome line and I want to use it.

Why is it? The Admirals handed Tali over to you, both in approving her transfer request and in forcibly changing her name. She IS one of your people now, and it's their own fault. How does pointing that out contradict your anti-war stance?

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 26 août 2010 - 03:54 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I agree. I ALWAYS get goosebumps in that exact scene.

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

What the..? I fixed the spelling in my title like an hour ago and it's changed back.



Anyways, I also love the mission on that Geth planet (forget the name) where you have to rescue Tali and her crew.

[NuclearBuddha]

OniGanon wrote...
One thing I don't like about the mission is that the "I didn't represent one of your people. I represented one of mine." line is mutually exclusive with any comment on the upcoming war against the Geth. I want to discourage a war against the Geth, but at the same time, that's an awesome line and I want to use it.

I'm selfish, I guess.  I feel like I should speak out against the war, but I like the line enough that I usually go with that instead.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 26 août 2010 - 04:31 .

[OniGanon]

Optimystic_X wrote...
Why is it? The Admirals handed Tali over to you, both in approving her transfer request and in forcibly changing her name. She IS one of your people now, and it's their own fault. How does pointing that out contradict your anti-war stance?

The two lines are mutually exclusive. By choosing one, you cannot choose the other. Both lines end the conversation and the trial.

And as far as speeches go, I think the Renegade speech was the best. Rally the Crowd is good too. I don't like the Paragon speech so much.

Modifié par OniGanon, 26 août 2010 - 05:28 .

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

What's this "Rally the Crowd" ?? I've only played the game once and that was like a couple of months ago so I might have missed it.

[SonofMacPhisto]

I'm with you on this one. For me, since I had connections from ME1 with Garrus and Tali, their loyality missions were the most memorable.

'Rally the Crowd' is a gem. Who doesn't like Adam Baldwin/Kal when he's angry?

EDIT @SnakeEater - If you give Veetor over to Tali on Freedom's Progress, keep Kal alive on Haestrom, you can talk to them after the first part of the trial and ask for their help in Tali's defense.  When you get back from recapturing the quarian ship, you'll see *Rally the Crowd* as an option.  Shepard stirs up the place, and then both of them speak up in favor of Tali.  Kal's part is great.  The admiral's bow to the crowd's pressure, and Tali doesn't get exiled.

Modifié par SonofMacPhisto, 26 août 2010 - 05:56 .

[Siansonea]

I really really really don't get the Tali fixation.

That said, I thought her loyalty mission was very well done, one of the more well-thought-out ones. Obviously BioWare paid a LOT of attention to this character. But greatest moment in the SERIES? I have to disagree. But this is a purely subjective phenomenon, of course everyone will respond differently to the various characters and storylines.

My favorite playthrough for this mission was actually my psychotic Renegade Ashley Shepard, who informed the Admiralty Board about Rael'Zorah's actions on the Alarei. That was a lot of fun.

[OniGanon]

To Rally the Crowd, I think you need to have spoken to the Admirals, let Veetor go with Tali and have Kal'Reegar survive.



I'm not sure of the exact requirements, because I do all those things in every playthrough anyway.

[SonofMacPhisto]

Siansonea II wrote...

I really really really don't get the Tali fixation.

I don't have a fixation on her like some folks, but I think I get it.  She's smart, cute, and a kind of interstellar vagabond.  If you liked her in ME1 (like I did), the opportunity for a romantic relationship was a pretty cool revelation.  Gamers are also not known for their... how do I put this... self-control?  Lol.

I also think she's got a great ass and hips, so, there's that.

[Barquiel]

I think Tali's loyalty mission would be more interesting without the charm/intimidate option.

We get the perfect "hero saves the day, everybody wins" solution...and no difficult decision (=Connor/Isolde II)

[Sleepicub09]

Barquiel wrote...

I think Tali's loyalty mission would be more interesting without the charm/intimidate option.
We get the perfect "hero saves the day, everybody wins" solution...and no difficult decision (=Connor/Isolde II)

then it wouldn't be mass effect