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[Sand King]

What's not to get?

[KainrycKarr]

Sand King wrote...

What's not to get?

You said exactly. What I said was correct, yet you attacked me for disagreeing with what you felt was an opinion, which it wasn't. He said something that was false. You are not forced to make physical contact, as it is an optional paragon interrupt.

[Sand King]

What Nick was referring to was that it is only Tali's loyalty mission that has the option to make physical contact. Which can make one feel that the game wants you to be emotionality close to Tali more so that other characters in the story.

[KainrycKarr]

Sand King wrote...

What Nick was referring to was that it is only Tali's loyalty mission that has the option to make physical contact. Which can make one feel that the game wants you to be emotionality close to Tali more so that other characters in the story.

Personally, I always felt miranda was more forced, but to each their own.

Still though, the fact that it's entirely optional would seem to me to be indication that is in fact, not forced.

[Christmas Ape]

Sand King wrote...

What Nick was referring to was that it is only Tali's loyalty mission that has the option to make physical contact. Which can make one feel that the game wants you to be emotionality close to Tali more so that other characters in the story.

Well, to be fair, Tali's the most emotionally 'available' squadmate. Legion's a robot, Grunt's loyalty mission is fun for him, Mordin's emotionally processed his mission by the time you leave the room, Jack doesn't trust, Miranda has an image to maintain, Thane's mission is a family affair, Samara approaches the entire world through her code, Jacob's written to not care once it's over, Zaeed is...I shouldn't have to finish this one.
Kasumi...well, okay, that might have been alright if you choose to destroy the data, but it would have put a damper on her irreverence aboard the Normandy.
Garrus...I feel like he could probably use one when it's over, but would be incredibly confused and awkward in a "Why are you squeezing me with your body?" kind of way. He's either stoic or pissed at the end, and neither says "comfort me" in turian socialization.
Tali just...needs it more than anybody else.

[Sand King]

I doesn't matter that it was optional, it is the fact that it is only in Tail's mission. That is why it feels forced.

[Christmas Ape]

Attempting to parse "optional action with no penalties for being ignored is forced on you".



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LOGIC FAULT ERROR. PLEASE REBOOT.

[PsyrenY]

Sand King wrote...

I doesn't matter that it was optional, it is the fact that it is only in Tail's mission. That is why it feels forced.

It's probably only in her mission because she's the only one with a dead father in her mission.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of Tali either, but the blind hate gets ridiculous sometimes.

(And if you mention Grunt I'll reach through the internet and thwack you.)

[Pacifien]

There are two paragon interrupts in regards to Shepard hugging someone. One is Tali's loyalty mission, because she's distraught at finding her dead father. The other is Samara's loyalty mission, where Nef's mother is distraught because her daughter is dead. There really isn't another situation in all the other loyalty missions for Shepard to get all huggy feely because the squadmates keep their composure for the most part. And you don't have to hug either person, so don't see what's so forced about it.

[NICKjnp]

There is more that one time you have to touch Tali during her loyalty mission.  The other times are at the hearing.  You don't get an option to not touch her there.
Side-note:  I wish the paragon interup was like Zaeed's paragon interupt. 

[J4N3_M3]

funny enough, Tali's always been my femsheps' lil sister xD and now on my first maleshep playthrough with an imported me1 dudeshep I am so going to romance her. I started romancing Miranda and Jack but then dumped both because the romance with Tali is somehow just the sweetest out of all of them. The whole interaction between her and Shep is ubercute and for my Shep it's somehow in canon that his interest wakes up the moment he hugs Tali for the first time during her loyalty mission. I just like that scene and everything that follows.

[Sand King]

Optimystic_X wrote...

It's probably only in her mission because she's the only one with a dead father in her mission.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of Tali either, but the blind hate gets ridiculous sometimes.

(And if you mention Grunt I'll reach through the internet and thwack you.)

Garrus had his whole team die on him and was betrayed, Jack went back to where see was abused as a child, Miranda was betrayed by Niket(and he can also be killed),etc. So don't act like Tali is the only character that has pain and suffering in the story.

[SonofMacPhisto]

Esbatty wrote...

Nearly each loyalty mission has a real gut punch to it... while ditching the refinery crew to a screaming, fiery death you understand the world Zaeed lives in. Everyone dies around him. Everyone but the bastard who took what he built from him. So his line "Rage is a powerful anathestic" is just fricken chilling to the bone. At that moment he went from being "The free DLC character" to big guddamn hero.

