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[NuclearBuddha]

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Which is also false if you leave Jacob's father to die.

Sure, but it's not like Jacob was very attached to his father.  Heck, he thought his dad was already dead.

Also:

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Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 31 août 2010 - 05:18 .

[Water Dumple]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Which is also false if you leave Jacob's father to die.

Sure, but it's not like Jacob was very attached to his father.  Heck, he thought his dad was already dead.

This is a large reason why it's hard to get any of the sense of injustice you're supposed to feel during of Jacob's mission: The character you went to help doesn't even care. I made a poll for this out of curiosity, and currently Jacob's loyalty mission is considered the worst. I personally disagree about it being the worst, but if Jacob had experienced more of a struggle with his father about morality rather than just an argument, I suspect both the mission and character would be far more popular.

[PrinceLionheart]

Water Dumple wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Which is also false if you leave Jacob's father to die.

Sure, but it's not like Jacob was very attached to his father.  Heck, he thought his dad was already dead.

 
This is a large reason why it's hard to get any of the sense of injustice you're supposed to feel during of Jacob's mission: The character you went to help doesn't even care. I made a poll for this out of curiosity, and currently Jacob's loyalty mission is considered the worst. I personally disagree about it being the worst, but if Jacob had experienced more of a struggle with his father about morality rather than just an argument, I suspect both the mission and character would be far more popular.

I dunno, I'm not bashing your poll, but from the results I get a feeling it's already slanted because people are letting their bias against Jacob affect their votes/. Exactly how Jacob's, which to the very least had a well written story, got more votes than Grunt's (which was simply an "arena battle") is beyond me.

[xlavaina]

I actually agree with you on this. But I think Grunt's lost to Jacob because in Grunt's you got to headbutt a Krogan.



Anyway we're getting off topic.

[Water Dumple]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
Which is also false if you leave Jacob's father to die.

Sure, but it's not like Jacob was very attached to his father.  Heck, he thought his dad was already dead.

 
This is a large reason why it's hard to get any of the sense of injustice you're supposed to feel during of Jacob's mission: The character you went to help doesn't even care. I made a poll for this out of curiosity, and currently Jacob's loyalty mission is considered the worst. I personally disagree about it being the worst, but if Jacob had experienced more of a struggle with his father about morality rather than just an argument, I suspect both the mission and character would be far more popular.

I dunno, I'm not bashing your poll, but from the results I get a feeling it's already slanted because people are letting their bias against Jacob affect their votes/. Exactly how Jacob's, which to the very least had a well written story, got more votes than Grunt's (which was simply an "arena battle") is beyond me.

I made a general attempt to note that votes shouldn't be about character preference, but that was clearly ineffective. Definitely wound up slanted. In my case, the loyalty missions themselves had a large impact on how much I liked the character, not the other way around.

[JnEricsonx]

Pacifien wrote...

Sand King wrote...
Q:  Tali loyalty mission = The GREATEST frakkin' moment in the series
A:  No

I'm still going with Sovereign's "You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it."

Shepard:  And I demand....you GO TO HELL.  :::automatic Cain fire:::(I can dream of a automatic Cain, right?)

[MrnDvlDg161]

Don't know if it was the greatest --- but it was one of the more less shady ones with a positive meaning behind it most certainly if not one of the better written ones as well.

[Redcoat]

I'm not sure it was the height of the series, but it was definitely one of the better loyalty missions. My only complaint is that the ULB/LLR responses were simply too easy an out, especially when the paragon response is little more than, "Tali is awesome, don't convict her." I think it would have been better if the game had forced you to make the sadistic choice - withold the evidence, get Tali exiled, or hand over the evidence and destroy her father's reputation.

The worst loyalty mission, in my opinion, was Miranda's, although I'm obviously biased in this regard since I hated her character. Throughout the mission I was reminded of an Icelandic saying, "a story told by one is only half a story." I began wondering if Miranda's father were really as horrible as she claims, especially when we never meet him in person and only have Miranda's word to go on. It honestly felt more like she was taking Oriana away more to get back at her father than any concern for her sister.

Jacob's was intriguing, in that it had a rather Heart of Darkness feel to it. But it was sabotaged by the Jacob's lack of response to what his father has become. He sounds more annoyed than outraged.

Samara's reminded of some sort of sci-fi CSI, complete with Shepard discovering one of Morinth's victims, saying "it looks like he just came and went at the same time" before putting on the shades.