Kasumi too had those touching moments reliving the memories of being with Keiji while she interacted with his graybox. You understand they're close but it really hits home he was more than just friend and partner in crime.

Garrus is the king sh*t of f*ck mountain, just so cool and confident, and gives you that line "if I wanted you dead you'd be dead". That is just phenomenal, the delivery that goes from jocular to serious. That is why my femshep goes for him and he was just my bro in the first game.

Mordin's mission was just so damn sad and grusome. You feel for the Krogans that just want to be themselves, yet being themselves might fracture the universe as we know it. The corpse of the female Krogan, the captured scout resigned to being a lab rat, and Mordin's student who sees the plight of the Krogans and wants to do the right thing no matter the cost. That coupled with those Krogans in the hallway talking about seeing one of their kids in the camp... just break your heart.

Thane and Samara's loyalty missions don't do much for me, its their recruit coupled with interactions with me on the ship that sell me on them, not so much wrangling their progeny.

Legion's missions happen so quickly towards the end of the game, the way I play, he doesn't have such a significant impact on me, so I guess I gotta sack my crew to enjoy him to have an opinion on him.

Grunt is just EPIC in game version of Horde mode. Just wave after wave of diabolic creatures and baddies. I love taking Zaeed with me on this, its just guys shooting the living hell outta EVERYTHING that moves. You get to see Grunt enjoy himself, my special little guy. I wanna give him a big, heterosexual hug. While holding active gernades.

Jack's loyalty mission is great closure for her character, recruiting her is so much more action packed and F*ck Yeah! But to see her finally get to confront her past. Its solid writing.

Jacob and Miranda's missions just have those ending twists, Miri's friend didn't betray her for the wrong reason... and Jacob's dad is power-crazed douche. So they're kinda 'meh'.

And as for Tali. Tali brings that courtroom drama I dig from watching way too much Law and Order SVU and Criminal Intent. While I dig Tali, but not to any "mancer" levels, her loyalty mission lies somewhere between the emotion of Jack's and the moral/cultural exploration of Mordin's.

Hmm, before I typed this out I woulda said Tali's was my favorite but I'm torn between Mordin and Garrus' loyalty missions. Nostalgia versus Heartbreak. Interesting.

You're pretty much on par with how I feel about the missions, too.  The only real difference is MIranda's mission, and it's probably because I have a sister I really care about, so having her speak to her at the end was great.  The conversation you have with Miranda after the mission really fleshes out her character, and helps you realize, 'There's a person under there.'  I also find the combat to be really fun, especially bringing Garrus along.

With Legion, and I can't emphazise this enough, do yourself a favor and pick it up early.  Or at least, watch the entire conversation tree on YouTube.  The geth are a serious mind-f***, and I can't wait to see how it resolves in ME3.

EDIT: *facepalm* How could I forget the glory of bringing Legion along on Tali's loyalty mission?  Good times.

Modifié par SonofMacPhisto, 29 août 2010 - 05:55 .

[Voutsis1982]

"She looks so damn happy. She'll never see the Migrant Fleet again."

That comment from a Quarian bystander surprised me when I first heard it. I guess Quarian vision is in a color spectrum not obscured by fuchsia visors. Also it hints that part of Tali maybe wanted to be exiled. "I could never abandon my people", she tells us in ME1, but being exiled - for something she didn't do - gives her the excuse to escape those responsibilities. I'm not saying it was her only reason or main reason, just that it was something there in the background, one of the devils on her shoulder. It's a little bit of selfishness from a character who is largely defined by selflessness, and it's welcome. That's why I usually choose listening to Tali's venting dialogue over hugging her.

I don't have a favorite reply in the trial, though. The sentimental chump in me would have liked the Renegade/Paragon railing to be squeezed into the Rally the Crowd option, which would only be available if you helped every goddamn Quarian in the game, which in turn would only be possible when you have Tali with you. Basically you'd have to really work for your Have-Your-Cake-and-Eat-it-Too option. But that would have probably been a little too It's a Wonderful Life.

[KainrycKarr]

Sand King wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

It's probably only in her mission because she's the only one with a dead father in her mission.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of Tali either, but the blind hate gets ridiculous sometimes.

(And if you mention Grunt I'll reach through the internet and thwack you.)

Garrus had his whole team die on him and was betrayed, Jack went back to where see was abused as a child, Miranda was betrayed by Niket(and he can also be killed),etc. So don't act like Tali is the only character that has pain and suffering in the story.

He didn't. He said she's the only one with a dead father in her mission.

[KainrycKarr]

NICKjnp wrote...

There is more that one time you have to touch Tali during her loyalty mission.  The other times are at the hearing.  You don't get an option to not touch her there.
Side-note:  I wish the paragon interup was like Zaeed's paragon interupt. 

Really? Where? Because i don't recall this.

[_purifico_]

Tali loyalty mission = The GREATEST frakkin'
moment in the series

No, it's not.

[Christmas Ape]

_purifico_ wrote...

Tali loyalty mission = The GREATEST frakkin' moment in the series

No, it's not.

Good contribution.

[NuclearBuddha]

KainrycKarr wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
There is more that one time you have to touch Tali during her loyalty mission.  The other times are at the hearing.  You don't get an option to not touch her there.
Side-note:  I wish the paragon interup was like Zaeed's paragon interupt. 

Really? Where? Because i don't recall this.

Maybe he's talking about the discussion on the Alarei about homeworlds.  If you take the paragon option, Shep sorta tries to put a hand on her arm  to calm her down or something.  It makes more sense when you see it.

But in this instance, mostly you're just being jerked around I think.

[iNixiRir]

Voutsis1982 wrote...

"She looks so damn happy. She'll never see the Migrant Fleet again."

Hmm, never heard that line.

I loved Tali's mission, same as all the others actually. I care for my squad and I think they are all awesome once you get to know them. 

[PsyrenY]

Sand King wrote...

Garrus had his whole team die on him and was betrayed, Jack went back to where see was abused as a child, Miranda was betrayed by Niket(and he can also be killed),etc. So don't act like Tali is the only character that has pain and suffering in the story.

(1) and (2) happened pre-loyalty, so the characters have had time to deal with those. Tali was hit in the gut DURING the mission. As for Niket, are you really equating a random childhood friend's death to a parent's? Hey, guess which one your employer will give you bereavement leave for.

[gi0m]

Mordin's mission bored me as hell.
Same dialogue goes on and on for half an hour.
Begin the mission: Mordin, you're a murderer.
_No! Necessary. Didn't kill anyone.

Few minutes later:
_Ah experiments on human! Horrible
_But you killed people too.
_No! Not a murderer! Genophage didn't kill.

Yet another cut scene:
ah, dead hrogan, what a waste.
_But krogan died with the genophage
_No genophage didn't kill
_Still you got remorse
_No, not a murderer!

End scene:
_Have to kill you!
_No Mordin, you're not a murderer
_Ah, yes, indeed! gee, thanks Shep.

END.


Tali's mission was the thing that made me liek her. Didn't really paid attention to her but during this mission I really felt sorry for her, when she found her father, when she begged not to tell about the truth, and when I ****en rallied the crowd. Epic speech was epic.

Modifié par gi0m, 30 août 2010 - 04:26 .

[Renaikan]

Tali's loyality mission is one of the best in ME2. I enjoyed it.

[PrinceLionheart]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Sand King wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

It's probably only in her mission because she's the only one with a dead father in her mission.

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of Tali either, but the blind hate gets ridiculous sometimes.

(And if you mention Grunt I'll reach through the internet and thwack you.)

Garrus had his whole team die on him and was betrayed, Jack went back to where see was abused as a child, Miranda was betrayed by Niket(and he can also be killed),etc. So don't act like Tali is the only character that has pain and suffering in the story.

He didn't. He said she's the only one with a dead father in her mission.

Which is also false if you leave Jacob's father to die.

[PrinceLionheart]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Sand King wrote...

Garrus had his whole team die on him and was betrayed, Jack went back to where see was abused as a child, Miranda was betrayed by Niket(and he can also be killed),etc. So don't act like Tali is the only character that has pain and suffering in the story.

(1) and (2) happened pre-loyalty, so the characters have had time to deal with those. Tali was hit in the gut DURING the mission. As for Niket, are you really equating a random childhood friend's death to a parent's? Hey, guess which one your employer will give you bereavement leave for.

If said Random Childhood friend is considered one of the only people in her life she has ANY trust in what so ever, than yes, it is comparable.